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Are we moving in right direction?
« on: 04/03/2018 15:27:53 »
Are we moving in right direction?
Right from the beginning it is a big question, are we moving in right direction.  It is true that there is strong gravity on this Earth.  But our total research, keeping in mind off the gravity field.  We are taking gravity as a thing, or subject in our research. 

When there is strong gravity field on this Earth, why don't it  influence each and everything.  When Einstein proved that gravity influences light, it is a breaking news. 

Do this gravity influences light in outside only.  Why don’t it influence your  light from the torchlight, light from the electrical bulb and Sun rays entering the Earth gravity field. 

What about particles, our study, our research everything is going in a gravity field only.  Do particles behave  similarly everywhere. 

It is a surprise, how can we take a particle to emit light and the light taking a gravity curve.  Can a particle emit light in off the gravity field.  We are linking this gravity curve to Earth field gravity curve.  But we are forgetting that light from the particle is due to Earth gravity only and there is no gravity or influence by particle.  Even if it exists it is far limited and in case if it exists, Einstein theories ends at that point only.

For that Gravity itself is a big question left by Newton and Einstein.  Unless we take up off the gravity field study, our progress will remain then and there only.

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Re: Are we moving in right direction?
« Reply #1 on: 04/03/2018 15:38:49 »
Quote from: pasala on 04/03/2018 15:27:53
Why don’t it influence your  light from the torchlight, light from the electrical bulb and Sun rays entering the Earth gravity field. 
It does.
The effect is far too small to notice.
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Re: Are we moving in right direction?
« Reply #2 on: 04/03/2018 17:26:37 »
Quote from: pasala on 04/03/2018 15:27:53
Why don’t it influence your  light from the torchlight, light from the electrical bulb and Sun rays entering the Earth gravity field. 
As @Bored chemist says gravitational bending of light here on earth eg from torch is too small to measure because the light is travelling so fast that it hardly drops at all in the distance available.
However sun’s rays entering our gravity field have been see to be redshifted, but the turmoil on the sun’s surface makes it difficult to make an accurate measurement.
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Re: Are we moving in right direction?
« Reply #3 on: 10/03/2018 14:51:24 »
Ok, light from torch is too small to influence and it is very difficult to measure.  Of course, but the Gravity influences torch light to that extent that its weight is increased by several times.  For that when gravity is able to bend our bones why don't we recognise  its influence.  Let us imagine, if it is a EMF, in fact we are immersed in that.  For example some of the animals living in water in the middle of sea takes water as everything and they cannot survive on Earth.

When we switch on a battery cell, we are seeing and recognising the light coming from the torch cell.  Actually few electrons coming from the cell are influencing, in fact it is a disturbance on the outside EMF.  If the force is more, more light.  Few electrons released from the torch moves the EMF and a light ray is developed.  Due to attraction, there is a movement of electrons towards light ray and light spreads upto certain area. 

If we release electrons into open area, freely, electrons moves out unabated and there is no scope for grouping and concentration.   

See, when light passes near gravity, it is being bent but when it enters gravity, what happens.  It increases the existing EMF and more light.  So naturally more gravity, more light.

Please remember only small amount of sun light is entering our Earth's climate but it is simply multiplying due to gravity effect.  In case if there is no climate on Earth than it is a different thing.

We have to recognise this change.

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Re: Are we moving in right direction?
« Reply #4 on: 18/03/2018 05:44:03 »
Ok, If light goes near the strong gravity field it is being bent.  Basic question is if light enters strong gravity field what happens.
This is in fact a basic question yet focuses on important basic theories. 

In my view: 
It is true that gravity is strong on and near the Earth surface and goes on decreasing as we move up.  There fore strong light coming from outside is boosted and strong EMF is developed on Earth's surface.  This will result in destruction of nature on Earth. 

Similar thing is happening in the case of atomic explosion also.
It appears chemist is rather bored now.

