[LoneWolf (OP)]

My girlfriend had a health scare last year with cancer. After doing research I decided to put some faraday cloth behind our head board and noticed it removed half of the neighbouring wifi signals. So i bought an emf detector to see what the strength of the radiation is. I put the detector on the cloth and got a reading in the harmful range, so, i got an earthing strap with a crocodile clip and connected the cloth to the plug socket which doubled the reading of the radiation. What is happening here? I would have thought grounding it would suck it away to a reading of zero.

[Bored chemist]

I decided to put some faraday cloth behind our head board

Why?

[LoneWolf (OP)]

Because emf's cause a chemical response in the body. From 1 mobile phone isn't harmful I know but this stuff is now EVERYWHERE. She takes care of herself better than anyone I know and still she had cancer. So I started researching . . . your body can heal itself quite well from emf radiation but you need to be away from it while you're sleeping.

[Bored chemist]

Because emf's cause a chemical response in the body.

Nope.

So I started researching

You need to do better research.
There is no scientific link between EMF and cancer.

[LoneWolf (OP)]

Umm like I said I did my research! By 2050 everyone will have suffered from cancer at some time in their life, so that's the environment. So, can you explain to me why grounding my Faraday cloth doubles its harmful radiation?

[Bored chemist]

So, can you explain to me why grounding my Faraday cloth doubles its harmful radiation?

Best guess is that you set up a resonant system somehow,

By 2050 everyone will have suffered from cancer at some time in their life

Says who?

so that's the environment.

The environment clearly has an effect.
So does increased longevity.
Bu that's no reason to imagine it's anything to do with EMF is it?

[LoneWolf (OP)]

I watched an interview with Barry Trower who worked with emf radiation in the military. He claims there are effects on biology. Today I found a number of podcasts missing from my phone so I redownloaded them, it was about 1GB in total and while they were downloading my arm was tingling. There are effects from microwaves but general science says as long as they don't increase the temperature of the body it should be OK. If my arms tingling it meanselectrical impulses are flowing through my nerves of which I can sense. Dr Karl says its non ironizing radiation but there are other effects which he isn't concerned about. If there are other effects and its EVERYWHERE then reducing your exposure will do no harm if I'm wrong.

[LoneWolf (OP)]

My girlfriend says she sleeps much better since I've put the cloth there. That could be psychosomatic, but if she feels more rested each morning I'm leaving it there. Placebos can have positive effects.

[LoneWolf (OP)]

learly has an effect.
So does increased longevity.
Bu that's no reason to imagine it's anything to do with EMF is it?

I never said it was caused by EMF, its as if you're trying to talk me out of taking health seriously.
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[LoneWolf (OP)]

Can you describe a resonant system?

The plug I used was in a 4 gang extension lead. I'm not sure if its a cheap surge protector (its behind the bed so I can't see ATM). Could that be the cause?

[alancalverd]

50% of the current western population will get cancer. That is the normal, natural incidence. The reason the apparent incidence is increasing is because we all live long enough to get it, and don't die of anything else apart from heart disease, dementia, or pneumonia.By 2050 the life expectancy of babies born that year will be such that almost all of them will express a cancer and about half will die from it. It is the wages of success, not excess.


If you are worried about mobile phoine EMFs, get rid of the phone. The local field of the phone is orders of magnitude larger than all the other manmade sources that civilians are exposed to, including the repeater masts and wifi boxes that everyone makes a fuss about. 

The tingling arm is interesting. Some time ago I chaired a conference on bioeffects of low EMF fields. The only experimental evidence was a squid axon that was stimulated by a mobile phone. It just happened that the axon was a quarter wavelength long and thus resonant!

Not surprising that the military are more concerned with EMF exposure as they work close to radar and very powerful UHF and microwave transmitters, all with big "DO NOT TOUCH" notices, but we are talking kilowatts to megawatts here, not a few microwatts of radio fog or even 5 watts from your beloved handset.

