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Re: What application could this clockwork be used for?
« Reply #100 on: 05/08/2018 18:53:48 »
You seem not to understand: your system- because it has a high gear ratio- will be inefficient.
You also seem to have forgotten that someone posted a video of a gearbox with a ratio of millions to one.
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Re: What application could this clockwork be used for?
« Reply #101 on: 05/08/2018 19:02:54 »
if you trace my clockwork motion you find out that it transfers energy from gear to gear in steps avoiding connecting gears directly at once.making it function just as a gearbox of small ratio and making it of high efficiency compared to an ordinary high ratio gearbox
The gearbox posted by Kriptid is different it is for speed reduction however 1000000:1 is impossiple when used the opposite way i.e for speed increment then it becomes inefficient
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Re: What application could this clockwork be used for?
« Reply #102 on: 05/08/2018 19:52:22 »
Quote from: Yahya on 05/08/2018 19:02:54
if you trace my clockwork motion y
You never actually explained properly what the device is or does.
However, stopping + starting thing in steps seldom improves efficiency.
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Re: What application could this clockwork be used for?
« Reply #103 on: 05/08/2018 21:51:36 »
There are better ways of using carbon nanotubes in energy storage devices, flywheels using them are in commercial production.
Why this strange obsession with gear boxes they can only output slightly less power than is imputed to them regardless of ratios
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Re: What application could this clockwork be used for?
« Reply #104 on: 06/08/2018 15:58:24 »
Do you think this idea deserves investment?
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Re: What application could this clockwork be used for?
« Reply #105 on: 06/08/2018 18:30:43 »
Quote from: Yahya on 06/08/2018 15:58:24
Do you think this idea deserves investment?
Read the poll results.
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Re: What application could this clockwork be used for?
« Reply #106 on: 13/09/2018 16:41:16 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 04/08/2018 22:48:26
So, your calculation shows how to store 20 Watts for 4 hours
That's  80 watt hours of energy or 0.08 kilowatt hours.
My domestic electricity costs about £0.13 per kilowatt hour.

So you are proposing to store £0.0104 worth of electricity

And then you talk about "grid scale".

It's clear that you have no idea what you are talking about.
why not applying my clockwork for grid scale usage instead of the small amount? I would need larger gears , springs and much amounts of carbon nanotube which turned out to be cheaper
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Re: What application could this clockwork be used for?
« Reply #107 on: 13/09/2018 20:03:00 »
Quote from: Yahya on 13/09/2018 16:41:16
why not applying my clockwork for grid scale usage instead of the small amount? I would need larger gears , springs and much amounts of carbon nanotube which turned out to be cheaper

WHy bother?
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Re: What application could this clockwork be used for?
« Reply #108 on: 13/09/2018 20:18:19 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 13/09/2018 20:03:00
Quote from: Yahya on 13/09/2018 16:41:16
why not applying my clockwork for grid scale usage instead of the small amount? I would need larger gears , springs and much amounts of carbon nanotube which turned out to be cheaper

WHy bother?
To store billions of solar panel cells energy worldwide
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Re: What application could this clockwork be used for?
« Reply #109 on: 13/09/2018 20:25:47 »
Quote from: Yahya on 13/09/2018 20:18:19
Quote from: Bored chemist on 13/09/2018 20:03:00
Quote from: Yahya on 13/09/2018 16:41:16
why not applying my clockwork for grid scale usage instead of the small amount? I would need larger gears , springs and much amounts of carbon nanotube which turned out to be cheaper

WHy bother?
To store billions of solar panel cells energy worldwide
But we have better ways to do that. For example, we have ways that will store more than £0.0104 worth of electricity.
We could use flywheels.
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Re: What application could this clockwork be used for?
« Reply #110 on: 13/09/2018 20:30:08 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 13/09/2018 20:25:47
Quote from: Yahya on 13/09/2018 20:18:19
Quote from: Bored chemist on 13/09/2018 20:03:00
Quote from: Yahya on 13/09/2018 16:41:16
why not applying my clockwork for grid scale usage instead of the small amount? I would need larger gears , springs and much amounts of carbon nanotube which turned out to be cheaper

