[duffyd]

confirmed as the fact that Nero was an emperor?

Nothing compares to the return on investment as the Big Board,

Over long periods of time, an S&P 500 index fund has historically produced total returns in the 9–10% range.
Meanwhile, real estate prices tend to outpace inflation, but not by much.
Rule of 72 means that at 10% you double your money in 7.2 years.

The double-slit experiment. ... Most discussions of double-slit experiments with particles refer to Feynman's quote in his lectures: “We choose to examine a phenomenon which is impossible, absolutely impossible, to explain in any classical way, and which has in it the heart of quantum mechanics.Sep 1, 2002
God doesn't play dice.

[CliveG]

There is a book called "The Case for Christ" by Lee Stroebel which deals with the evidence for Christ as if it were a legal matter to prove. He says legally anyone would win a legal case based on the evidence considered admissible.

Yes, he says that.
It may not be true, but he says it anyway.
https://infidels.org/library/modern/jeff_lowder/strobel.html

The one thing you can say with certainty is that half the people in a courtroom are lying. It is the job of the judge and jury to decide which. And a lot depends on presentation, not facts: "He who defends himself has a fool for a client".

My experience is that judges want someone to write their order and their reasons for judgment and if a layman happens to have a lawyer who has connections inside the court (and especially outside the court), the judge does not do his job and dispense justice. And the appeal Courts do not want the status quo upset so they dismiss appeals with one sentence. I have seen many lawyers rip off their own clients. At least when I represented myself, I had an honest lawyer.

When a jury is involved, the selection of the jury and the manipulation of the jury (a la Simpson) can play a big part. As we see on many forums, a fact can be twisted and presented in such a way that it means the opposite of what it should. Most jurors are are emotional and not analytical. One sees that with the historical convictions of blacks in the South.

The only fair and just judgments happen in the afterlife.

[CliveG]

Another definition of evidence and proof that I left out (intentionally). Government declarations. (Authorities are not exempt from lying as we so often find out. Entertaining children is not lying but a form of make-believe.)

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/06/world/jacinda-ardern-easter-bunny-essential-workers-trnd/index.html
You can thank New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, who added the two mythical definitely real characters to the list of essential workers.
"You'll be pleased to know that we consider both the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny to be essential workers," Ardern said at a news conference Monday. "But as you can imagine, at this time, of course, they're going to be potentially quite busy at home with their family as well and their own bunnies."
"So I say to the children of New Zealand, if the Easter Bunny doesn't make it to your household, we have to understand that it's a bit difficult at the moment perhaps for the bunny to get everywhere," Ardern added.

[alancalverd]

But if Santa Claus doesn't make it on time, Donald Trump's entire world view will be shattered. 

[alancalverd]

Bruce Metzger, considered the greatest textual critic of the 20th century said the most confirmed piece of ancient history is that the apostles were certain Christ rose from the dead.

Pity we don't have any first-hand accounts of their discovery, then.

I always assumed that if you can roll a stone in front of a tomb, someone else can roll it away again. That's how we physicists work with engineers.  And in the slightly weird world of medical physics, we are quite used to moving dead bodies from A to B, for all sorts of reasons.

Not that it matters much. J Arthur Findlay (The Rock of Truth) lists 13 other crucified saviour gods, born of virgins, who rose from the dead. I mentioned this to my excellent RE teacher, back in my schooldays. He replied "Indeed, but I'm only paid to teach you about one of them." Good bloke - used to conduct weddings on Saturday morning and referee rugby in the afternoon.

[Bored chemist]

God doesn't play dice.

Nor do unicorns, and for the same reason.

