[Bored chemist]

Just why do you keep equating God to a mythical creature

Because He is.
The evidence in support of Him  could equally well be used to support the existence of pixies.

It's not an "atheist tactic".
It's a logical equivalence that you can't seem to grasp.

a mythical creature clearly invented to entertain children

The Pixies were not invented to entertain children.
They were part of an established religion.
So, once again we find ourselves wondering how bad your research must have been.

I can tell you that in my research on various religions I also took another look at Christianity.

The tribes is South Africa and Zimbabwe had no Gods that I am aware of. The witchdoctor was all-powerful

All powerful- so... a God then?

Did they have a creation myth?

[Bored chemist]

I suspect that many people who commit suicide or do something really strange may have been commanded to do so by demons.

I'm now trying to work out if that's  a bigger confession than

my research into religion also took me into research on types of government.
Interestingly, one really good one is Fascism.

Do you advocate drilling holes in the head to let the demons out?
Are demons somehow allergic to antipsychotic drugs or something?

[Bored chemist]

And I gave you a statistical scientific study that appears to prove that faith in God works.

remind me- where did you think you had done that?

[CliveG]

An article about the power of prayer in fighting covid19. The rest of the article is not noteworthy.

As a  person of faith and a journalist I have been confronted many times by skeptics who do not believe in the power of prayer, who see it as just the antiquated thinking of an uneducated mind.

[CliveG]

Just why do you keep equating God to a mythical creature

Because He is.
The evidence in support of Him  could equally well be used to support the existence of pixies.

It's not an "atheist tactic".
It's a logical equivalence that you can't seem to grasp.

a mythical creature clearly invented to entertain children

The Pixies were not invented to entertain children.
They were part of an established religion.
So, once again we find ourselves wondering how bad your research must have been.

I can tell you that in my research on various religions I also took another look at Christianity.

The tribes is South Africa and Zimbabwe had no Gods that I am aware of. The witchdoctor was all-powerful

All powerful- so... a God then?

Did they have a creation myth?

Pixies part of a religion! Which one would that be then?
How many people experience or believe in God - including famous scientists? How does that number compare to the Pixie believers?
"Because He is". Thus spake Bored Chemist - the All-Knowing. (Yes - sarcasm)
Logical equivalence. If I said that Bored Chemist is a viral artificial internet demon would that be considered a valid logical equivalence?
All-powerful witchdoctor. As humanly all-powerful as one can get. He decides who lives and who dies. Don't mess with him (or her). Is this another attempt at a logical equivalence?

Must be a boring news day for you. Just corona virus and more corona virus, eh?

[CliveG]

I suspect that many people who commit suicide or do something really strange may have been commanded to do so by demons.

I'm now trying to work out if that's  a bigger confession than

my research into religion also took me into research on types of government.
Interestingly, one really good one is Fascism.

Do you advocate drilling holes in the head to let the demons out?
Are demons somehow allergic to antipsychotic drugs or something?

So you have never experienced a compelling thought that does not seem to be your own, commanding you to do something that you would not even consider? Like a blind man telling me I have no idea of what color is like.

Drilling holes. Well at least they got the right organ - the brain. How do you think surgery advanced? Trial and much error. Apparently the medical knowledge gained from Nazi concentration camps is considered valuable research although so unethical that doctors find it hard to use the results as references.

But to answer your question. Mess with the brain and demons and spirits have a hard time trying to influence thoughts. They do not "take over" like some zombie virus. They operate by quietly whispered suggestions, and the occasional forceful command. It fits right in with the rest of my hypothesis as to how the brain communicates with spirit. So blind man, why do you scoff at something others experience? It seems you operate on the basis of "If I have not experienced such things then they do not exist." Ever seen a ghost? Heard a ghost? Had an vivid hallucination (with and without drugs)?

Some people seem to communicate with spirit when the conscious is somehow damaged or impaired. Others require quiet time and letting the conscious brain go idle.

Perhaps you should calm down and try to absorb some of what I am writing.

