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Re: On Dark Energy being a Centrifugal Force Phenomenon from Rotation
« Reply #40 on: 08/08/2017 02:34:14 »
Quote from: Dubbelosix on 08/08/2017 02:29:07
Well, I beg your pardon, but I don't believe in gravitons and yes, curvature is the underying physical phenomenon responsible for gravity. Gravity is a pseudo force as well, it is in the same group as the centrifugal force, Euler force and coriolis force. Technically-speaking, from first principles, gravity is a pseudo force and these kinds of forces do not require mediators in nature. Pseudo forces are thus so-called, because they are not real forces of nature, like electromagnetism or the strong or weak nuclear forces.

Curved spacetime is a pseudo force, gravity is not. The state of displacement of the 'stuff' which fills 'empty' space is gravity.

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We are on different pages. And that other post was complete nonsense, I don't know how you expected me to get anything from it.

I was trying to get you to understand there is a physical phenomenon underlying the geometrical curved spacetime.
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Re: On Dark Energy being a Centrifugal Force Phenomenon from Rotation
« Reply #41 on: 08/08/2017 02:35:36 »
Quote from: Dubbelosix on 08/08/2017 02:31:20
You talk to me as well, as if I am accepting of the current dark model hypothesis, which I am not. I detest the dark matter hypothesis.

The notion of dark matter as a weakly interacting clump of stuff that travels with the ordinary matter is incorrect. 'Empty' space is filled with 'stuff' which is displaced by ordinary matter. The state of displacement of the 'stuff' is what is referred to geometrically as curved spacetime. The state of displacement of the 'stuff' is gravity.
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Re: On Dark Energy being a Centrifugal Force Phenomenon from Rotation
« Reply #42 on: 08/08/2017 02:38:01 »
Quote from: fthomposon on 08/08/2017 02:35:36
Quote from: Dubbelosix on 08/08/2017 02:31:20
You talk to me as well, as if I am accepting of the current dark model hypothesis, which I am not. I detest the dark matter hypothesis.

The notion of dark matter as a weakly interacting clump of stuff that travels with the ordinary matter is incorrect. 'Empty' space is filled with 'stuff' which is displaced by ordinary matter. The state of displacement of the 'stuff' is what is referred to geometrically as curved spacetime. The state of displacement of the 'stuff' is gravity.


Oh dear, you don't seem to be aware of the equivalence principle. That is, acceleration is the same as gravity, which is the same as curvature. They are all the same phenomenon in relativity, you cannot simply separate them as separate phenomenon like you are attempting to do.


And on that note, good night, please don't spam this out with your own work while I am gone.
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Re: On Dark Energy being a Centrifugal Force Phenomenon from Rotation
« Reply #43 on: 08/08/2017 02:41:45 »
Quote from: Dubbelosix on 08/08/2017 02:38:01
Oh dear, you don't seem to be aware of the equivalence principle. That is, acceleration is the same as gravity, which is the same as curvature. They are all the same phenomenon in relativity, you cannot simply separate them as separate phenomenon like you are attempting to do.

The faster an object moves with respect to the state of the 'stuff' the greater the displacement of the 'stuff' by the object the greater the pressure exerted toward and throughout the object by the displaced 'stuff', which is the same phenomenon as gravity. The Earth displaces the 'stuff'. The 'stuff' pushes back and exerts pressure toward the Earth. The pressure exerted toward and throughout you by the 'stuff' displaced by the Earth pushing back and exerting pressure toward the Earth is the same phenomenon as you accelerating through the 'stuff'.
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Re: On Dark Energy being a Centrifugal Force Phenomenon from Rotation
« Reply #44 on: 08/08/2017 02:49:44 »
Quote from: fthomposon on 08/08/2017 02:41:45
Quote from: Dubbelosix on 08/08/2017 02:38:01
Oh dear, you don't seem to be aware of the equivalence principle. That is, acceleration is the same as gravity, which is the same as curvature. They are all the same phenomenon in relativity, you cannot simply separate them as separate phenomenon like you are attempting to do.

