[Halc]

---------------Semilatus----- Prec. per rev.---Rev.per century-- Prec. per century
------------------Rectum-------(arc sec)--                                     (arc sec)-       
Mercury--------.55.44------- .1034---------- 414.937---------- 42.9195
Venus----------108.19-------- .0530--------- 162.6016-----------8.6186
Earth-----------149.55.----- .0383 ---------- 100.000----------- 3.8345

That 100 figure can't be right.  Earth goes around only 99.996 times per century since a century on Earth (but not on other planets) is measured by 100 callendar years, not sidereal years which is what should be in this chart.

[Bored chemist]

i believe that Mars or Venus does just that.

You can believe what you like.
But the evidence does not support you.

HE ONLY WAY THAT ANOMALOUS PRECESSION IS ARRIVED/RESOLVED..BY WORKING BACK..

And again.
How did he work back to get the right answer for data that he didn't have?

Go back and read reply #44. Einstein had no way of knowing what the precession rate of the Hulse-Taylor binary would be, yet his equation predicts it accurately. You can't work backwards from data you don't have.

[Bored chemist]

Einstein’s theory of relativity says that, for something moving very fast, such as a satellite, time would seem to move more slowly compared with something standing still on the Earth. Van Flandern has argued that clock rates on GPS satellites should therefore need to be adjusted continuously to keep them synchronised with users on Earth. But they’re not, he told Tom Bethell, a senior editor of The American Spectator magazine and author of The Politically Incorrect Guide to Science. The GPS programmers don’t need relativity. “They have basically blown off Einstein,” Van Flandern said.

The clocks are deliberately set to run at the "wrong" rate when on Earth.
That was carefully set up so that they would run at the right rate when in orbit.
"To compensate for the discrepancy, the frequency standard on board each satellite is given a rate offset prior to launch, making it run slightly slower than the desired frequency on Earth; specifically, at 10.22999999543 MHz instead of 10.23 MHz.[17] Since the atomic clocks on board the GPS satellites are precisely tuned, it makes the system a practical engineering application of the scientific theory of relativity in a real-world environment.[18] Placing atomic clocks on artificial satellites to test Einstein's general theory was proposed by Friedwardt Winterberg in 1955.[19]"
From
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_analysis_for_the_Global_Positioning_System#Special_and_general_relativity

GPS is one of the best known proofs that relativity is right.

[mad aetherist]

Einstein’s theory of relativity says that, for something moving very fast, such as a satellite, time would seem to move more slowly compared with something standing still on the Earth. Van Flandern has argued that clock rates on GPS satellites should therefore need to be adjusted continuously to keep them synchronised with users on Earth. But they’re not, he told Tom Bethell, a senior editor of The American Spectator magazine and author of The Politically Incorrect Guide to Science. The GPS programmers don’t need relativity. “They have basically blown off Einstein,” Van Flandern said.

The clocks are deliberately set to run at the "wrong" rate when on Earth.
That was carefully set up so that they would run at the right rate when in orbit.
"To compensate for the discrepancy, the frequency standard on board each satellite is given a rate offset prior to launch, making it run slightly slower than the desired frequency on Earth; specifically, at 10.22999999543 MHz instead of 10.23 MHz.[17] Since the atomic clocks on board the GPS satellites are precisely tuned, it makes the system a practical engineering application of the scientific theory of relativity in a real-world environment.[18] Placing atomic clocks on artificial satellites to test Einstein's general theory was proposed by Friedwardt Winterberg in 1955.[19]" From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_analysis_for_the_Global_Positioning_System#Special_and_general_relativity
GPS is one of the best known proofs that relativity is right.

Rubbish. It is evidence not proof. It is evidence for an infinite number of postulates, especially for aetherwind & neoLorentz Relativity, but not so much for Einsteinian Relativity. Hatch mentions this. We have been throo all of this before. However i might have changed my tune since then.

What i now reckon is that both Rs are wrong, i reckon that ER correctly includes the slowing of light near mass, ie i am now thinking that Shapiro Delay is correct (but for wrong reasons), & that (1) slowing must affect LC & TD (in addition to the V of the aetherwind affecting gamma & affecting LD & TD (2)).  Einstein's relative-v we know does not work in Lorentz's gamma (see the Twins Contradiction)(it aint a paradox).

This 2nd aspect of LC & TD is what made me invent Photaenos, the cause of em radiation (& the cause of refraction)(& the cause of the double bending of light near the Sun etc).

