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No, that's not my argument. I've been searching for the answer for 35 years, because the conflicting answers I continually hear don't make sense. It feels wrong. Can't explain it entirely.This feels right.

Well, that's what the big bang implies.

Highly condensed energy spontaneously erupting into a universe, creating physics in the process. That's the way I interpret it.

Big bang is what I'm quoting. Yes, I've read it. I've heard it countless times as well. Nothing lies beyond the universe.

Which theory are you quoting?

The Big Bang theory has evolved over time.

No one can wrap their head around it. The simple answer is, it's wrong.

Just because you can't wrap your head around the simplicity of the answer, doesn't make it wrong.

The main theory behind the BigBang is redshift. Ranzan's best idea is his explanation of redshift being due to the stretching of photons as they approach mass & the stretching of photons as they recede from mass. Praps the cleverest thing i have ever read. Everyone must read his stuff.

Quote from: andreasva on 27/12/2018 01:47:55No one can wrap their head around it. The simple answer is, it's wrong.Quote from: andreasva on 27/12/2018 00:43:57Just because you can't wrap your head around the simplicity of the answer, doesn't make it wrong. Ironic.

My answer is mathematically flawless. How could it not be? You can not like it, but no one can claim it's wrong.

Of course I can claim it's wrong because the Universe doesn't have a single value. If it does, then show us how it was measured (with physical devices by the way, not logical arguments). If it isn't measurable, then what you have amounts to philosophy, not science.

not logical arguments

As I said, my unit of measure is 1 universe.

The total universe would be completely finite, because |1|=|1|. Clearly our universe is not in the on position, so its numeric value is <|1|.

That position is not a finite value, it is infinite.

A hunk of platinum-irridium doesn't have a single value either, yet it is considered 1kg. The sun doesn't have a single value either, yet it is considered 1 solar mass.

We use objects to compare things to other things all the time. It's all we can do frankly, because there are no static reference points, just theoretical ones. There is only 1 universe, and it is equal to itself.

because x=x, so x must be ∞.

I think we've already tried this over the past several millennia. I prefer logic.

Stephen Hawking explains the concept of negative energy in his book The Theory of Everything (New Millennium 2002): "Two pieces of matter that are close to each other have less [positive] energy than the same two pieces a long way apart, because you have to expend energy to separate them against the gravitational force that is pulling them together," he wrote.Since it takes positive energy to separate the two pieces of matter, gravity must be using negative energy to pull them together. Thus, "the gravitational field has negative energy. In the case of a universe that is approximately uniform in space, one can show that this negative gravitational energy exactly cancels the positive energy represented by the matter. So the total energy of the universe is zero."

I'm introducing a value of Ι1Ι, in describing the whole of the universe.

The universe is >0, and <Ι1Ι.

ΙxΙ=ΙxΙ, so the universe must be ∞.

Space moves outward infinitely towards Ι1Ι, and matter moves inward infinitely towards 0.

We are, by direct observation, infinitely variable.

So which is it? Is it 1, less than 1 or infinite? If you are so invested in math and logic, you should know that those three values are not equal to each other.

I said Ι1Ι, not +1 or -1. Although, it's possible I made a grammatical error or two along the way. 0 is naturally an absolute value. We are neither 0 nor Ι1Ι. We are an infinitely variable analog state.

When was anything infinite every directly observed?

Every analog state we observe is by definition, infinitely variable. We convert analog to digital to better understand it. Mathematically, we developed calculus to handle infinite values. Pi appears to be infinite as well, although we have to make a logical assumption to arrive at that conclusion. Georg Cantor made a career out of infinity. It was his life's work.

|1|, <|1| and infinity are still all different.

You're talking about mathematical concepts, not observations in the physical Universe.

Yes they are, which is why the universe is not |1|.

How about light? That supposedly lasts forever.

Light is also a wave.