[CliveG]

Smoking and air pollution make people more susceptible to dying from Covid-19. Yet electrosmog is said be absolutely safe. Not according to my experience.

https://magdahavas.com/corona-virus-and-5g-is-there-a-connection/
...March 21, 2020.  Several people have asked me the question that is circulating among EMF experts, “Is there a connection between the outbreak of the Covid-19 and deployment of 5G networks around the world?”
...The best scientific evidence we have is that exposure to electrosmog (non-ionizing radiation from power frequencies to microwaves) impairs the immune system.  This is well documented in the scientific literature.  If your immune system is compromised because of electrosmog or because of certain medications you are taking or because you are elderly or very young you are likely to have a more severe and/or prolonged response to CoVId-19.
...We have evidence that some people have an autonomic nervous system response to microwave radiation.
...We have evidence that some individuals develop rouleau  of their red blood cells.  In other words, their red blood cells instead of repelling each other begin to stick together making the blood more viscous. This could impede oxygen delivery to cells making breathing more laboured.
...Some claim that the CoVic-19  outbreak was more severe in areas that had deployed 5G millimetre waves early and that somehow this radiation is making the virus more infectious or that people are responding to the millimetre waves rather than the virus.  This is a possibility but currently there is no evidence to support this assertion.
 We have evidence that some infectious agents became more virulent following deployment of other parts of the electromagnetic spectrum and an excellent book on this is “The Invisible Rainbow” by Arthur Firstenberg

[CliveG]

God doesn't play dice.

Nor do unicorns, and for the same reason.

And you know because you go out and play with those unicorns. They simply refuse to gamble (they do gambol - right?).

[Bored chemist]

Smoking and air pollution make people more susceptible to dying from Covid-19. Yet electrosmog is said be absolutely safe. Not according to my experience  opinion.

[Bored chemist]

Smoking and air pollution make people more susceptible to dying from Covid-19. Yet electrosmog is said be absolutely safe. Not according to my experience.

https://magdahavas.com/corona-virus-and-5g-is-there-a-connection/
...March 21, 2020.  Several people have asked me the question that is circulating among EMF experts, “Is there a connection between the outbreak of the Covid-19 and deployment of 5G networks around the world?”
...The best scientific evidence we have is that exposure to electrosmog (non-ionizing radiation from power frequencies to microwaves) impairs the immune system.  This is well documented in the scientific literature.  If your immune system is compromised because of electrosmog or because of certain medications you are taking or because you are elderly or very young you are likely to have a more severe and/or prolonged response to CoVId-19.
...We have evidence that some people have an autonomic nervous system response to microwave radiation.
...We have evidence that some individuals develop rouleau  of their red blood cells.  In other words, their red blood cells instead of repelling each other begin to stick together making the blood more viscous. This could impede oxygen delivery to cells making breathing more laboured.
...Some claim that the CoVic-19  outbreak was more severe in areas that had deployed 5G millimetre waves early and that somehow this radiation is making the virus more infectious or that people are responding to the millimetre waves rather than the virus.  This is a possibility but currently there is no evidence to support this assertion.
 We have evidence that some infectious agents became more virulent following deployment of other parts of the electromagnetic spectrum and an excellent book on this is “The Invisible Rainbow” by Arthur Firstenberg

Yes.
And the paper they cite says this (with my emphasis)

"In this review, the impacts of weak RF/MW fields, including cell phone radiation, on various immune functions, both in vitro and in vivo, are discussed. The bulk of available evidence clearly indicates that various shifts in the number and/or activity of immunocompetent cells are possible, however the results are inconsistent. For example, a number of lymphocyte functions have been found to be enhanced and weakened within single experiments based on exposure to similar intensities of MW radiation."

Do you understand what that's saying.

there is no consistent effect.

And that's the paper the people plugging the idea cite as "evidence".

What does that say about the rest of the research?

[CliveG]

confirmed as the fact that Nero was an emperor?

Nothing compares to the return on investment as the Big Board,

Over long periods of time, an S&P 500 index fund has historically produced total returns in the 9–10% range.
Meanwhile, real estate prices tend to outpace inflation, but not by much.
Rule of 72 means that at 10% you double your money in 7.2 years.

The double-slit experiment. ... Most discussions of double-slit experiments with particles refer to Feynman's quote in his lectures: “We choose to examine a phenomenon which is impossible, absolutely impossible, to explain in any classical way, and which has in it the heart of quantum mechanics.Sep 1, 2002
God doesn't play dice.

I do not really have a problem with the dual nature. I visualize particles as a standing quantum wave around a point. Thus the particle is basically a wave and a group of them behave like a regular wave. After all, a sea wave is a collection of water particles.