[LoneWolf (OP)]

My girlfriend is 43, I don't consider that to be an old age. What's your problem with me trying to reduce EMF radiation while we're sleeping? Its like you're scared that someone will read this and go mental. It's common sense to reduce anything in your environment that's artificial. Our bodies are designed to cope with some emf from the likes of lightning strikes, granite work tops etc. Most microwaves are on 4 specific wavebands but mostly its 2.4ghz. Just because we can't measure a temperature change doesn't mean its safe. imo. As long as we get restful sleep we should be OK. I'm prepared to be wrong on this because no harm will come from it, but if it is harmful then you risk a premature death. If microwaves are not harmful why do all detectors sound an alarm when the power of the radiation goes above a certain strength?

[Bored chemist]

For most people, it would make more sense to spend the money on a better diet or something (which would improve health) rather than on stuff that just makes conmen richer.

general science says as long as they don't increase the temperature of the body it should be OK

That's not what science did, is it.
Have you heard of epidemiology?

while they were downloading my arm was tingling.

That could be psychosomatic

It's common sense to reduce anything in your environment that's artificial.

So, no crop protection, no medicine, no cooking of food.

The problem with saying "artificial is bad" is that there's nothing more natural than death.

[LoneWolf (OP)]

Pesticides are carcinogenic, atrizine is horrific. We eat mostly organic food, ATM she is making a toastie with home made bread, organic peanut butter and an organic banana. Our grandparents would call organic food, food! Reducing emfs aren't the only thing we're doing, its a multi pronged approach. filtering water, more excersize etc My girlfriend is a qualified health coach but yet she still developed cancer. So back to my opening post: can someone tell me why grounding a Faraday sheet doubles its harmful radiation?

[evan_au]

She takes care of herself better than anyone I know and still she had cancer.

Cancer gains a foothold due to multiple DNA mutations.
- Every cell in your body suffers about 10,000 DNA mutations per day from normal cellular metabolic processes.
- This is without known carcinogens like radiation from granite, cosmic rays, X-Rays, cigarettes, alcohol or oranges.
- ...Let alone any effect of your microwave or mobile phone, which are consistently categorised as "never demonstrated to be carcinogens".

Healthy life processes produce the conditions for cancer to arise.
- In the end, it is death that stops cancer
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_damage_(naturally_occurring)#Types

Can you describe a resonant system?

This is where the inductance and capacitance together oscillate at the frequency of some nearby source of radio frequency energy. This can increase the amplitude of oscillation by a factor of 2-100, at a specific frequency (while reducing the amplitude at all other frequencies).

However, the degree of amplitude increase depends on the "Q-Factor" - effectively whether energy is retained within the resonant system, or leaks out of it.
- High "Q" means high amplitude at one frequency, but only over a very narrow frequency range
- The fact that you were measuring this energy on a meter suggests that a lot of energy was leaking out of the system, so any increase in amplitude would be minimal.
- I think resonance would not be the cause here.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_factor

The plug I used was in a 4 gang extension lead.

I hope that you are in a country which has an earth pin on its power socket (If you listen to Dr Karl then you may be in Australia, which does have an earth pin...)
- I hope that you connected it to the right pin,  or you may have just electrified the wall!

The power line carries a lot of electrical noise, and so connecting the cloth to the power point may have injected noise into the Faraday shield from the mains.

So i bought an emf detector to see what the strength of the radiation is. I put the detector on the cloth and got a reading in the harmful range

Harmful by whose standards?
- Do they document what standard they are using? Please list it in this thread!
- If you connected the cloth to 240V AC, then that is definitely in the harmful range (hopefully the cloth is insulated!!??)
- Do you know what frequency range the EMF detector operates at? In particular, does it pick up 50/60Hz AC power frequencies?

