[duffyd]

I made a summary for my daughter:

The bottom line is that cell towers are very bad, cell phone use should be minimized and WiFi should not be used unless necessary.

My symptoms. Which varied depending on exposure and time.
Typical radiation values (in peak uW/sqm) are: 3,000 in old house next to tower, 300 next to other towers, 30 when I screen our old house, 2 in suburbia away from a tower, 0.2 in our new house, 0.02 in the country-side and on holiday. The legal limit is 10,000,000 which uses heating as a criteria.

A sharp rise in tinnitus
Noticed that a drop in hearing which got worse with time
Disturbed sleep waking tired scrambled dreams
Memory loss and problems spelling.
Mental confusion.
Skin growths on my forehead.
Clumsiness and dyslexia loss of balance
Four episodes of brief full body convulsions
Hand tremors
Nausea
Headaches
Anxiety and irritability.
Irregular heatbeat at times.
Higher than usual blood pressure.
Peripheral neuropathy in feet and toes.
Frequent diarrhoea
Severe and sharp pain in my right eye socket near my nose
3 metal tooth fillings fractured and broke
Knee replacement healing reversed when exposed
Burning sensation in my right hip where a nerve was being compressed.
Sharp stabbing pain in my side where I have a neuroma and the nerves have no myelin sheath.

My wife had similar symptoms (excepting teeth and knee) but not as bad. However, she had had facial basal cell carcinoma and a melanoma on her chest. She said if her cell phone was next to her at night she would feel unwell.

Our dogs showed depression and hearing loss.

I sympathize, Clive. Same exact things happened to me the day I got married.

[alancalverd]

All signs of ageing. Pity, but that's how Duffy's god designed us.

[duffyd]

All signs of ageing. Pity, but that's how Duffy's god designed us.

Poor baby. Cry for me Argentina. Are you sure you're not at least one other squid who does nothing but stalk people all day? You sound exactly like her. She's the one who freaks if she's not the center of attention 24/7 in every conversation.
Obviously, whenever facts undermine the silliness you perpetuate, you forget your arguments and become 4 years old, just like her.
You'd be wise not to barf nonsense constantly. You could learn a thing or three about GOD and HIS SON. You could become as despised as HE was and rejoice that you are considered worthy to suffer in His name. There's a wonderful sense of accomplishment when attracting that kind of vicious hatred for doing nothing but living a true and pure life.

[CliveG]

Masks. Why does it take so long for old lessons to be re-learned? One reason is that God is taking advantage of arrogance and know-it-all attitudes to spread this virus.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/18/china/great-manchurian-plague-china-hnk-intl/index.html
Wu began post-mortem exams of victims and crucially established that the disease was pneumonic plague and not bubonic (the difference between the forms of plague is the location of infection; in pneumonic plague the infection is in the lungs, in bubonic plague, the lymph nodes). He also heavily recommended the wearing of face masks.
By early 1911, China had mobilized doctors and epidemiologists from across China to converge on Harbin. Wu knew there was a big deadline looming. Chinese New Year was officially January 30 and Wu knew that limiting travel would be almost impossible during the annual migration home for so many Chinese people.
If the infection rate wasn't brought down, then it risked becoming a nationwide epidemic.
The response was sometimes harsh -- any lodging house where an infection appeared was burnt to the ground. But overall Wu's anti-plague measures worked. So-called "sanitary zones," quarantines, lockdowns, isolation, travel restrictions and face masks were all implemented and appear to have brought the infection rate in Harbin down by the end of January.

[CliveG]

All signs of ageing. Pity, but that's how Duffy's god designed us.

You are quite right.

But to age 10 to 20 years in a matter of one to five months? That is the result of an overproduction of reactive oxygen species in all cells which is caused by cell phone microwaves disturbing the calcium ion channels in our cellular membranes.

Cancer can also be thought of as signs of aging. And why are so many younger people getting it? Also heart attacks.