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

Because it was not there anymore, please show the computations I posted that proved  Einstein’s astronomical computation of the anomalous precession of Mercury  can be translated into simple match equation any high school student can understand. Jsaldeza12 Feb. 22, 2019

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

Sorry, the computations are posted. jsa

[Bored chemist]

Einstein’s theory of relativity says that, for something moving very fast, such as a satellite, time would seem to move more slowly compared with something standing still on the Earth. Van Flandern has argued that clock rates on GPS satellites should therefore need to be adjusted continuously to keep them synchronised with users on Earth. But they’re not, he told Tom Bethell, a senior editor of The American Spectator magazine and author of The Politically Incorrect Guide to Science. The GPS programmers don’t need relativity. “They have basically blown off Einstein,” Van Flandern said.

The clocks are deliberately set to run at the "wrong" rate when on Earth.
That was carefully set up so that they would run at the right rate when in orbit.
"To compensate for the discrepancy, the frequency standard on board each satellite is given a rate offset prior to launch, making it run slightly slower than the desired frequency on Earth; specifically, at 10.22999999543 MHz instead of 10.23 MHz.[17] Since the atomic clocks on board the GPS satellites are precisely tuned, it makes the system a practical engineering application of the scientific theory of relativity in a real-world environment.[18] Placing atomic clocks on artificial satellites to test Einstein's general theory was proposed by Friedwardt Winterberg in 1955.[19]" From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_analysis_for_the_Global_Positioning_System#Special_and_general_relativity
GPS is one of the best known proofs that relativity is right.

Rubbish. It is evidence not proof. It is evidence for an infinite number of postulates, especially for aetherwind & neoLorentz Relativity, but not so much for Einsteinian Relativity. Hatch mentions this. We have been throo all of this before. However i might have changed my tune since then.

What i now reckon is that both Rs are wrong, i reckon that ER correctly includes the slowing of light near mass, ie i am now thinking that Shapiro Delay is correct (but for wrong reasons), & that (1) slowing must affect LC & TD (in addition to the V of the aetherwind affecting gamma & affecting LD & TD (2)).  Einstein's relative-v we know does not work in Lorentz's gamma (see the Twins Contradiction)(it aint a paradox).

This 2nd aspect of LC & TD is what made me invent Photaenos, the cause of em radiation (& the cause of refraction)(& the cause of the double bending of light near the Sun etc).

Given that your view point has been experimentally determined  not to agree with reality,  I suggest that you stop espousing predictions based on it.
Or, to put it another way; we know you are demonstrably wrong; keep quiet

[Kryptid]

especially for aetherwind

Your aetherwind hypothesis makes numerical predictions for time dilation?

[mad aetherist]

especially for aetherwind

Your aetherwind hypothesis makes numerical predictions for time dilation?

Aetherists dont believe in time nor time dilation, or, we do, we believe in a universal time, ie this present instant, & it is universal. And we believe in ticking dilation, not time dilation.

I follow the neoLorentz Relativity of Reg Cahill (in his process physics) & Conrad Ranzan (in his DSSU), which are based on a dynamic aether. Ranzan is a semi-Einsteinologist actually.  They believe in an aether & an aetherwind, & believe that to get gamma for LC & TD (ticking dilation) u insert the velocity of the aetherwind (V) blowing throo the rod or clock into Lorentz's equation for gamma.
This way aetherists can calculate the real or absolute ticking rate (in the preferred frame)(V=00 kmps), & the actual ticking rate, & the perceived ticking rate.

The first hurdle is that u need to know the velocity of the aetherwind.  The background aetherwind blowing throo Earth  blows at say 500 kmps south to north about 20 deg off Earth's spin-axis. And this is modified by aether inflow into Earth where it is annihilated. 

Demjanov using a twin media MMX in 1970 showed that the horizontal component of the aetherwind at Obninsk varied from 140 kmps to 480 kmps during a day.  His 1st order DMMX was about 1000 times as sensitive as the old fashioned 2nd order in-air MMXs. I rate this as the best & cleverest & praps the most important X in history.  Modern laser or maser or etalon etc vacuum MMXs are 3rd order, about 1000 times less sensitive than in-air MMXs, & the modern calibration of these quasi-MMXs is complete krapp, they measure what they think is say 0.1 kmps (which they attribute to systematic noise)(i can show u), but with proper calibration this can be shown to be say 500 kmps (Reg Cahill explains).

