[Yahya (OP)]

As I said, you have failed to look at the infrastructure.

I've had .For a generater 60 Hz for 4 hours I would need 864000 revolutions and a total ratio of 28800:1. I would need 7 gears of ratio 3:1 and an eighth gear of ratio 1:12" the eigth one is for the generator". The generator torque for 20 watt is 0.05 N-m then input gear torque "first gear "would be:
0.05*28800=1440 N-m if the first gear is 1 meters radius I would need 1440 N force on the second's gear teeth.

[Bored chemist]

You want to to store 20W for 4 hrs.
80 watt hours or about a penny's worth of electricity.
How much will the gears cost?

[Yahya (OP)]

I don't need to use 1 m radius gear but I don't know its price.
If the gear is 0.1 meter radius the force on the teeth would be 14400 N but I don't know how wide the gear should to bear the shear force perhaps only 3 cm ? Also each gear moving from side to side will not leave the nearby gear suddenly it will leave after touching the other nearby gear on the other side reducing witdth needed for gears, but in fact I need the first gears to be bigger but not all the gears perhaps only one gear

[Bored chemist]

What is the point of storing so little electricity?

[Yahya (OP)]

What is the point of storing so little electricity?

I don't understand your question but lithium won't be practical for grid scale storage .I could use tonnes and tonnes of carbon nanotube material as it is abundant, another thing using lithium ion batteries with solar panels is more expensive it would need electronic devices for electricity manipulation but I could use a motor to charge the clockwork using solar panels and a generator to generate electricity again , my clockwork with carbon nanotube is for huge grid scale energy storage with solar panels.

[Bored chemist]

I don't understand your question

I'm not surprised, but here we go again

For a generater 60 Hz for 4 hours

The generator torque for 20 watt

So, your calculation shows how to store 20 Watts for 4 hours
That's  80 watt hours of energy or 0.08 kilowatt hours.
My domestic electricity costs about £0.13 per kilowatt hour.

So you are proposing to store £0.0104 worth of electricity

And then you talk about "grid scale".

It's clear that you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Yahya (OP)]

I deleted my post because I think it is not accurate since the cost of gears ,carbon nano tube and solar panels is one time cost only then electricity would be free using the clockwork and the solar panels

[Bored chemist]

I deleted my post because I think it is not accurate since the cost of gears ,carbon nano tube and solar panels is one time cost only then electricity would be free using the clockwork and the solar panels

If you ignore the  one time costs then power from solar panels is free. You don't need the clockwork.

[Yahya (OP)]

I deleted my post because I think it is not accurate since the cost of gears ,carbon nano tube and solar panels is one time cost only then electricity would be free using the clockwork and the solar panels

If you ignore the  one time costs then power from solar panels is free. You don't need the clockwork.

Solar panels alone are not reliable they always need storage at night.For them to replace fuel they need grid scale good storage. There is a need for renewable energy due to dangerous environmental issues

[Bored chemist]

For them to replace fuel they need grid scale good storage.

And how does your proposal to store a penny's worth of electricity help?

[Yahya (OP)]

For them to replace fuel they need grid scale good storage.

And how does your proposal to store a penny's worth of electricity help?

They could build a huge clockwork with huge gears and tonnes of carbon nano tube, carbon nano tube is cheaper for larger amounts cheaper than " 450$ for 1 kg " and it is abundant and my clockwork is more practical also for larger projects.

[Bored chemist]

You have never yet, in any of your posts  explained why your clockwork is anything new.

[syhprum]

One additional complexity about storing energy in stressed carbon fibre nanotubes is one that watch makers recognised 300 years ago is that the rate of release of energy drops of rapidly so the fusee was developed to cope with this problem, it is rather like recovering the energy stored in a capacitor and bulky electronics are required.

[Yahya (OP)]

You have never yet, in any of your posts  explained why your clockwork is anything new.

https://www.asme.org/engineering-topics/articles/nanotechnology/carbon-nanotube-super-springs
Given the promise of CNT springs, it’s easy to imagine ways they could help power a green and efficient future.
If this material has a future then there is not another and efficient way to  use it but my clockwork
just like syhprum added springs  releases energy rapidly

One additional complexity about storing energy in stressed carbon fibre nanotubes is one that watch makers recognised 300 years ago is that the rate of release of energy drops of rapidly so the fusee was developed to cope with this problem, it is rather like recovering the energy stored in a capacitor and bulky electronics are required.

Springs need a tool to make energy release at longer periods

[Bored chemist]

Springs need a tool to make energy release at longer periods

So, you still have yet to understand that you can build a generator with a large torque.
Why is that?
What's the problem  with you?

[Yahya (OP)]

Springs need a tool to make energy release at longer periods

So, you still have yet to understand that you can build a generator with a large torque.
Why is that?
What's the problem  with you?

let me make some calculations:
The generator should be 60 Hz , but at  most the spring could store only say 50 cycles and let say we have at most ratio 1:4 then number of revolutions are :
50*4=200 revolutions , and we have 60 Hz or 60 revolutions per seconds then the energy on spring will be released in about 200/60=3.33 seconds , this is the problem of springs syhprum mentioned but my clockwork " as I mentioned with my calculations" solve such problem making super spring release energy in 4 hours instead of 3.33 seconds

[Bored chemist]

Congratulations; you have just proved why springs are not a good way to do this.

You have never yet, in any of your posts  explained why your clockwork is anything new.

[Yahya (OP)]

Congratulations; you have just proved why springs are not a good way to do this.

You have never yet, in any of your posts  explained why your clockwork is anything new.

my clockwork can achieve large ratios such as 28800:1 I mentioned " this is why I invented it in order to achieve high ratios"applying this ratio to the above calculations will make energy release in 4 hours

[Bored chemist]

my clockwork can achieve large ratios such as 28800:1

So can ordinary clockwork.
You already lost that argument when you failed to understand that a normal clock has a high ratio.

[Yahya (OP)]

my clockwork can achieve large ratios such as 28800:1

So can ordinary clockwork.
You already lost that argument when you failed to understand that a normal clock has a high ratio.

As high as 28800:1 ? and this is for 4 hours only for longer periods the ratio needed is higher .you said efficiency reduces at high ratios. So what about 28800:1 ?