WHy bother?
To store billions of solar panel cells energy worldwide
But we have better ways to do that. For example, we have ways that will store more than £0.0104 worth of electricity.
We could use flywheels.
flywheels store energy for a very short period of time "seconds"
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Re: What application could this clockwork be used for?
« Reply #111 on: 13/09/2018 20:33:43 »
Quote from: Yahya on 13/09/2018 20:30:08
flywheels store energy for a very short period of time "seconds"
OK, so you do not understand how flywheels work.
Why not look it up, rather than posting stuff that makes you look silly?
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Re: What application could this clockwork be used for?
« Reply #112 on: 13/09/2018 20:41:18 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 13/09/2018 20:33:43
Quote from: Yahya on 13/09/2018 20:30:08
flywheels store energy for a very short period of time "seconds"
OK, so you do not understand how flywheels work.
Why not look it up, rather than posting stuff that makes you look silly?
It can't store energy for hours could it ?
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Re: What application could this clockwork be used for?
« Reply #113 on: 13/09/2018 20:46:52 »
Quote from: Yahya on 13/09/2018 20:41:18
Quote from: Bored chemist on 13/09/2018 20:33:43
Quote from: Yahya on 13/09/2018 20:30:08
flywheels store energy for a very short period of time "seconds"
OK, so you do not understand how flywheels work.
Why not look it up, rather than posting stuff that makes you look silly?
It can't store energy for hours could it ?
Why not look it up?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrobus
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Re: What application could this clockwork be used for?
« Reply #114 on: 13/09/2018 21:01:23 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 13/09/2018 20:46:52
Quote from: Yahya on 13/09/2018 20:41:18
Quote from: Bored chemist on 13/09/2018 20:33:43
Quote from: Yahya on 13/09/2018 20:30:08
flywheels store energy for a very short period of time "seconds"
OK, so you do not understand how flywheels work.
Why not look it up, rather than posting stuff that makes you look silly?
It can't store energy for hours could it ?
Why not look it up?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrobus

"Fully charged, a gyrobus could typically travel as far as 6 km (3.7 mi) on a level route at speeds of up to 50 to 60 km/h (31 to 37 mph), depending on vehicle batch (load), as top speeds varied from batch to batch"

6 km with speed 50 km/h that is a duration of 7.2 minutes

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Re: What application could this clockwork be used for?
« Reply #115 on: 13/09/2018 21:19:58 »
So, 10 of them could store over an hour's worth- or you could draw off a tenth of the power for over an hour.
How many of your silly little 80 watt hour stores would it take to match that?

Also, it's likely that technology has improved in the intervening 60 or 70 years.
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Re: What application could this clockwork be used for?
« Reply #116 on: 13/09/2018 21:34:23 »
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So, 10 of them could store over an hour's worth- or you could draw off a tenth of the power for over an hour.

you can't multiply the duration of one flywheel using 10 of them because flywheels do not keep energy for longer periods they should release it as soon as they are charged.You can't charge 100 flywheels in the afternoon to be used at night.
you can't multiply duration by using part of the energy
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Re: What application could this clockwork be used for?
« Reply #117 on: 14/09/2018 19:46:22 »
Quote from: Yahya on 13/09/2018 21:34:23
you can't multiply the duration of one flywheel using 10 of them because flywheels do not keep energy for longer periods they should release it as soon as they are charged.You can't charge 100 flywheels in the afternoon to be used at night.
you can't multiply duration by using part of the energy

Why not?
Do you not understand that good bearings and a vacuum chamber will ensure that the flywheel will keep spinning for a long time?
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Re: What application could this clockwork be used for?
« Reply #118 on: 14/09/2018 20:11:42 »
Interesting article about using flywheels for energy storage: https://books.google.com/books?id=WAEAAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA76&lpg=PA76&dq=longest+spinning+flywheel&source=bl&ots=AOJl886SCY&sig=w1vt_vU2N1pQhWU6QRZLFwUaljU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwioo-D9l7vdAhVN-6wKHaJTAmAQ6AEwDnoECAQQAQ#v=snippet&q=36%20hours&f=false

Here's a quote of importance from page 76: "The longest it's spun without power has been about 36 hours."

This was from an issue of Popular Science from 1979. No doubt the technology has improved a lot since then.
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Re: What application could this clockwork be used for?
« Reply #119 on: 14/09/2018 21:07:42 »
In principle an object in vacuum could rotate forever, but in practice when there is friction and the energy is in fact consumed as  the example of the gyrobus it is not more than 6 km , 50 km/h  and 7.2 minutes
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