[CliveG]

Some behavior that seems to be demon-inspired is simply the result of a weak mind and smoking too much pot. See the link below. Most insanity is simply insanity. One cannot always blame the demons. Harvey Weinstein certainly has only himself and his ego to blame. Too much unchecked power.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/south-african-king-ax-rampage

The nephew of the late Nelson Mandela – who happens to be a South African king – was arrested after allegedly going on an ax rampage in the palace, reports claim.
Buyelekhaya Dalindyebo reportedly broke into the Thembu royal palace early Friday morning searching for his son, the regent, the BBC reported.
Dalindyebo’s son, Azensthi Zanelizwe Dalindyebo, had been acting as king while his father was serving a 12-year prison sentence for kidnapping, assault, and arson.

[Bored chemist]

If I said that Bored Chemist is a viral artificial internet demon would that be considered a valid logical equivalence?

No.
Because, of course, it doesn't depend on someone saying it (that's how religion "works") it depends on whether there is evidence for it (that's how science works).

Now, rather than ranting about kings, why not try explaining the fundamental difference between a God (or a demon) and a Pixie?

[Bored chemist]

Pixies part of a religion! Which one would that be then?

Celtic paganism.
Presumably you knew that because of your "research".

[Bored chemist]

It seems you operate on the basis of "If I have not experienced such things then they do not exist."

It seems that way to you.
To everyone else it seems that I believe in things for which there is sound evidence.
The disparity is due to you not recognising the difference between an anecdote, and evidence.

[alancalverd]

Apparently the medical knowledge gained from Nazi concentration camps is considered valuable research

Apparent to whom? Can you cite one such fact that was previously unknown, published between 1936 and 1945, verified, and of future value to medical practice? Or does this just consist with your earlier assertion that fascism is a good form of government?

[Bored chemist]

Apparent to whom? Can you cite one such fact that was previously unknown, published between 1936 and 1945, verified, and of future value to medical practice? Or does this just consist with your earlier assertion that fascism is a good form of government?

There might be some such data.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2010/06/do-doctors-use-nazi-data-in-their-research.html

But it's totally irrelevant.
It was just a dead cat that Clive threw on the table because he didn't want to answer a question.
So, here's the question again.

Do you advocate drilling holes in the head to let the demons out?

[alancalverd]

I knew about the hypothermia studies, but as the article states, that was probably the only remotely interesting finding and quite irrelevant to the problem of survival of well fed, fit young men. Plenty of seafarers and arctic explorers had fallen into freezing seawater before 1936, and the ambient temperature at 30,000 ft is well below that of the North Sea. They also studied decompression and hypoxia, but again did not add to the common knowledge that people need oxygen - there were plenty of more relevant volunteer studies on insidious and sudden loss of control, which determines the survival of aircrew and passengers.

[CliveG]

Finally, the world is coming to realize what a pandemic might do. The morgues and hospitals in Italy have trouble coping with the number of patients and the dead.

Humankind may beat this round of corona virus but if the message I got is correct, the die-off has started. The world needs a die-off in the billions to stop global warming and not just a few thousand. I do not know if it will take a few years or a few decades. I am quite convinced it will happen.

So what one should be asking is how credible my message is. I got it two days before I got news of the Swine Flu. A week later, and despite the dire predictions about Swine Flu, I said that it was not the big one. The big one would wait until I finished my book and would occur soon after. The timing is just about right. When one looks at my history of psychic events, and the rest of my life, there is a tale of learning.

So how many want to read my book? You got two chapters of the second half. I am not out to make money. The only reason I put a price on it is that people do not value something that is given away. The whole point is to get the message out. God seems to be controlling the distribution, and I am assuming it will go viral when it is supposed to. Let us see if staying at home gives some people time to read.

[Bored chemist]

Finally, the world is coming to realize what a pandemic might do.

The world knew.

I am quite convinced it will happen.

The current death rate is about 1%
I doubt there will be a single day where more people die than are born.
(Typically 360,000 are born each day.)

You being "convinced" does not trump the actual evidence.

So what one should be asking is how credible my message is.

It is laughable.