And when three six year old kids die in six months in one school - one cancer, one heart attack and one other old age disease - does that not ring alarm bells? No, because God wants the population reduced. If human kind cannot do it voluntarily then God will impose a harsh solution for the overall good.

God does not do it with malice because those souls return and some get a second chance at a better life in the future. I do not want to be reincarnated into a miserable dystopia.

[CliveG]

I made a summary for my daughter:

The bottom line is that cell towers are very bad, cell phone use should be minimized and WiFi should not be used unless necessary.

My symptoms. Which varied depending on exposure and time.
Typical radiation values (in peak uW/sqm) are: 3,000 in old house next to tower, 300 next to other towers, 30 when I screen our old house, 2 in suburbia away from a tower, 0.2 in our new house, 0.02 in the country-side and on holiday. The legal limit is 10,000,000 which uses heating as a criteria.

A sharp rise in tinnitus
Noticed that a drop in hearing which got worse with time
Disturbed sleep waking tired scrambled dreams
Memory loss and problems spelling.
Mental confusion.
Skin growths on my forehead.
Clumsiness and dyslexia loss of balance
Four episodes of brief full body convulsions
Hand tremors
Nausea
Headaches
Anxiety and irritability.
Irregular heatbeat at times.
Higher than usual blood pressure.
Peripheral neuropathy in feet and toes.
Frequent diarrhoea
Severe and sharp pain in my right eye socket near my nose
3 metal tooth fillings fractured and broke
Knee replacement healing reversed when exposed
Burning sensation in my right hip where a nerve was being compressed.
Sharp stabbing pain in my side where I have a neuroma and the nerves have no myelin sheath.

My wife had similar symptoms (excepting teeth and knee) but not as bad. However, she had had facial basal cell carcinoma and a melanoma on her chest. She said if her cell phone was next to her at night she would feel unwell.

Our dogs showed depression and hearing loss.

I sympathize, Clive. Same exact things happened to me the day I got married.

So it is my punishment for having been married seven times, is it? 

[Bored chemist]

Masks. Why does it take so long for old lessons to be re-learned? One reason is that God is taking advantage of arrogance and know-it-all attitudes to spread this virus.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/18/china/great-manchurian-plague-china-hnk-intl/index.html
Wu began post-mortem exams of victims and crucially established that the disease was pneumonic plague and not bubonic (the difference between the forms of plague is the location of infection; in pneumonic plague the infection is in the lungs, in bubonic plague, the lymph nodes). He also heavily recommended the wearing of face masks.
By early 1911, China had mobilized doctors and epidemiologists from across China to converge on Harbin. Wu knew there was a big deadline looming. Chinese New Year was officially January 30 and Wu knew that limiting travel would be almost impossible during the annual migration home for so many Chinese people.
If the infection rate wasn't brought down, then it risked becoming a nationwide epidemic.
The response was sometimes harsh -- any lodging house where an infection appeared was burnt to the ground. But overall Wu's anti-plague measures worked. So-called "sanitary zones," quarantines, lockdowns, isolation, travel restrictions and face masks were all implemented and appear to have brought the infection rate in Harbin down by the end of January.

You forgot to include evidence that the masks worked.
You also forgot to  include anything really related to the topic.

[Bored chemist]

That is the result of an overproduction of reactive oxygen species in all cells which is caused by cell phone microwaves disturbing the calcium ion channels in our cellular membranes.

Then it has happened to all of us.
Except it hasn't.
So we know you are wrong.

Why post stuff that's clearly wrong?

And when three six year old kids die in six months in one school - one cancer, one heart attack and one other old age disease - does that not ring alarm bells?

No
Three kids with the same condition might.
Three with three different conditions is a coincidence and your confirmation bias is trying to read something into it.

[CliveG]

I want to get onto what the world will be like after the pandemic, as well as when the pandemic will be over, and whether a new pandemic or disaster will strike.