The faster an object moves with respect to the state of the 'stuff' the greater the displacement of the 'stuff' by the object the greater the pressure exerted toward and throughout the object by the displaced 'stuff', which is the same phenomenon as gravity. The Earth displaces the 'stuff'. The 'stuff' pushes back and exerts pressure toward the Earth. The pressure exerted toward and throughout you by the 'stuff' displaced by the Earth pushing back and exerting pressure toward the Earth is the same phenomenon as you accelerating through the 'stuff'.

Yeah, I heard all this displacing nonsense before, and I wasn't convinced when you said it the first time around.

Sakharov posited a gravitational pressure due to zero point fields. Great theorist, but maybe not the best theory and certainly not the simplest. I said gravity, and acceleration and curvature are all the same thing, it is true within weak equivalence but obviously we can generate cases from where we can accelerate something in the absence of a gravitational field. This isn't the point of the weak equivalence though, it was to show that with significant energy, there will be a significant curvature in spacetime and it can be detected. Things in that gravitational field, will also accelerate due to gravity. The entire phenomenon though, is due to curvature. There is no particle required to explain it either.
 

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Re: On Dark Energy being a Centrifugal Force Phenomenon from Rotation
« Reply #45 on: 08/08/2017 02:54:17 »
Quote from: Dubbelosix on 08/08/2017 02:49:44
Sakharov posited a gravitational pressure due to zero point fields. Great theorist, but maybe not the best theory and certainly not the simplest. I said gravity, and acceleration and curvature are all the same thing, it is true within weak equivalence but obviously we can generate cases from where we can accelerate something in the absence of a gravitational field. This isn't the point of the weak equivalence though, it was to show that with significant energy, there will be a significant curvature in spacetime and it can be detected. Things in that gravitational field, will also accelerate due to gravity. The entire phenomenon though, is due to curvature. There is no particle required to explain it either.

With significant energy, there is significant curvature in spacetime and we have detected it.

The Milky Way's dark matter halo appears to be lopsided

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the emerging picture of the dark matter halo of the Milky Way is dominantly lopsided in nature.

The Milky Way's halo is not a clump of dark matter traveling along with the Milky Way. The Milky Way's halo is lopsided due to the ordinary matter in the Milky Way moving through and displacing the superfluid sea, analogous to a submarine moving through and displacing the water.

The state of displacement of the sea is the physical manifestation of the curvature of spacetime. The Milky Way's lopsided halo is curved spacetime.

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Re: On Dark Energy being a Centrifugal Force Phenomenon from Rotation
« Reply #46 on: 08/08/2017 04:03:56 »
If I wanted a reason for universal rotation, my suggestion would be an investigation along these lines:

The rotation of a universe is related to the angular momentum ff44570aca8241914870afbc310cdb85.gif and the magnetic field 9d5ed678fe57bcca610140957afab571.gif. So rotation has possible origin in primordial magnetic fields associated to the universe.
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Re: On Dark Energy being a Centrifugal Force Phenomenon from Rotation
« Reply #47 on: 08/08/2017 04:18:25 »
Quote from: Dubbelosix on 08/08/2017 04:03:56
If I wanted a reason for universal rotation, my suggestion would be an investigation along these lines:

The rotation of a universe is related to the angular momentum ff44570aca8241914870afbc310cdb85.gif and the magnetic field 9d5ed678fe57bcca610140957afab571.gif

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where 48e17114dc9f44ed717479b6ee9dcad0.gif is the classical gyromagnetic ratio. So rotation has possible origin in primordial magnetic fields associated to the universe.

You mean the magnetic fields associated with the Universal rotation caused by the Universal black hole.
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Re: On Dark Energy being a Centrifugal Force Phenomenon from Rotation
« Reply #48 on: 08/08/2017 04:28:44 »
Quote from: fthomposon on 08/08/2017 04:18:25
Quote from: Dubbelosix on 08/08/2017 04:03:56
If I wanted a reason for universal rotation, my suggestion would be an investigation along these lines:

The rotation of a universe is related to the angular momentum ff44570aca8241914870afbc310cdb85.gif and the magnetic field 9d5ed678fe57bcca610140957afab571.gif. So rotation has possible origin in primordial magnetic fields associated to the universe.

You mean the magnetic fields associated with the Universal rotation caused by the Universal black hole.