A Faraday shield will reflect away frequencies whose wavelengths are much smaller than the size of the cloth
- Larger wavelengths will just refract around the cloth
- You have to put the cloth between yourself and the source, otherwise you will just be reflecting the radiation back on yourself
- As you note, sources are all around us
- But as others have noted here, the levels in residences are very low (unless you are actually working on a radio transmitter - one navy vessel I visited had lines painted on the deck around high-powered transmitting antennas, marking out the safe distance from each antenna - usually 1 or 2 meters).
 

while they were downloading my arm was tingling

If doing a download makes your arm tingle (almost certainly psychosomatic), I suggest leaving the phone on the desk while it does the download.
- And I suggest that you download over WiFi (very low power, range up to 30m) rather than over the mobile network (with a range of over 1km, the power produced by your phone can reach much higher levels).

[LoneWolf (OP)]

Hi, thanks for reply. I'm in the UK so we have the earth pin in the socket. I'm connecting the fabric to earth via a earth plug and wrist strap I have for fixing computers. The 4 gang extension is behind the headboard and its flex runs across the cloth/headboard. I'm wondering if its picking up the emf from the flex. I still don't understand how its increasing the mW of radiation. It goes up to 300mW, the alarm sounds at ~50mW.

[alancalverd]

That's a lot of RF radiation. Try switching off your organic computer  (especially the display), natural mobile phone, any wireless phones, grass-fed WIFI, vegetarian television, HIFI, any fluorescent or LED lights....in fact anything electrical made since 1960, and see what happens. If it still alarms, pop it inside your hemp microwave (plugged into the wall but switched off!) and see what it measures inside a very good faraday cage.

Cancers can occur at any age, as can being hit by a bus. But obviously the longer you live, the more likely it is that it will happen to you. Whilst 50% of the current population will express a cancer at some time, half of those are either curable  or nonfatal. Interestingly, although we make a lot of fuss about breast and cervical cancer, more men die from cancer than women. And although we make a fuss about prostate cancer, far more men die with it than from it.

100 years ago UK life expectancy was 45 years. Thanks to "artificial" food, pharmaceuticals, electromagnetism, diesel fumes, etc., it has almost doubled from what my "natural" grandparents could expect. But because they were exposed to diphtheria, cholera, tetanus, smallpox, measles, mumps, rubella, tuberculosis, adulterated bread and milk, vegetables grown on animal faeces, coal dust, horse sh1t ankle deep in the streets, and a thousand industrial hazards, few of them lived long enough to get cancer. The outside toilet was a good idea, though.

[LoneWolf (OP)]

I haven't visited this site for a couple of years, I didn't realise it was so fascist, a place were you can't have a broader view on a subject than the majority in here. I followed Dr Chris Smith & Dr Karl religiously for years! Everything you have all said has been said by both Dr's, but I'm entitled to go and do wider research by people who say things that go against the mainstream and from there I can make an informed decision.

[pensador]

i bought an emf detector to see what the strength of the radiation is. I put the detector on the cloth and got a reading in the harmful range, so, i got an earthing strap with a crocodile clip and connected the cloth to the plug socket which doubled the reading of the radiation. What is happening here? I would have thought grounding it would suck it away to a reading of zero.

What kind of instrument did you use to measure the radiation, did it require an electrical connection or not. How are you defining the harmful range. Is the earth point you connected to electrically noisy, can you make another earth point in your house perhaps, to copper plumbing maybe, for the test?

The type of meter and how you connect it, can affect sensitive readings dramatically.

It is unclear in your post if you are trying to detect a radiated EMF from a transmitter mast perhaps, or something putting a high frquency signal on your ground cable. Ground cables have an inductance, which is a high impedance path to high frequency and could cause an elevated reading, for various reasons. 

[alancalverd]

A curious definition of fascism, which is usually associated with The Old Ways and isn't known for espousing logic or helping people identify sources of RF radiation. Difficult to dismiss guys who know about radar, microwaves, ionising radiation, organic chemistry, epidemiology and longevity statisics, and contribute to all sorts of science discussions, as not having a broad view.

Still, I'm a vegetarian, as was Hitler, so there may be some truth in your assertion. We do tend to get a bit dogmatic, at least.