[alancalverd]

A simple rational reason for reincarnation is that the afterlife would be so full of souls it could not cope. When one goes back to man's origin as a single cell then the number of single celled souls would be even more mind-boggling. If one argues that only modern man (after Neanderthal man) has a soul then one has to ask why?

You would be in a minority to hold that view. Hinduism and Buddhism promote reincarnation in pretty much any animal form, which explains the extinction of the dinosaurs: if you reincarnate souls in ever-larger animals, you will either run out of food on earth, or run out of soul storage space in the recycling center. 

[Bored chemist]

I stand corrected. Since I do take care, I will take MORE care.

Assuming the link between obesity and cell phone usage is true, explain why my reasoning is faulty as to the possibility.

That is not taking more care to stay on topic, is it?
The answer is that you moved the goalposts.
What you said is this

"Can one say that cell phone usage leads to higher corona virus deaths?"

And what you are now saying is
"is there a possibility that cell phone usage ..."
And that's not the same thing.
It was an interesting attempt on your part, but either dishonest or dimwitted.
If you want to discuss it further you really should start a topic for it, since it's nothing to do with proof of God.

[alancalverd]

Cell phone usage is associated with prosperity.
Obesity cannot occur without prosperity.
It's an obvious correlation, but not a causative one.

[Bored chemist]

Obesity cannot occur without prosperity.

A reasonably large fraction of the US population might be seen as counter- examples.
It's still off topic.

[jerrygg38]

Naked 4.30.2020  9am
CliveG says:A simple rational reason for reincarnation is that the afterlife would be so full of souls it could not cope. When one goes back to man's origin as a single cell then the number of single celled souls would be even more mind-boggling. If one argues that only modern man (after Neanderthal man) has a soul then one has to ask why? What was the defining point? You should also realize that the concept of life after death has been with humankind for a very long time - probably even with the Neanderthals.
GG: First, everything has a soul. Even a rock has a soul. The soul is an image of this universe in the fifth dimension. We exist in the ordinary spatial dimensions of X, Y, Z and in the physical light speed dimension Co. Einstein would call the light speed Co dimension the time dimension. We also exist in the light speed Cs dimension where Cs= 18832 Co. This is the ultra-high light speed dimension. What is important is the spirit within our soul. This is ultra-high light speed photonic energy. When we die we find that we are still alive for a short period of time. Some of us only see darkness and will perish in a few minutes by our time clock. However one second our time equals 18832 seconds in the spiritual dimension. Therefore it appears to us to be quite a long time.
  Many of us will see the light of God. This source of light is near the center of our earth in the spiritual dimension. They will flow toward the light. Within their own memory is the memory of their loved ones. Thus they believe that they have achieved heaven and are together with their loved ones. The dead do not have objective reasoning. They do not contemplate whether they exist or not. Five minutes our time is 65 equivalent days to our spirit. They are absorbed by their Gods. They are not part of their loved ones.  Then they slowly fade into God. To their non-objective mind, they have achieved eternal heaven.
  How much memory does this take up in the mind of God? Most likely you could put it all in a simple thumb drive. Billions of billions of spirits are reduced to the memory within a thumb drive. God has absorbed our spirits. These are processed and purified. The self is gone.  This intelligence flows back to new life. Long ago the intelligence reached a peak level in the dinosaurs. They were killed off by cosmic events. Then came the chain of life leading to man. Individual reincarnation serves no purpose.
   God wants to move upward toward higher man. We are just a chain of life leading toward Gods ultimate purpose.  We are still animal. God was the dinosaur God. He was an animal who wanted to survive. Man is the means of God’s survival. So God has provided what appears to be a heaven to the spirits who arrive there. This I was shown in dreams. Man philosophizes about the hereafter. It is only a few minutes our time but to the faithful dead, it is paradise. God did not create this system. It is just the physics of the universe that does it.
  People are born and spiritual energy flows into them. The physical mind develops and the spiritual mind grows as well. Some seek God and others do not. Some seek truth and others do not. Those who serve the Earth and the animals will be absorbed by the Father God. The religious people will be absorbed by the many sons of God. In the end the purification process will reduce the memory within them to childhood.
  Reincarnation theory is pure vanity.  All we get is five minutes our time before we are collectivized.  Then we are gone forever. Like it or not we serve God and not the other way around. All we offer God is our love and intelligence.  God loves man and not the individual. God will protect those who serve God best.

