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Communications based on entanglement?
« on: 13/05/2019 15:59:09 »
Dalton has a question about quantum entanglement

Why aren't we looking for advanced communication systems that employ entangled particles and don't suffer from the inverse square law? It has to be nearly impossible to filter out the background noise in RF, whereas it could be very possible to generate wave lengths of light that are not part of a solar spectra and easily separated from the ambient light generated and scattered throughout space (prisms and diffraction grating)

Can any help untangle this one?
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Re: Communications based on entanglement?
« Reply #1 on: 13/05/2019 18:11:26 »
Quote from: Dalton link=topic=76935.msg575081#msg575081 date=1557759549
Why aren't we looking for advanced communication systems that employ entangled particles and don't suffer from the inverse square law? It has to be nearly impossible to filter out the background noise in RF, whereas it could be very possible to generate wave lengths of light that are not part of a solar spectra and easily separated from the ambient light generated and scattered throughout space (prisms and diffraction grating)
Entanglement cannot be used for communication.  If I have two particles separated by a light hour, there is no way to send a message across that light hour with them.
If there is a frequency that cuts through the background noise better, yea sure, they could (as do) send signals at that frequency.  Entanglement has nothing to do with that.
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Re: Communications based on entanglement?
« Reply #2 on: 13/05/2019 18:34:07 »
Quote from: benm on 13/05/2019 15:59:09
... don't suffer from the inverse square law?
We already did.
That's why we use optical fibres for comms.
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Re: Communications based on entanglement?
« Reply #3 on: 14/05/2019 00:29:42 »
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advanced communication systems that employ entangled particles
Entangled particles have already been used for generation and distribution of "unbreakable" encryption keys between two parties.

The strength and the weakness of entangled particles is that they are very "fragile" - any outside disturbance breaks the entanglement.
- If a spy tries to listen in on the entangled particles, it breaks the entanglement. So you know your communication is not secure
- If you try to transmit them over optical fiber (which has been done), any scattering in the fiber breaks the entanglement
- If you try to increase the range of the optical with an optical amplifier, it breaks the entanglement
- If you try to transmit them through the atmosphere (which has been done), any scattering in the air breaks the entanglement
- If you try to transmit them in free space (which has been done), the inverse square law means that most of the entangled photons don't make it to the receiver

So entangled photons are a very fragile communications medium, which means that a optical communication link with a capacity of 1 Gbps for 1,000km (non-entangled) only has a capacity of perhaps 1-10 bits per second of entangled photons - and very limited range (<100km).

But researchers are rapidly improving the quality of entangled-state generators, and working on improved ways to store entangled states (eg for more than microseconds). This will result in regular breaking of old records (eg China has a satellite that communicates with entangled photons); but at this point in time, communication with entangled photons have far less capacity than non-entangled photons.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_network#Quantum_networks_for_communication
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Re: Communications based on entanglement?
« Reply #4 on: 15/05/2019 17:13:13 »
Maybe entanglements is another 'background' :)
A way of 'communication' if you like

But it doesn't communicate inside 'time'
Your 'clock' is yours, and mine is mine.

When we SpaceTime creatures communicate we do it inside 'c'.
And thinking of it I would call that 'meaningful communication'

Because it is.
To us
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Re: Communications based on entanglement?
« Reply #5 on: 15/05/2019 17:17:19 »
If you think that way you have to ask yourself what 'time' is.
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