[CliveG]

Smoking and air pollution make people more susceptible to dying from Covid-19. Yet electrosmog is said be absolutely safe. Not according to my experience.

https://magdahavas.com/corona-virus-and-5g-is-there-a-connection/
...March 21, 2020.  Several people have asked me the question that is circulating among EMF experts, “Is there a connection between the outbreak of the Covid-19 and deployment of 5G networks around the world?”
...The best scientific evidence we have is that exposure to electrosmog (non-ionizing radiation from power frequencies to microwaves) impairs the immune system.  This is well documented in the scientific literature.  If your immune system is compromised because of electrosmog or because of certain medications you are taking or because you are elderly or very young you are likely to have a more severe and/or prolonged response to CoVId-19.
...We have evidence that some people have an autonomic nervous system response to microwave radiation.
...We have evidence that some individuals develop rouleau  of their red blood cells.  In other words, their red blood cells instead of repelling each other begin to stick together making the blood more viscous. This could impede oxygen delivery to cells making breathing more laboured.
...Some claim that the CoVic-19  outbreak was more severe in areas that had deployed 5G millimetre waves early and that somehow this radiation is making the virus more infectious or that people are responding to the millimetre waves rather than the virus.  This is a possibility but currently there is no evidence to support this assertion.
 We have evidence that some infectious agents became more virulent following deployment of other parts of the electromagnetic spectrum and an excellent book on this is “The Invisible Rainbow” by Arthur Firstenberg

Yes.
And the paper they cite says this (with my emphasis)

"In this review, the impacts of weak RF/MW fields, including cell phone radiation, on various immune functions, both in vitro and in vivo, are discussed. The bulk of available evidence clearly indicates that various shifts in the number and/or activity of immunocompetent cells are possible, however the results are inconsistent. For example, a number of lymphocyte functions have been found to be enhanced and weakened within single experiments based on exposure to similar intensities of MW radiation."

Do you understand what that's saying.

there is no consistent effect.

And that's the paper the people plugging the idea cite as "evidence".

What does that say about the rest of the research?

"Inconsistent effects" is not "no effects".

It means there are multiple mechanism at play. After all, we are dealing with tiny effects in a human body.

[duffyd]

Tell me why I am wrong.

I don't know why you are wrong. I'm guessing at willful ignorance. It's not as if you haven't been told the real facts.
Don't you understand that the vaccine prevents many thousands of cases each year (and reduces the impact of tens of thousands more)?
If you don't understand that, you should learn more before you post more.
If you do understand that many cases are prevented, you shouldn't say " influenza continues to defeat every attempt to prevent or cure it"
But, yet you do.

Why is that?
Why do you say stuff that you should know is nonsense?

You make me sigh a lot. Sigh. Why do you persist in trying to prove yourself right and prove others always wrong?

We have flu all the time. Some seasons are worse. The vaccines are only effective for a particular strain which often is not the latest. So what if you prevent some illnesses. The basic statement is that influenza continues to plague humankind in its various forms and science is has not won the battle as it has with other diseases. The age-old technique of isolation (voluntary or by die-off of pockets) is the only technique we have to resist the spread.

For reasons of repetitive antagonism, this user is currently not responding to messages from;
BoredChemist

it has a nice ring to it

[alancalverd]

this user is currently not responding to messages from;BoredChemist

But you just did. Is this another manifestation of the Cretan Conundrum?

[duffyd]

God doesn't play dice.

Nor do unicorns, and for the same reason.

And you know because you go out and play with those unicorns. They simply refuse to gamble (they do gambol - right?).

Talk about a Bible scholar,
"I have no reason to doubt that he existed. As I said much earlier, he was a radical rabbi (addressed by his friends as such) who was killed for causing trouble. Nothing unusual about that, nor was the radical Judaism he preached beyond the very broad span of our ancient traditions."

I was never good at math. How many untruths and errors can you find in this treasure trove of bull? I can't count beyond infinity.

This is fun (i'm a bad boy, Abbott!) watching a brilliant ruse with no where to go.

"the radical Judaism he preached beyond the very broad span of our ancient traditions." That was wonderful. Have you considered writing for a comedy series, Lawrence Welk, Beavis and Butt-Head?
When you try to get over on someone who is familiar with him and what he said and did and preached, be careful or you will prove just how vast your knowledge really is. 

