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Re: A gas problem?
« Reply #60 on: 19/02/2018 21:58:13 »
Quote from: Thebox on 19/02/2018 21:39:51
I am hardly going to concentrate on my grammar, on somebody whom may be trolling me. Did u nt no tha it does no mattr ow it is spelt hit cn be undrstud
It isn't the words themselves that are the problem.
It's the fact that you repeatedly misuse them.
You string them together in ways that make no sense.
You say things happen- "the balls radius from the source will increase ,"- without offering any sort of reason why you think  they might.
And then you refuse to explain what you think it means.
Essentially nothing you write makes sense.
It's not that we are troling.
You just write nonsense.
You might think it makes  sense, but it doesn't.

Quote from: Thebox on 19/02/2018 21:51:32
I assume that any scientist would be smart enough to work out exactly what I was saying with my casual relaxed style of posts. 

It isn't "casual" it's nonsense.
We may be scientists, but you seem to think we are mind readers.

Why bother to post dross?
You just waste our time and yours.
Why not take the time to write clearly, that way you might not need to spend so much time failing to explains stuff because you write it uncleanly the second and third time too.

Quote from: Thebox on 19/02/2018 21:54:45
Why would you think that field density does not?
What do you think "field density" means?
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Re: A gas problem?
« Reply #61 on: 19/02/2018 21:59:40 »
Quote from: Thebox on 19/02/2018 21:54:45
Quote from: The Spoon on 19/02/2018 21:46:24
Quote from: Thebox on 19/02/2018 21:39:51
time will slow down as the earths field weakens the more you travel away, then time will start to speed up as you get nearer the sun and the field density increase.  There is of course the eventuality time will be so fast your skin will just flake away and you will feel a horrible burning sensation
This is of course nonsense and betrays a complete misunderstanding of physics if you really believe this.
Or it conveys a better understanding of physics.  Light intensity decreases inversely proportional to the square of the distance.   Why would you think that field density does not?
Your claim that as you get nearer to the sun 'eventuality time will be so fast your skin will just flake away and you will feel a horrible burning sensation' is utter nonsnese and sounds like it was thought up by an 8 year old.
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Re: A gas problem?
« Reply #62 on: 19/02/2018 22:01:52 »
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Quote from: Thebox on 19/02/2018 21:54:45
Quote from: The Spoon on 19/02/2018 21:46:24
Quote from: Thebox on 19/02/2018 21:39:51
time will slow down as the earths field weakens the more you travel away, then time will start to speed up as you get nearer the sun and the field density increase.  There is of course the eventuality time will be so fast your skin will just flake away and you will feel a horrible burning sensation
This is of course nonsense and betrays a complete misunderstanding of physics if you really believe this.
Or it conveys a better understanding of physics.  Light intensity decreases inversely proportional to the square of the distance.   Why would you think that field density does not?
Your claim that as you get nearer to the sun 'eventuality time will be so fast your skin will just flake away and you will feel a horrible burning sensation' is utter nonsnese and sounds like it was thought up by an 8 year old.
So you think , that if you get closer to a ''gas fire'' that is about 5,778 Kelvin's ,  it will not get any warmer?
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Re: A gas problem?
« Reply #63 on: 19/02/2018 22:07:46 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 19/02/2018 21:58:13
What do you think "field density" means?
It means how many different ''parts'' are crammed into one space.    example a   2 cm ²   grid reference [a],    x,y  dimensions

We can fit in the area a 2cm * 2cm square, but if we squash the square making it denser, we can put two 2cm*2cm squares in the same size area.

ok?

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Re: A gas problem?
« Reply #64 on: 19/02/2018 22:15:22 »
In short , density is when the space is ''squeezed out of something''.
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Re: A gas problem?
« Reply #65 on: 19/02/2018 22:20:05 »
Quote from: Thebox on 19/02/2018 22:07:46
We can fit in the area a 2cm * 2cm square, but if we squash the square making it denser, we can put two 2cm*2cm squares in the same size area.

ok?
No.
Not  "OK".
It is nonsense.
It seems we have finally got to what it s that you don't understand (or, at least one thing you don't understand).
You can't squash space in that way.
So, after two pages of nonsense we finally get you to say something clear- and it's wrong.
If you wrote competently, we could have spent the time telling you stuff that's true.
But, once again, your dimwitted refusal to start with the basics, or to explain what you mean  got you nowhere.

