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Change of S defines the velocity of natural motion?

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Change of S defines the velocity of natural motion?
« on: 28/05/2017 18:49:21 »
Newtons law states that  an object in motion will remain in motion unless acted upon by an external force.

To extend on this law I would like to add :  An object in motion will remain in motion unless the entropy (S) of the object in motion  remains unchanged.

ΔS=Δv
Δv=ΔS


Where (S) is entropy and (v) is velocity.

There is a fact that likewise charges repel and opposing charges attract, if a body in motion was to change in its  present state of entropy whilst in motion, the electro-dynamics of a moving body would have affect on the velocity of the body relative to other bodies state of entropy.



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  • Re: Change of S defines the velocity of natural motion?
    « Reply #1 on: 28/05/2017 21:07:12 »
    Quote from: Thebox on 28/05/2017 18:49:21
    Newtons law states that  an object in motion will remain in motion unless acted upon by an external force.
    Its understood that the object is a closed system and as such it does not expel part of its body such as a gas or radiation.

    Quote from: Thebox on 28/05/2017 18:49:21
    To extend on this law I would like to add :  An object in motion will remain in motion unless the entropy (S) of the object in motion  remains unchanged.
    The entropy of a closed system cannot affect is motion.

    Quote from: Thebox on 28/05/2017 18:49:21
    ΔS=Δv
    Δv=ΔS
    Those expressions are wrong. The units don't even match. Consider the case of a body in space which is cooling off by radiating as a black body. In the first place such a body is not a closed system. Second, such a body won't move even though its entropy is changing.

    Quote from: Thebox on 28/05/2017 18:49:21
    There is a fact that likewise charges repel and opposing charges attract, if a body in motion was to change in its  present state of entropy whilst in motion, the electro-dynamics of a moving body would have affect on the velocity of the body relative to other bodies state of entropy.
    That doesn't make sense. Why would that be true?
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    « Reply #2 on: 29/05/2017 23:53:32 »
    Quote from: PmbPhy on 28/05/2017 21:07:12

    Its understood that the object is a closed system and as such it does not expel part of its body such as a gas or radiation.

    I do not believe that there is any possibility that any object could be a closed system. An object moving away from a light source will gain less light energy than an object travelling towards a light source.  A change in entropy of a body is a continuous process  and not isolated from anything else, objects always share entropy in the form of charge, thermodynamics and radiation or to summon up in one, objects share mass.

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    The entropy of a closed system cannot affect is motion.


    The laws of attraction and repulsion suggest that a change in entropy can affect the objects motion.

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    Those expressions are wrong.

    How can those expressions be wrong?  A change in entropy = change in velocity

    Relatively simple.

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    That doesn't make sense. Why would that be true?

    It would be true for the reason that if either charge  polarity was to increase ,  the attractive potential increases to other bodies opposite charge polarity  and vice versus  likewise charge repulsion.
    In simple terms if we were to increase the magnitude of a magnet, it would affect things at a greater range.  If you can imagine a magnet so powerful it could attract an aeroplane, consider what will happen if the aeroplane flew over the magnet. The aeroplane will take a curved dive path to the ground.



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    « Reply #3 on: 30/05/2017 03:01:57 »
    Quote from: Thebox on 29/05/2017 23:53:32
    I do not believe that there is any possibility that any object could be a closed system.
    Please look up the definition of a closed system in a physics text.

    Quote from: Thebox on 29/05/2017 23:53:32
    An object moving away from a light source will gain less light energy than an object travelling towards a light source.
    And as such that object is not a closed system.

    Quote from: Thebox on 29/05/2017 23:53:32
    The laws of attraction and repulsion suggest that a change in entropy can affect the objects motion.
    That is incorrect. Please explain why you believe that is true and provide a concrete example.

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    How can those expressions be wrong?  A change in entropy = change in velocity
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    They are incorrect. The units of velocity is meters per second whereas the units of entropy is Joules per Kelvin. For your expression to be correct those units would have to be equal. Since they are not then your expression is incorrect. QED.

    Why would you believe that they'd be correct in the first place?

    Relatively simple.

    Quote from: Thebox on 29/05/2017 23:53:32
    It would be true for the reason that if either charge  polarity was to increase ,  the attractive potential increases to other bodies opposite charge polarity  and vice versus  likewise charge repulsion.
    You're still not making sense.
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    « Reply #4 on: 30/05/2017 12:44:37 »
    Quote from: PmbPhy on 30/05/2017 03:01:57
    a closed system in a physics text.
    In thermodynamics, a closed system can exchange energy (as heat or work). Therefore it is not really a closed system.

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    Why would you believe that they'd be correct in the first place?

    I believe it is correct because it is very simple formula similar to F=ma type formula, mass and acceleration are different units but seemingly my maths fails.

    I do not see though how my formula is incorrect , it seems very simple and understandable to me.

    If you can imagine a needle or pin at rest that was near another piece of metal. Let us say a 1cm gap between. Now if the magnetic entropy of the needle changes, it will move towards the metal 1cm away.

    ΔS=Δv

    how is that wrong?

    Broken down further:ΔS=ΔF=Δv

    I think the needle/pin example should help you understand my notion.


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    That is incorrect. Please explain why you believe that is true and provide a concrete example.

    The pin example is a solid example in which you could easily try.

    Congrats as well , just noticed your moderator roll.


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    added- we might be able use a compass


     
     
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    « Reply #5 on: 31/05/2017 02:29:07 »
    Ok , I have been thinking a little more on this, for some reason I drew this picture in which in turn give me further ideas.


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    If our magnetic poles are shifting then there must be  some change in external entropy somewhere in the Universe, in saying somewhere, surely our poles are trying to point the direction out, I ask myself why does the earths magnetic south pole not point at the suns magnetic north pole...... What makes our magnetic south pole , point up? or does the magnetic north pole point down? maybe north is up and south is down?   maybe they point sideways ? 
    I am not sure on this  thought, but I do feel the poles are pointing somewhere the same as the compass needle points.

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    added- If the earth was a compass needle , what is it pointing at?
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