One reason you lack credibility (in addition to thinking a disease with a goss lethality less than 1% is going to control our population) is that you are unable to defend your position on anything.
When challenged you just write some irrelevant dross.
So, for the third time of asking

Do you advocate drilling holes in the head to let the demons out?

[CliveG]

So, for the third time of asking

Quote from: Bored chemist on 15/03/2020 09:40:15

    Do you advocate drilling holes in the head to let the demons out?

No. Do you think it is an option since you seem so desperate for an answer?

[CliveG]

Quote from: CliveG on Today at 06:57:02

    So what one should be asking is how credible my message is.

It is laughable.

Still in denial. I take it you are not in a "hot" zone.

So we need to give it some more time. Okay. Fox News had nothing but corona stories.

1%. Can you back that with statistics? A link perhaps. Why is the medical profession the most worried?

How about the collapse of economies? Not just in the USA but around the world. And the deaths that will result from malnutrition? And local diseases such as cholera and the like.

How about a major war which gets out of hand? Started by a nation desperate to divert attention, or thinking that their survival is at stake. Take Iran. They do not want a war under normal circumstance but if the country is desperate for goods and needs to break sanctions? And then a nuclear war follows? I had an image of Iran catapulting bodies into Israel.

[CliveG]

There is no vaccine for stupidity. However, this does provide some comic relief. (PS - Corn Cob? Ouch)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/17/coronavirus-oregon-police-says-stop-calling-911-toilet-paper/5065874002/
An Oregon police department is dealing with an odd emergency of its own during the coronavirus outbreak: Too many people calling 911 because they’ve run out of toilet paper. The Newport Police Department reminded local residents that there are more urgent issues than being short on toilet paper.
“It’s hard to believe that we even have to post this,” the department wrote on its Facebook page early Sunday morning. “Do not call 9-1-1 just because you ran out of toilet paper. You will survive without our assistance.”
Toilet paper shortages are rampant, both in big-box stores such as Walmart and Costco, and on Amazon, which is working "around the clock" to restock the necessity.
The police department listed some toilet paper alternatives out of history, citing the fact that both Mayans and colonial-era Americans used corn cobs.
For what it’s worth bidets — the bathroom appliance that sprays water in its user’s rear — are also gaining in popularity.
In any case, the Newport Police Department advises residents to be “resourceful” and “patient” during these tough times. “There is a TP shortage,” they write. “This too shall pass. Just don’t call 9-1-1. We cannot bring you toilet paper.”

[CliveG]

Max Keiser did an interview of John Rubino (DollarCollapes.com).
https://www.rt.com/shows/keiser-report/483230-vaccine-covid-19-pandemic/
at 22 minutes:
John says that there are two scenarios to fix a broken financial system. The 1930s deflationary depression where all the debt gets wiped off through default, or a Wiemar Germany hyperinflation where one attempts to wipe out the debt by inflating it away. Both are extremely painful. No other way to normality. But BC will come to the rescue - we hope.

Before 2008, the Fed said it knew how to break the cycle of boom and bust. Alan Greenspan was revered as such a guru and financial expert, but he was trying to flout the basics of economics - as if the second law of thermodynamics could be ignored and entropy reversed. They are still trying to keep a zombie economy afloat.

My wife and I do not know how or where to invest at a time like this. We have just not put all our eggs in one basket, and are hoping that diversification will help. The long lines at the supermarkets are quite clear in Joburg. Traffic in the streets is down. How does one quarantine a squatter camp? How do people who live from day to day stay in a 2 x 2 meter tin shack for 30 to 60 days?

But why are such people not among the explosion of cases as they normally are? They are the drivers, the porters, the cleaners and so on.

While I agree with Max on many things, cryptocurrency is not one of them. It is interesting that gold is not rising. For two reasons - those who have bought in 2008 and are holding on, and those who need to sell to pay their margin calls.

[CliveG]

The current death rate is about 1%

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/17/health/us-coronavirus-updates-tuesday/index.html
"scenario similar to the one facing Italy. The European country went on total lockdown last week and has been hit harder than any other country in the region, with at least 24,747 cases of coronavirus and 1,809 deaths."

This is 7.3%. Is your math as bad as your logic?