Why don't you learn?
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Re: A gas problem?
« Reply #66 on: 19/02/2018 22:22:37 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 19/02/2018 22:20:05
Quote from: Thebox on 19/02/2018 22:07:46
We can fit in the area a 2cm * 2cm square, but if we squash the square making it denser, we can put two 2cm*2cm squares in the same size area.

ok?
No.
Not  "OK".
It is nonsense.
It seems we have finally got to what it s that you don't understand (or, at least one thing you don't understand).
You can't squash space in that way.
So, after two pages of nonsense we finally get you to say something clear- and it's wrong.
If you wrote competently, we could have spent the time telling you stuff that's true.
But, once again, your dimwitted refusal to start with the basics, or to explain what you mean  got you nowhere.

Why don't you learn?

I know you can't squash space, density is taking up space, the less space there is in an object , the more dense that object is.


I take a full tube of smarties and melt them down, put them back in the same tube melted down, I can now fit more smarties in the tube.
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Re: A gas problem?
« Reply #67 on: 19/02/2018 22:25:00 »
Quote from: Thebox on 19/02/2018 22:01:52
Quote from: The Spoon on 19/02/2018 21:59:40
Quote from: Thebox on 19/02/2018 21:54:45
Quote from: The Spoon on 19/02/2018 21:46:24
Quote from: Thebox on 19/02/2018 21:39:51
time will slow down as the earths field weakens the more you travel away, then time will start to speed up as you get nearer the sun and the field density increase.  There is of course the eventuality time will be so fast your skin will just flake away and you will feel a horrible burning sensation
This is of course nonsense and betrays a complete misunderstanding of physics if you really believe this.
Or it conveys a better understanding of physics.  Light intensity decreases inversely proportional to the square of the distance.   Why would you think that field density does not?
Your claim that as you get nearer to the sun 'eventuality time will be so fast your skin will just flake away and you will feel a horrible burning sensation' is utter nonsnese and sounds like it was thought up by an 8 year old.
So you think , that if you get closer to a ''gas fire'' that is about 5,778 Kelvin's ,  it will not get any warmer?
If you think that is what I am implying you are either playing the fool or you are one.

You said as you approach the sun:
'time will slow down as the earths field weakens the more you travel away, then time will start to speed up as you get nearer the sun and the field density increase.  There is of course the eventuality time will be so fast your skin will just flake away and you will feel a horrible burning sensation'
That is just preposterous. Do you really think that if you travel near the sun that time will speed in that way? Do you think that time will speed up so much that the speeding up of time will burn your skin off? If so you are more of an idiot than I thought.
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Re: A gas problem?
« Reply #68 on: 19/02/2018 22:31:52 »
Quote from: The Spoon on 19/02/2018 22:25:00
Quote from: Thebox on 19/02/2018 22:01:52
Quote from: The Spoon on 19/02/2018 21:59:40
Quote from: Thebox on 19/02/2018 21:54:45
Quote from: The Spoon on 19/02/2018 21:46:24
Quote from: Thebox on 19/02/2018 21:39:51
time will slow down as the earths field weakens the more you travel away, then time will start to speed up as you get nearer the sun and the field density increase.  There is of course the eventuality time will be so fast your skin will just flake away and you will feel a horrible burning sensation
This is of course nonsense and betrays a complete misunderstanding of physics if you really believe this.
Or it conveys a better understanding of physics.  Light intensity decreases inversely proportional to the square of the distance.   Why would you think that field density does not?
Your claim that as you get nearer to the sun 'eventuality time will be so fast your skin will just flake away and you will feel a horrible burning sensation' is utter nonsnese and sounds like it was thought up by an 8 year old.
So you think , that if you get closer to a ''gas fire'' that is about 5,778 Kelvin's ,  it will not get any warmer?
If you think that is what I am implying you are either playing the fool or you are one.

You said as you approach the sun:
'time will slow down as the earths field weakens the more you travel away, then time will start to speed up as you get nearer the sun and the field density increase.  There is of course the eventuality time will be so fast your skin will just flake away and you will feel a horrible burning sensation'
That is just preposterous. Do you really think that if you travel near the sun that time will speed in that way? Do you think that time will speed up so much that the speeding up of time will burn your skin off? If so you are more of an idiot than I thought.
Then think me an idiot.     The astronaut, I and you, the ground you walk on, the air that you breathe is time.    The change of matter is a change of time.   On average we live about 88 years, if we were born 1m away from the sun , you would live for a fraction of  a second, time would pass very fast for you, so fast you would have no memory of it.
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Re: A gas problem?
« Reply #69 on: 19/02/2018 22:33:21 »
Quote from: Thebox on 19/02/2018 22:22:37
I take a full tube of smarties and melt them down, put them back in the same tube melted down, I can now fit more smarties in the tube.
So what?
the volume of the smarties was less than the volume of the tube before you melted them and it was still less than the volume of the tube after you recast them.

