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When it's all over (if ever) and we take stock, we will indeed have a better appreciation of God. He is the evil bastard who created humans as food for parasites. Which is why human parasites evangelise.
How do I know what I know? I sometimes read the bible when I'm waiting my call in an operating theater.
Postscript.Whilst I have no doubt that Jonah Duffy has witnessed and faithfully recorded many uncontrolled descents, I have it on good authority from a forensic phonetician who has analysed dozens of cockpit voice recorders, that the last word on every tape is always "sh1t!". Interesting that, whatever their native language or religion, even in moments of extreme stress, pilots continue to speak English. That's professionalism.
Quote from: CliveG on 20/04/2020 07:48:06Quote from: Bored chemist on 19/04/2020 09:45:39Quote from: CliveG on 19/04/2020 09:40:31Why have no protection when some protection is better? Because it produces a false sense of security.From your quote Quote from: CliveG on 19/04/2020 09:40:31Live viruses could be detected in the air behind all surgical masks tested.i.e. they don't really work.I'm not against masks, I'm against bad masks.I have to quote your post once more.In reply you said you said I was wrong that you would die than wear a surgical mask.But here you say an ordinary surgical mask is not only a waste of time, but gives a false sense of security and therefore should not be worn. Yet your link showed a 6 fold reduction. To me that means you have improved your chances by at least 83 percent. It may even be that the lowered viral load gives a 95 to 99 percent protection against infection. If you get an infection by wearing no mask, you might die. You prefer to wear not mask, hence it is logical for me to state that your choice is a risk of dying rather than wearing a mask with a lower risk of dying. I can logically say you prefer to die rather than wear a surgical mask.Oh course, I could also say you do not want to admit you have been wrong in you posts about masks. I could make further logical deductions about that but you seem to be rather touchy so I will leave it.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 19/04/2020 09:45:39Quote from: CliveG on 19/04/2020 09:40:31Why have no protection when some protection is better? Because it produces a false sense of security.From your quote Quote from: CliveG on 19/04/2020 09:40:31Live viruses could be detected in the air behind all surgical masks tested.i.e. they don't really work.I'm not against masks, I'm against bad masks.I have to quote your post once more.In reply you said you said I was wrong that you would die than wear a surgical mask.But here you say an ordinary surgical mask is not only a waste of time, but gives a false sense of security and therefore should not be worn. Yet your link showed a 6 fold reduction. To me that means you have improved your chances by at least 83 percent. It may even be that the lowered viral load gives a 95 to 99 percent protection against infection. If you get an infection by wearing no mask, you might die. You prefer to wear not mask, hence it is logical for me to state that your choice is a risk of dying rather than wearing a mask with a lower risk of dying. I can logically say you prefer to die rather than wear a surgical mask.Oh course, I could also say you do not want to admit you have been wrong in you posts about masks. I could make further logical deductions about that but you seem to be rather touchy so I will leave it.
Quote from: CliveG on 19/04/2020 09:40:31Why have no protection when some protection is better? Because it produces a false sense of security.From your quote Quote from: CliveG on 19/04/2020 09:40:31Live viruses could be detected in the air behind all surgical masks tested.i.e. they don't really work.I'm not against masks, I'm against bad masks.
Why have no protection when some protection is better?
Live viruses could be detected in the air behind all surgical masks tested.
Are you serious? If so, why do you read a book you are so opposed to?
Scholars are open minded, hungry for more information without regard where it might lead. I love real scholarship not the type popularized today. This is a wonderful time to be viewed as an unbelieving scholar. It is the rage to hate believers and the more justification one has for such bitterness, i.e., status as scholars, the greater and the more vociferous their fanbase becomes. They are on a roll. They are today a frenzied mob demanding in one united, blaspheming, cursing tirade that Christians and their GOD, Jesus Christ, are the true, guilty enemies of social justice, universal love and prosperity for all. Christians deserve whatever violent, murderous justice that they impose upon us. GOD, JESUS and their devoted, mindless slaves are responsible for every evil visited upon mankind. GOD killed Sharon Tate. GOD starves children to death. (Never mind that an abundance of food rots in storage bins--that too is GOD's doing). Every jet crash is GOD's fault. Every injustice no matter how small is tied directly to GOD's character, HIS will, HIS evil ways. They've got us fixed and we are all going to pay, finally, for our collective treacherous, vile influence.
You nailed it Clive.
He has been proven ...
Presenting temptation in the form of beautiful, scantily clad women in front of 16 year old males is an outstanding tool to lead them into all kinds of trouble.
Whatever the perverts tell you,
Quote from: duffyd on 20/04/2020 12:21:39Presenting temptation in the form of beautiful, scantily clad women in front of 16 year old males is an outstanding tool to lead them into all kinds of trouble.Does your mum know what you are doing right now? Don't worry. It isn't a sin*, won't make you go blind, and may even prevent prostate cancer when you grow up.*Whatever the perverts tell you, Onan was punished for refusing to impregnate his sister in law, not for playing with himself. RTM.