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Re: Are we moving in right direction?
« Reply #5 on: 18/03/2018 05:52:17 »
Quote from: pasala on 18/03/2018 05:44:03
In my view: 
It is true that gravity is strong on and near the Earth surface and goes on decreasing as we move up.  There fore strong light coming from outside is boosted and strong EMF is developed on Earth's surface. 
Gravity does not have a focussing or strengthening effect on sunlight. In fact there are many things that reduce the strength of sunlight eg atmospheric particles including clouds, and the angle the sun subtends to the surface.
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Re: Are we moving in right direction?
« Reply #6 on: 18/03/2018 05:55:15 »
Quote from: pasala on 18/03/2018 05:44:03
Ok, If light goes near the strong gravity field it is being bent.  Basic question is if light enters strong gravity field what happens.
This is in fact a basic question yet focuses on important basic theories. 

In my view: 
It is true that gravity is strong on and near the Earth surface and goes on decreasing as we move up.  There fore strong light coming from outside is boosted and strong EMF is developed on Earth's surface.  This will result in destruction of nature on Earth. 

Similar thing is happening in the case of atomic explosion also.
It appears chemist is rather bored now.

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I think you are vastly over-estimating the amount of blueshift an astronomical beam of light would experience as it travels towards the Earth's surface. If the light is strong enough to cause destruction at the Earth's surface, then it was already strong enough to do so without even needing the blueshift.
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Re: Are we moving in right direction?
« Reply #7 on: 18/03/2018 06:52:59 »
Ok, simply i had over estimated, i accept. But what happens if strong light enters Earth's surface.  Mr Colin2B climate is different one and doing different activity .  When it is climate there are  important things to be remembered. 
01  Climate is working like a roof of our house. It gives protection from climatic changes.
02  It also never allows heat to escape that much easily.
03  Since there is stored energy within a house it is very easy to raise temparature.

In my view blue shift is a different experiment and it has no comparison to this.

Ok,  if the strong light enters our Earth's surface, what happens. 

01  In the example, if the house is not having roof, can few sticks or your electronic devises raises temparature throught the house.
02  Small amount of energy released by burning sticks or by electronic devises are being boosted by adding with the stored energy.
03  Suppose if there is no roof, no stored energy and vice versa no climate no stored energy.

Lack of knowledge and experiment on this stored energy, we are missing a lot.

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Re: Are we moving in right direction?
« Reply #8 on: 18/03/2018 09:09:23 »
Quote from: pasala on 18/03/2018 06:52:59
Ok, simply i had over estimated, i accept. But what happens if strong light enters Earth's surface.  Mr Colin2B climate is different one and doing different activity .  When it is climate there are  important things to be remembered. 
01  Climate is working like a roof of our house. It gives protection from climatic changes.
02  It also never allows heat to escape that much easily.
03  Since there is stored energy within a house it is very easy to raise temparature.

In my view blue shift is a different experiment and it has no comparison to this.
Yes, gravity plays no part in the intensity of radiation from the sun. It does however play a part in the way heat is lost from the earth’s surface. Look up adiabatic lapse rate for an explanation.
Heat is also lost through radiation. The climate is quite a complex mechanism and it is important to consider all the parts to understand what is happening.

PS in my last post I used a wrong term, I said angle sun subtends, i should have said angle of inclination of the surface. I woke in the night, couldn’t get back to sleep, brain not at its best  :)
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Re: Are we moving in right direction?
« Reply #9 on: 08/04/2018 15:47:13 »
Mr Colin2B,
It appears, you are serious in your studies, keep it up.  I am not particular about anything and read any thing that ever comes near to me. 

Here, basic question is we are in strong gravity and it is influencing each and everything.  We are studying Newton's gravity, Einstein's relativity.  Basic question is what exactly is pushing the apple.  Suppose if this force is EMF, how can we think that our electronic instruments work without this force.  When you switch  on a torch light, there is already existing strong EMF and it is only additional force that is pushing existing EMF.  Suppose if there is no existing EMF than small amount of energy released by cells has no capacity to give us light and it is of course different thing and we have to invent different instruments that works in off the gravity field. 

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Re: Are we moving in right direction?
« Reply #10 on: 08/04/2018 22:53:38 »
Quote from: pasala on 08/04/2018 15:47:13
Basic question is what exactly is pushing the apple.  Suppose if this force is EMF,
Suppose not.
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