Quote from: Thebox on 19/02/2018 22:31:52
if we were born 1m away from the sun , you would live for a fraction of  a second,

Are you deliberately muddling up time dilation with simply getting burned up?
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« Reply #70 on: 19/02/2018 22:43:06 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 19/02/2018 22:33:21
the volume of the smarties was less than the volume of the tube before you melted them and it was still less than the volume of the tube after you recast them.
But the new volume of smarties was more dense , less space between molecules and/or atoms.

Quote from: Bored chemist on 19/02/2018 22:33:21
Are you deliberately muddling up time dilation with simply getting burned up?
I am not mixing them up, getting burnt would be an extreme case of time dilation and time speeding up, the cells in your arm for example having a rapid response and burning out.
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Re: A gas problem?
« Reply #71 on: 19/02/2018 22:46:41 »
Try to understand that if you place your hand in a naked flame, it is not the naked flame that is burning, it is you that is burning by the reaction to the flame.
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Re: A gas problem?
« Reply #72 on: 19/02/2018 22:57:44 »
Quote from: Thebox on 19/02/2018 22:43:06
Quote from: Bored chemist on 19/02/2018 22:33:21
the volume of the smarties was less than the volume of the tube before you melted them and it was still less than the volume of the tube after you recast them.
But the new volume of smarties was more dense , less space between molecules and/or atoms.

Quote from: Bored chemist on 19/02/2018 22:33:21
Are you deliberately muddling up time dilation with simply getting burned up?
I am not mixing them up, getting burnt would be an extreme case of time dilation and time speeding up, the cells in your arm for example having a rapid response and burning out.
Oh FFS.
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Re: A gas problem?
« Reply #73 on: 19/02/2018 23:01:05 »
Quote from: The Spoon on 19/02/2018 22:57:44
Quote from: Thebox on 19/02/2018 22:43:06
Quote from: Bored chemist on 19/02/2018 22:33:21
the volume of the smarties was less than the volume of the tube before you melted them and it was still less than the volume of the tube after you recast them.
But the new volume of smarties was more dense , less space between molecules and/or atoms.

Quote from: Bored chemist on 19/02/2018 22:33:21
Are you deliberately muddling up time dilation with simply getting burned up?
I am not mixing them up, getting burnt would be an extreme case of time dilation and time speeding up, the cells in your arm for example having a rapid response and burning out.
Oh FFS.
A very simple experiment I have for you, add some energy to the Caesium atom and see if time speeds up.
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Re: A gas problem?
« Reply #74 on: 19/02/2018 23:08:07 »
I predict that if you were to variate the temperature in an atomic clock, time would speed up and slow down even at relative rest.
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Re: A gas problem?
« Reply #75 on: 20/02/2018 00:12:30 »
Quote from: Thebox on 19/02/2018 22:43:06
getting burnt would be an extreme case of time dilation and time speeding up

Quote from: Thebox on 28/08/2017 18:07:02
there is no time dilation.

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« Reply #76 on: 20/02/2018 00:45:29 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 20/02/2018 00:12:30
Quote from: Thebox on 19/02/2018 22:43:06
getting burnt would be an extreme case of time dilation and time speeding up

Quote from: Thebox on 28/08/2017 18:07:02
there is no time dilation.

 ::)
Then I finally understood the Universe and time

ƒ:Δx = ΔS ∝ Δ f ∝ Δ t
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Re: A gas problem?
« Reply #77 on: 20/02/2018 00:52:01 »
Quote from: Thebox on 20/02/2018 00:45:29
ƒ:Δx = ΔS ∝ Δ f ∝ Δ t

So you are saying that you accept the existence of time dilation now or what?
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« Reply #78 on: 20/02/2018 00:55:57 »
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ƒ:Δx = ΔS ∝ Δ f ∝ Δ t

So you are saying that you accept the existence of time dilation now or what?
Accept it! I have re-written it to be even more accurate, however you have to accept that relativistic time is dependent to mass and occupies absolute space-time.  In simple terms things age relative to the absolute 0 of space-time.


Space -time and absolute ƒ:Δx'→0


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Re: A gas problem?
« Reply #79 on: 20/02/2018 01:03:19 »
When you say "Accept it!", are you telling me to accept time dilation or are you saying that you now accept time dilation?
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