Should we start a new thread, or take it that our speculations will be proof that God exists? I say that God exists and wants a serious reduction in world population but also that God wants society to change to be more spiritual and cooperative. I say that the death and disruption will only stop when the aims are achieved. So if I am right, then can we take that as proof of God?

I am also curious as to whether the "improvements" suggested by atheists are better that those suggested by the theists.

A simple example. The finance section should be regulated to stop traders from doing things that add no value or do no service. High frequency trading for example.

Others could be. Universal health care. Safety nets for the poor. Allowing euthanasia. More transparency in who owns the debt and the wealth.

[CliveG]

That is the result of an overproduction of reactive oxygen species in all cells which is caused by cell phone microwaves disturbing the calcium ion channels in our cellular membranes.

Then it has happened to all of us.
Except it hasn't.
So we know you are wrong.

Why post stuff that's clearly wrong?

So all of us have been subjected to 3,000 uW/sqm 24 hours a day for five months? No, and so you are clearly wrong.

Most of us are being subjected to about 2 uW/sqm all the time meaning that it will take 10 to 20 years for the effects to become noticeable. A 20 year old may, in 20 years, have symptoms of a 70 year old.

Some of us next to towers will have earlier symptoms and some of us will have residential WiFi and cell phone use cause earlier symptoms.

Many of the affected may die due to corona virus. Remember the relationship between age and death?

[CliveG]

Masks. Why does it take so long for old lessons to be re-learned? One reason is that God is taking advantage of arrogance and know-it-all attitudes to spread this virus.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/18/china/great-manchurian-plague-china-hnk-intl/index.html
Wu began post-mortem exams of victims and crucially established that the disease was pneumonic plague and not bubonic (the difference between the forms of plague is the location of infection; in pneumonic plague the infection is in the lungs, in bubonic plague, the lymph nodes). He also heavily recommended the wearing of face masks.
By early 1911, China had mobilized doctors and epidemiologists from across China to converge on Harbin. Wu knew there was a big deadline looming. Chinese New Year was officially January 30 and Wu knew that limiting travel would be almost impossible during the annual migration home for so many Chinese people.
If the infection rate wasn't brought down, then it risked becoming a nationwide epidemic.
The response was sometimes harsh -- any lodging house where an infection appeared was burnt to the ground. But overall Wu's anti-plague measures worked. So-called "sanitary zones," quarantines, lockdowns, isolation, travel restrictions and face masks were all implemented and appear to have brought the infection rate in Harbin down by the end of January.

You forgot to include evidence that the masks worked.
You also forgot to  include anything really related to the topic.

You claim to be the scientist. Show me the testing that has been performed by modern scientists. Surely with all the predictions of a pandemic (especially respiratory ones) that the efficacy of masks would be well documented.

Arrogance of the medical fraternity relegates old methods to the trash can and not worth studying, is my opinion. Just as they threw out silver as an antimicrobial for so many years.

[CliveG]

From the 1991 plague article above:

If the quarantined didn't show symptoms within five-to-10 days they were released with a wire wristband fastened with a lead seal stating they were plague free.

Wow and Russia now uses a digital passport.

[Bored chemist]

Show me the testing that has been performed by modern scientists.

Was that intended to be some sort of difficult challenge?
https://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrpdf/rr619.pdf

Or were you just  to damned lazy to google it?

Just as they threw out silver as an antimicrobial for so many years.

During which years do you think  silver was not used as an antimicrobial?

There were, of course, times when better ones were more popular for most infections.