Einsteinologists plug the relative V into the equation for gamma, much simpler, but hardly ever accurate enuff in this modern age.

One major problem with both Einsteinologists & aetherists is that Einsteinologists ignore their own GR slowing of light near mass & its effect on LC & TD, & the aetherists dont believe in that there slowing of light near mass.
My own aether theory re the calculation of LC & TD lays in between, i allow for the V of the aetherwind, & i allow for the nearness of mass slowing the speed of light from 1c kmps down to 1c' kmps (but not for GR reasons)(i have my own theory).  But i am still working on how slowing affects the equation for gamma. I think it will be very simple.  I might work it out tomorrow.

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

COMPARE THE SIMPLE MATH COMPUTATION, USING SEMILATUS RECTUM COMPUTATION B TO RELATIVISTIC COMPUTATION PER ANNEX B. SEE THE FIGURES FOR ALL PLANETS. THEY ARE THE SAME AND EXACT.!!IT PROVES THAT THE COMPUTATION OF DR. EINSTEIN IS THAT WAY, WORK BACK. jsa

Quote:Non-sequitur. How does it prove that he worked backwards? Because the comparative figures match perfectly.

[Bored chemist]

COMPARE THE SIMPLE MATH COMPUTATION, USING SEMILATUS RECTUM COMPUTATION B TO RELATIVISTIC COMPUTATION PER ANNEX B. SEE THE FIGURES FOR ALL PLANETS. THEY ARE THE SAME AND EXACT.!!IT PROVES THAT THE COMPUTATION OF DR. EINSTEIN IS THAT WAY, WORK BACK. jsa

Quote:Non-sequitur. How does it prove that he worked backwards? Because the comparative figures match perfectly.

Did it not occur to you that they might match because he's correct?
(It's not the only other explanation, but it's an obvious one)

[Bored chemist]

Aetherists dont believe in time nor time dilation

Well, time dilation is an experimentally demonstrated fact, nd it has been so for decades

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/09/16/hafele-keating-experiment-two-atomic-clocks-flew-twice-around-world-eastward-westward-back-home-showed-different-times/
so what you are saying is that you don't believe in reality.

[Kryptid]

COMPARE THE SIMPLE MATH COMPUTATION, USING SEMILATUS RECTUM COMPUTATION B TO RELATIVISTIC COMPUTATION PER ANNEX B. SEE THE FIGURES FOR ALL PLANETS. THEY ARE THE SAME AND EXACT.!!IT PROVES THAT THE COMPUTATION OF DR. EINSTEIN IS THAT WAY, WORK BACK. jsa

Writing your answer in all caps doesn't make it more correct.

Quote:Non-sequitur. How does it prove that he worked backwards? Because the comparative figures match perfectly.

How does them being a match prove that he worked backwards?

[mad aetherist]

Aetherists dont believe in time nor time dilation

Well, time dilation is an experimentally demonstrated fact, nd it has been so for decades
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/09/16/hafele-keating-experiment-two-atomic-clocks-flew-twice-around-world-eastward-westward-back-home-showed-different-times/so what you are saying is that you don't believe in reality.

There is only one time, it is the present instant, & it is universal. There is no such thing as time, what we have is ticking, & we have ticking dilation of clocks.

Mostly it is only a semantic argument. However i daresay that Einsteinologists might be upset about this, i am thinking that SR & GR dont work if depending on ticking only, i think SR & GR do need time.  I havent looked into that, it would be futile, what with SR & GR being just a mathtrick model, hencely SR & GR are entitled to say what they like within their model, but they are not happy with that, they go one step further & insist that time is real. Idiots.

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

Quoted: "Writing your answer in all caps doesn't make it more correct".
Do translate into simple math equation easily understood by all, that relativistic astronomical computation of  Dr. Einstein how he solved that anomalous precession of Mercury (jsa 2.24.19)

[Kryptid]

Do translate into simple math equation easily understood by all, that relativistic astronomical computation of  Dr. Einstein how he solved that anomalous precession of Mercury (jsa 2.24.19)

You're assuming that such a thing can even be done. The mathematics of relativity are complicated, hardly the kind of thing that can be "easily understood by all". If you can't understand the algebra equation I posted earlier, I don't see how you could ever understand the math of relativity. I don't understand most of it either.