"who was killed for causing trouble. Nothing unusual about that..." Wow. That is heavy. So, He was a naughty boy, and they whacked him. Big deal. (That's why we know his name, his deeds, his words, and that He is worshiped around the world by hundreds of millions including the greatest minds.)
 Nothing unusual, so that's why we know the names of all the other naughty fellas from back in the day and what they said, did, their names and why they too are worshiped by millions. Makes sense.

Therein lies their problemo. They haven't a clue, but they have no doubt their understanding is more than sufficient. They haven't a clue.

[duffyd]

I have no reason to doubt that he existed. As I said much earlier, he was a radical rabbi (addressed by his friends as such) who was killed for causing trouble. Nothing unusual about that, nor was the radical Judaism he preached beyond the very broad span of our ancient traditions."

He's gone from being annoying to causing trouble in 24 hours according to bible scholar. In Jewish law, it was punishable by death to get on somebody's nerves, correct? Then why did Caiaphas, Pilot and Herod and those dudes hesitate to whack him? (Scriptures are amazing. In passing they mention how Herod had been hoping to see Jesus perform a magic trick. He'd heard of him and was excited to meet him.) Why was he presented to them in the first place? "Hey, this guy's an idiot. Kill him." "Okay, you bet." Not.

[duffyd]

What we do know is that these responders don't want to get too close to these events. Why? They reveal a catastrophe unfolding at night thousands of years ago in a remote area that changed the world forever. If you look too closely you can see things impossible to sweep under the rug.
Truth is a strange thing. We pay it lip service because it can tear us in two.

[duffyd]

this user is currently not responding to messages from;BoredChemist

But you just did. Is this another manifestation of the Cretan Conundrum?

You threw away an opportunity to learn some history that shaped mankind more profoundly than any other event. You substituted some vague ideas for truth, pretending you grasped the theme of those events and expected to slip by.
What terrifies you about what took place so long ago that you would feign your knowledge of it? Why toss around a few absurd thoughts in your response instead of learning what actually took place?

[CliveG]

A slow day. I was about to post that an absence of posts from CliveG does not mean an absence of CliveG. Although a sudden departure may mean exactly that.

Just a small comment. My wife's daughter-in-law is a doctor who works at the large public hospitals in Joburg. Bugs seem to circulate a lot. She had been sick with a chest infection for a while and took sick leave three weeks ago to got rid of it. Her husband (my wife's son) now has the infection. Fever, headaches and chest pains. But they have been in lock-down and the family has not left the house for nearly two weeks. If he got it from her, it is a long incubation - typical of Covid. She was tested but it was negative. We wonder if the test was negative. We wonder if she had it and got over it just when she was tested. My wife and I also had fever, headache and tightness of our chests along with fatigue a week ago.

Would it be helpful to have testing that shows that shows one has had the virus and is now over it? Antigens, I think.

SA has about 1,700 cases and 13 deaths. New Zealand has about 1,000 cases and 1 death. These ratios are low. I wonder why.

It cannot be faith in God. SA is religious and NZ is not. 

[duffyd]

A slow day. I was about to post that an absence of posts from CliveG does not mean an absence of CliveG. Although a sudden departure may mean exactly that.

Just a small comment. My wife's daughter-in-law is a doctor who works at the large public hospitals in Joburg. Bugs seem to circulate a lot. She had been sick with a chest infection for a while and took sick leave three weeks ago to got rid of it. Her husband (my wife's son) now has the infection. Fever, headaches and chest pains. But they have been in lock-down and the family has not left the house for nearly two weeks. If he got it from her, it is a long incubation - typical of Covid. She was tested but it was negative. We wonder if the test was negative. We wonder if she had it and got over it just when she was tested. My wife and I also had fever, headache and tightness of our chests along with fatigue a week ago.

Would it be helpful to have testing that shows that shows one has had the virus and is now over it? Antigens, I think.

SA has about 1,700 cases and 13 deaths. New Zealand has about 1,000 cases and 1 death. These ratios are low. I wonder why.

It cannot be faith in God. SA is religious and NZ is not. 

Jesus, help this doctor and her husband who are suffering. I pray they would look to you and find in you the glory and wonder of your love.