[CliveG]

Evidence for God (and Christ). If this is a forgery, it is remarkable. What impresses me is the photographic negative effect. Did God have a hand in manipulating the forgery?

https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/shroud-of-turin-mystery-italy/index.html
Ever since the 1988 pronouncement, the Shroud -- or the Sindone, as it's called in Italy -- has continued to draw people to Turin. For some, the visit changes their life. Take David Rolfe, for example -- a skeptic when in 1978 he made his first documentary, "The Silent Witness."
"The feeling back then was that it was a medieval forgery," he tells CNN. "Relics were huge business, and the Shroud was the ace of relics. Whenever it came out, hundreds of people came to see it."
Rolfe thought it was a "spectacular forgery" and, with his documentary, set out to prove how it had been created.
But making the film, he started to rethink. He saw the VP8 3D images. He learned there was no "directionality" to the image, as one applied with a brush would have. He interviewed a forensic pathologist who said it was a "particularly accurate construction of a Roman crucifixion" -- not least the wounds in the wrists, rather than the palms, with "missing" thumbs thought to be caused by nerve damage or a retracted thumb.
It was unlikely, he thought, that a medieval forger would have such a command of human anatomy. (Professor Michael Tite, who supervised the carbon dating, has also remarked on this -- but he posits that while the Shroud is indeed the burial cloth of a crucifixion victim, it is a medieval one, from a Christian who was tortured. Tite declined to speak to CNN.)
The film played to sold-out audiences around the world and won a BAFTA. Rolfe had made his name professionally, but, he says, "I'd been too busy making the film to think about the transformation it had made to my life."
"I found [the Shroud] a work of sublime genius. I saw no evidence of man in it, and I thought, yes, I believe this was caused by a miracle and the only thing it could have been was the resurrection."

[CliveG]

Show me the testing that has been performed by modern scientists.

Was that intended to be some sort of difficult challenge?
https://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrpdf/rr619.pdf

Or were you just  to damned lazy to google it?

You were the one against masks. Yet there are definite reductions. Why have no protection when some protection is better? From your link:

Using separate tests to measure levels of inert particles and live aerosolised influenza virus, our findings show that surgical masks provide around a 6-fold reduction in exposure.  Live viruses could be detected in the air behind all surgical masks tested. By contrast, properly fitted respirators could provide at least a 100-fold reduction.

[Bored chemist]

Why have no protection when some protection is better?

Because it produces a false sense of security.

From your quote

Live viruses could be detected in the air behind all surgical masks tested.

i.e. they don't really work.

I'm not against masks, I'm against bad masks.

[Bored chemist]

Evidence for God (and Christ). If this is a forgery, it is remarkable.

Radiocarbon dating in 1988 has shown that it is a forgery.
The fact that people still go on about it shows that religion is not interested in facts.

Did God have a hand in manipulating the forgery?

If He din then it's another of His screwups.
He got the date wrong.

The feeling back then was that it was a medieval forgery,"

... yep, because it is.

It was unlikely, he thought, that a medieval forger would have such a command of human anatomy.

It was not impossible that a medieval forger had seen an actual crucifixion.

the only thing it could have been was the resurrection."

This sort of thing illustrates my point.
That guy believes something- even though we know it is not true.
You believe that cell phones cause covid- even though we know it is not true.

That's the trouble with religion.
It gets people to believe nonsense.

And you post it, because you are so lost to logic that you think it actually supports your case.

[alancalverd]

In a nutshell, surgical masks are intended to stop staff sneezing and spitting into open wounds. They do that very well. But operating theaters and clean wards have positive pressure filtered air, so in most cases it's reasonably safe to inhale, and the mask doesn't have to fit closely. 

Thus a surgical mask is a socially good thing to wear in public in the current circumstance, as you may be infectious without knowing it. But it is pretty useless for self protection in a crowd (like a tube train) or when handling a patient who is known to be infectious because it won't protect you against inhaled aerosols. A builder's dust mask is a better fit and is designed to prevent the inhalation of droplets and particles. A valve is useful in a high performance HEPA mask so you can exhale without steaming up your goggles! 

[alancalverd]

When it's all over (if ever) and we take stock, we will indeed have a better appreciation of God. He is the evil bastard who created humans as food for parasites. Which is why human parasites evangelise.

[duffyd]

When it's all over (if ever) and we take stock, we will indeed have a better appreciation of God. He is the evil bastard who created humans as food for parasites. Which is why human parasites evangelise.

Big Al should know. He's the genius who said the N.T. was written 200 years later.