No, I don't mean that, because there is no need for this ''universal black hole.'' Absolutely no need. A primordial magnetic field to a universe answers it all adequately.
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Re: On Dark Energy being a Centrifugal Force Phenomenon from Rotation
« Reply #49 on: 08/08/2017 04:35:02 »
sorry, they were the wrong equations. I will find the right ones tomorrow, bit pressed for time. But there are relationships that will describe rotation as a magnetic phenomenon

(on second thoughts, they may be the right ones, working from memory right now).
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Re: On Dark Energy being a Centrifugal Force Phenomenon from Rotation
« Reply #50 on: 08/08/2017 04:43:11 »
Quote from: Dubbelosix on 08/08/2017 04:28:44
No, I don't mean that, because there is no need for this ''universal black hole.'' Absolutely no need. A primordial magnetic field to a universe answers it all adequately.

The universal black hole is the cause of it all.
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Re: On Dark Energy being a Centrifugal Force Phenomenon from Rotation
« Reply #51 on: 08/08/2017 12:25:01 »
Dark energy is the exothermic output stemming from the lowering of gravitational potential energy. Its presence is based on energy conservation.

The mass/gravity based output energy is analogous to an electron lowering EM energy and giving off a photon of energy as it lowers potential. This schema also happens with the nuclear forces. This output photon, due to the lowering of force potential, can be used to excite an electron elsewhere, to create what appears to be an anti-EM force affect.

The exothermic out from the lowering of gravitational potential energy impacts other mass to create what appears to be antigravity looking affects, like expansion and rotations. Expansion and the centrifugal force within a rotation creates the same vector as antigravity, even though these are not technically, antigravity. This has to due with energy conservation and follows the same pattern seen in all the other forces of nature. One would expect this to be quantized.
 
   
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Re: On Dark Energy being a Centrifugal Force Phenomenon from Rotation
« Reply #52 on: 09/08/2017 06:36:09 »
Quote from: puppypower on 08/08/2017 12:25:01
Dark energy is the exothermic output stemming from the lowering of gravitational potential energy. Its presence is based on energy conservation.

The mass/gravity based output energy is analogous to an electron lowering EM energy and giving off a photon of energy as it lowers potential. This schema also happens with the nuclear forces. This output photon, due to the lowering of force potential, can be used to excite an electron elsewhere, to create what appears to be an anti-EM force affect.

The exothermic out from the lowering of gravitational potential energy impacts other mass to create what appears to be antigravity looking affects, like expansion and rotations. Expansion and the centrifugal force within a rotation creates the same vector as antigravity, even though these are not technically, antigravity. This has to due with energy conservation and follows the same pattern seen in all the other forces of nature. One would expect this to be quantized.
 
 

Thanked 50+ times I wonder by who. It did not take me long to see how far your crackpottery goes

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Re: On Dark Energy being a Centrifugal Force Phenomenon from Rotation
« Reply #53 on: 09/08/2017 12:22:15 »
Quote from: Dubbelosix on 09/08/2017 06:36:09
Thanked 50+ times I wonder by who. It did not take me long to see how far your crackpottery goes

I thanked him once. This statement would suggest you know all. What causes the electron to move? If you do not know the answer to that you are not qualified to determine how far a persons crackpottery goes. You have an abusive nature that does not belong in science. Trump could probably use another spokesperson of your nature.
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Re: On Dark Energy being a Centrifugal Force Phenomenon from Rotation
« Reply #54 on: 09/08/2017 19:48:20 »
Quote from: GoC on 09/08/2017 12:22:15
Quote from: Dubbelosix on 09/08/2017 06:36:09
Thanked 50+ times I wonder by who. It did not take me long to see how far your crackpottery goes

I thanked him once. This statement would suggest you know all. What causes the electron to move? If you do not know the answer to that you are not qualified to determine how far a persons crackpottery goes. You have an abusive nature that does not belong in science. Trump could probably use another spokesperson of your nature.


I'll have you know, a wall of word salad is a good enough reason as any, to assume the man not has a clue what he speaks of.

I make it my point to read real science articles, I have done so for about 16 years. I know when I encounter someone who actually knows what they are talking about, I do it on a daily basis with scientists from all reaches of the world.
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