I am so much smarter than you.
Quote from: alancalverd on 20/04/2020 17:02:30Quote from: duffyd on 20/04/2020 12:21:39Davidman had become interested in C. S. Lewis while still in America. She first met him in August 1952, when she made a trip to the United Kingdom, after a two-year correspondence with him. She planned to finish her book on the Ten Commandments that she had been working on, and which showed influences of Lewis's style of apologetics. After several lunch meetings and walks accompanying Davidman and his brother, Warren Lewis wrote in his diary that "a rapid friendship" had developed between his younger brother and Davidman, whom he described as "a Christian convert of Jewish race, medium height, good figure, horn rimmed specs, quite extraordinarily uninhibited." She spent Christmas and a fortnight at The Kilns with the brothers. Though Davidman was deeply in love with Lewis, there was no reciprocation on his side.[20]She returned home in January 1953, having received a letter from Gresham that he and her cousin were having an affair and he wanted a divorce. Her cousin Renée Rodriguez had moved into the Gresham home and was keeping house for the family while she was away. Davidman intended to try to save the marriage, but she agreed to a divorce after a violent encounter with Gresham, who had resumed drinking. He married Rodriguez when the divorce became final in August 1954.[20][21]Confessing to be a "complete Anglomaniac", Davidman returned to England with her sons in November 1953.[22] Cynthia Haven speculates that the activities of HUAC might have been a factor in her decision to emigrate and not return, given her political affiliations in the past.[23] Davidman found a flat in London and enrolled David and Douglas at Dane Court Preparatory School,[24] but she soon ran into financial difficulties when Gresham quit sending money for support. Lewis paid the school fees and found Davidman and her sons a house in Oxford close to The Kilns.[25] Lewis originally regarded her only as an agreeable intellectual companion and personal friend. Warren Lewis wrote: "For Jack the attraction was at first undoubtedly intellectual. Joy was the only woman whom he had met... who had a brain which matched his own in suppleness, in width of interest, and in analytical grasp, and above all in humour and a sense of fun."[4]
Quote from: duffyd on 20/04/2020 12:21:39Davidman had become interested in C. S. Lewis while still in America. She first met him in August 1952, when she made a trip to the United Kingdom, after a two-year correspondence with him. She planned to finish her book on the Ten Commandments that she had been working on, and which showed influences of Lewis's style of apologetics. After several lunch meetings and walks accompanying Davidman and his brother, Warren Lewis wrote in his diary that "a rapid friendship" had developed between his younger brother and Davidman, whom he described as "a Christian convert of Jewish race, medium height, good figure, horn rimmed specs, quite extraordinarily uninhibited." She spent Christmas and a fortnight at The Kilns with the brothers. Though Davidman was deeply in love with Lewis, there was no reciprocation on his side.[20]She returned home in January 1953, having received a letter from Gresham that he and her cousin were having an affair and he wanted a divorce. Her cousin Renée Rodriguez had moved into the Gresham home and was keeping house for the family while she was away. Davidman intended to try to save the marriage, but she agreed to a divorce after a violent encounter with Gresham, who had resumed drinking. He married Rodriguez when the divorce became final in August 1954.[20][21]Confessing to be a "complete Anglomaniac", Davidman returned to England with her sons in November 1953.[22] Cynthia Haven speculates that the activities of HUAC might have been a factor in her decision to emigrate and not return, given her political affiliations in the past.[23] Davidman found a flat in London and enrolled David and Douglas at Dane Court Preparatory School,[24] but she soon ran into financial difficulties when Gresham quit sending money for support. Lewis paid the school fees and found Davidman and her sons a house in Oxford close to The Kilns.[25] Lewis originally regarded her only as an agreeable intellectual companion and personal friend. Warren Lewis wrote: "For Jack the attraction was at first undoubtedly intellectual. Joy was the only woman whom he had met... who had a brain which matched his own in suppleness, in width of interest, and in analytical grasp, and above all in humour and a sense of fun."[4]
Davidman had become interested in C. S. Lewis while still in America. She first met him in August 1952, when she made a trip to the United Kingdom, after a two-year correspondence with him. She planned to finish her book on the Ten Commandments that she had been working on, and which showed influences of Lewis's style of apologetics. After several lunch meetings and walks accompanying Davidman and his brother, Warren Lewis wrote in his diary that "a rapid friendship" had developed between his younger brother and Davidman, whom he described as "a Christian convert of Jewish race, medium height, good figure, horn rimmed specs, quite extraordinarily uninhibited." She spent Christmas and a fortnight at The Kilns with the brothers. Though Davidman was deeply in love with Lewis, there was no reciprocation on his side.[20]She returned home in January 1953, having received a letter from Gresham that he and her cousin were having an affair and he wanted a divorce. Her cousin Renée Rodriguez had moved into the Gresham home and was keeping house for the family while she was away. Davidman intended to try to save the marriage, but she agreed to a divorce after a violent encounter with Gresham, who had resumed drinking. He married Rodriguez when the divorce became final in August 1954.