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

Quoted:You're assuming that such a thing can even be done. The mathematics of relativity are complicated, hardly the kind of thing that can be "easily understood by all". If you can't understand the algebra equation I posted earlier, I don't see how you could ever understand the math of relativity. I don't understand most of it either.

Jsaldea12:  I don’t assume. I did it, translate  that complicated astronomical math of relativity into simple algedric equation a high school student can understand. Feb. 24, 2019

[Kryptid]

Jsaldea12:  I don’t assume. I did it, translate  that complicated astronomical math of relativity into simple algedric equation a high school student can understand. Feb. 24, 2019

If you already did it, then why were you asking me to do it?

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

Again, here is the saimple math equation (Please do not delete):
Computation  A   (reference  actual Annex A)                                       
 -------------------------------(arcsec)------------------(arcsec-century)
 -----------Actual--------Prec----- Rev. per-------------GR anomalous-
 ----------Annex A-------per rev-- century--  – .------precession arc/sec/century.
Mercury--36/36—x--- .1035.8 --x- 414.94---=---- ------42.98
Venus --36/67.25 x---..1035.8--- x--162.60- ------------8.6186
Earth---36/92.95  x---.1035.8 -x-100.00= -------------- 3.8345-
Mars---36/141,65 x --.1035.8--x-- 53.191- --------- ---1.3502
Jupiter--36/483.75 x .1035.8--x 8.4317---- ---------- ---.0682-
Saturn-- 36/886.9 x -.1035.8—x- 3.3944------------.----0172-
Uranus--36/1758.36x.1035.8—x-1.1903-- ---------.---- 0037
Neptune -36/2795- x-.1035.8—x-.606---------------.--- 0008-
Pluto -- 36/3655.5 x--.1035.8-- x -.4132  = --- ----------.0004
 
 
Annex  A
                  Planetary comparative distances from sun
                             Distance (mega miles)
                          Perihelion Aphelion            Average                                                                                        .
       Mercury------28.6 --------43.4-----------------36
       Venus --------66.8--------67.7-----------------67.25
       Earth ---------91.4---------94.5----------------92.95
       Mars --------128.4--------154.9--------------141.65
       Jupiter------460.3--------507.2--------------483.75
       Saturn ------837.6-------936.2 --------------886.9
       Uranus----1699.0------1868.0 ------------1758.35
       Neptune--2771.0 --- --2819.0 ------------2795
       Pluto------2756.0 -----4555.0 -------------3655.5

Based on above computation A, anomalous precession of 42.98 arc/sec/cent. is actual, is given and is worked back to the problem, the precession per revolution. This is computed and supplied!!.re- 42.98/ 414.94= .1035.8 This arc/sec per revolution is the missing item!!! Must b supplied. Why? The anomalous precession of 42.98 arc/sec/cent is actual , is unquestionable as all the veteran astronomers of the time adamantly insistEd there is anomalous precession.. Dr. Einstein knew this is not the problem, thus, it appears, he approached  the problem by starting from 42.98!!! and worked back..   How can we be sure this is the correct  relativistic computation., refer to Computation B
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Computation B Based on Semilatus Rectum Annex B

---------------Semilatus----- Prec. per rev.---Rev.per century-- Prec. per century
------------------Rectum-------(arc sec)--                                     (arc sec)-       
Mercury--------.55.44------- .1034---------- 414.937---------- 42.9195
Venus----------108.19-------- .0530--------- 162.6016-----------8.6186
Earth-----------149.55.----- .0383 ---------- 100.000----------- 3.8345
Mars------------225.92----- .0254 -----------53.1915----------- 1.3502
Jupiter---------776.50------ .0074 -------------8.4317----------- .0623
Saturn ------1422.52---------.0040------------3.3944------------ .0137
Uranus ----2863.26------- .0020-------------1.1903--------------.0024
Neptune----4496.23------- .0013-------------.6068------------- .0008
Pluto----------5531.25-------.0010-----------.4032-------------- .0004


Annex B The table for semilatus rectum is not anymore appear in the internet.But whateve is the solution will always be correct. Dr. Einstein did not not do wrong by starting from the solution and work back, the only way the aomalous precession is settled.   jsa 2.28.19

[Kryptid]

How can we be sure this is the correct  relativistic computation., refer to Computation B

You still have yet to explain how this proves that Einstein worked backwards. Please explain it already.