[20][21]Confessing to be a "complete Anglomaniac", Davidman returned to England with her sons in November 1953.[22] Cynthia Haven speculates that the activities of HUAC might have been a factor in her decision to emigrate and not return, given her political affiliations in the past.[23] Davidman found a flat in London and enrolled David and Douglas at Dane Court Preparatory School,[24] but she soon ran into financial difficulties when Gresham quit sending money for support. Lewis paid the school fees and found Davidman and her sons a house in Oxford close to The Kilns.[25] Lewis originally regarded her only as an agreeable intellectual companion and personal friend. Warren Lewis wrote: "For Jack the attraction was at first undoubtedly intellectual. Joy was the only woman whom he had met... who had a brain which matched his own in suppleness, in width of interest, and in analytical grasp, and above all in humour and a sense of fun."[4]
Quote from: alancalverd on 20/04/2020 17:02:30Quote from: duffyd on 20/04/2020 12:21:39Presenting temptation in the form of beautiful, scantily clad women in front of 16 year old males is an outstanding tool to lead them into all kinds of trouble.Does your mum know what you are doing right now? Don't worry. It isn't a sin*, won't make you go blind, and may even prevent prostate cancer when you grow up.*Whatever the perverts tell you, Onan was punished for refusing to impregnate his sister in law, not for playing with himself. RTM.She was my daughter and my mother, my pupil and my teacher, my subject and my sovereign; and always, holding all these in solution, my trusty comrade, friend, shipmate, fellow-soldier. My mistress; but at the same time all that any man friend (and I have good ones) has ever been to me. Perhaps more. – C. S. Lewis[26]Lewis began to ask for Davidman's opinion and criticism when he was writing and she served as the inspiration for Orual, the central character in Till We Have Faces (1956).[27] Other works that she influenced or helped with include Reflections on the Psalms (1958) and The Four Loves (1960).[28] Davidman's book Smoke on the Mountain: An Interpretation of the Ten Commandments was published in 1955 in England with a preface by C. S. Lewis. It sold 3,000 copies, double that of US sales.[29]In 1956, Davidman's visitor's visa was not renewed by the Home Office, requiring that she and her sons return to America. Lewis agreed to enter into a civil marriage contract with her so that she could continue to live in the UK, telling a friend that "the marriage was a pure matter of friendship and expediency". The civil marriage took place at the register office, 42 St Giles', Oxford, on 23 April 1956.
MOLLY 2004: So, do you believe in God?RAY: Well, it's a three-letter word—and a powerful meme.MOLLY 2004: I realize the word and the idea exist. But does it refer to anything that you believe in?RAY: People mean lots of things by it.MOLLY 2004: Do you believe in those things?RAY: It's not possible to believe all these things: God is an all-powerful conscious person looking over us, makingdeals, and getting angry quite a bit. Or He—It—is a pervasive life force underlying all beauty and creativity. OrGod created everything and then stepped back....MOLLY 2004: I understand, but do you believe in any of them?RAY: I believe that the universe exists.MOLLY 2004: Now wait a minute, that's not a belief, that's a scientific fact.RAY: Actually, I don't know for sure' that anything exists other than my own thoughts.MOLLY 2004: Okay, I understand that this is the philosophy chapter, but you can read scientific papers—thousands ofthem—that corroborate the existence of stars and galaxies. So, all those galaxies—we call that the universe.RAY: Yes, I've heard of that, and I do recall reading some of these papers, but I don't know that those papers reallyexist, or that the things they refer to really exist, other than in my thoughts.MOLLY 2004: So you don't acknowledge the existence of the universe?RAY: No, I just said that I do believe that it exists, but I'm pointing out that it's a belief That's my personal leap of faith.MOLLY 2004: All right, but I asked whether you believed in God.RAY: Again, "God" is a word by which people mean different things. For the sake of your question, we can considerGod to be the universe, and I said that I believe in the existence of the universe.MOLLY 2004: God is just the universe?RAY: Just? It's a pretty big thing to apply the word "just" to. If we are to believe what science tells us—and I said thatI do—it's about as big a phenomenon as we could imagine.MOLLY 2004: Actually, many physicists now consider our universe to be just one bubble among a vast number of other universes. But I meant that people usually mean something more by the word "God" than "just" the materialworld. Some people do associate God with everything that exists, but they still consider God to be conscious. Soyou believe in a God that's not conscious?RAY: The universe is not conscious—yet. But it will be. Strictly speaking, we should say that very little of it isconscious today. But that will change and soon. I expect that the universe will become sublimely intelligent andwill wake up in Epoch Six. The only belief I am positing here is that the universe exists. If we make that leap offaith, the expectation that it will wake up is not so much a belief as an informed understanding, based on thesame science that says there is a universe.MOLLY 2004: Interesting. You know, that's essentially the opposite of the view that there was a conscious creator who got everything started and then kind of bowed out. You're basically saying that a conscious universe will "bowin" during Epoch Six.RAY: Yes, that's the essence of Epoch Six.