[Bored chemist]

The soul is an image of this universe in the fifth dimension.

This is a science site.
What 5th dimension are you talking about?
Can you show that it exists?

[jerrygg38]

Bored Chemist asks:What 5th dimension are you talking about?
GG: The quantum physicists have already measured interactions greater than 10,000Co. Thus there is another dimension which operates at a speed much greater than our light speed. this is the fifth dimension.

[Bored chemist]

The quantum physicists have already measured interactions greater than 10,000Co

Ten thousand cobalt does not mean anything.

[Colin2B]

GG: The quantum physicists have already measured interactions greater than 10,000Co. Thus there is another dimension which operates at a speed much greater than our light speed. this is the fifth dimension.

Please quote paper on this. I haven’t seen anything indicating the markers have been found.

[alancalverd]

Obesity cannot occur without prosperity.

A reasonably large fraction of the US population might be seen as counter- examples.
It's still off topic.

There are very few obese people in East Africa. Prosperity means at least having enough food.

[CliveG]

You are redefining words to eliminate the possibility of God.How can one debate when the goalposts keep moving?

I think you have neatly defined God as the ultimate moving goalpost!

Perhaps. Only God can magically move real goalposts in defiance to the laws of physics.

BTW - I just know you will have the last word on this to-and-fro. My mind does not stretch to the extremes as yours does.

[CliveG]

  Reincarnation theory is pure vanity.  All we get is five minutes our time before we are collectivized.  Then we are gone forever. Like it or not we serve God and not the other way around. All we offer God is our love and intelligence.  God loves man and not the individual. God will protect those who serve God best.

I disagree because I have experienced the afterlife by being there. I also communicated with the spirit of a suicide.

What evidence do you have to support your theory?

[Bored chemist]

Only God can magically move real goalposts in defiance to the laws of physics.

Well, if He actually did that, we would have evidence of His existence.
But... He doesn't

[alancalverd]

Perhaps. Only God can magically move real goalposts in defiance to the laws of physics.

This doesn't explain David Beckham's record of World Cup penalty shots. He's very devout, but the Lord seems not to respond. Jonny Wilkinson, on the other hand, seemed not to rely on his faith and simply kicked the ball in the direction anyone else would have chosen, and won. So I think we can dismiss the hypothesis.

[CliveG]

Only God can magically move real goalposts in defiance to the laws of physics.

Well, if He actually did that, we would have evidence of His existence.
But... He doesn't

Last night I asked God to prove to me personally beyond any doubt that he existed. He made me an offer to do so.

Spoiler: show

He said he would give me a fatal heart attack, and then I could meet him.

I declined the offer.

[CliveG]

Shades of 1918! And who saw this coming?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/coronavirus-surge-brazil-brings-coffin-shortage-morgue-chaos-200501192518553.html
...Latin America's grimmest scenes occurred last month in Ecuador's city of Guayaquil, where residents said they had to leave bodies on the street after morgues, cemeteries and funeral homes were overwhelmed.
...The state's military police, who normally pick up bodies found outside, no longer do so for non-violent deaths, said an officer at the scene who would not give his name. He said without elaborating that the policy change was due to the coronavirus.

A friend in SA health services said that the testing in the squatter camps is showing an alarming rate of infection. She also said that people were ignoring social distancing.

Last night at 2am I was dreaming my breathing was restricted by some external restriction on air supply. In my dream I tossed the other way, and there was another restriction. Then I woke up and found that in reality I was having trouble breathing. I am stopping my pain tablets gradually and nearly done, but my chest muscles were in a lot of pain, and they simply did not want to do the work to breathe. I have been doing a lot of manual work.

And this is despite being on oxygen. I lay there for an hour forcing myself to breathe. It was most unpleasant. In fact, it was downright scary. I was cold despite adequate covering and put on the heater. I "feel" my bones being tossed into a grave. I sympathize with those suffering with Covid-19.

My wife is scared of getting the virus. She does not want to go to the shops. She says these are difficult times. I replied that we have both lived a great life and I worried about out children and grandchildren. My second wife grew up in the polio era. She is 80. Her Jewish father insisted that she learn to socialize because he was a prominent man in society but her Anglican mother was fearful. This dichotomy and the fear of socializing affected her mentally, and she has been a recluse  for many years, looked after by our daughter.

[jerrygg38]

ClimeG says
My wife is scared of getting the virus. She does not want to go to the shops. She says these are difficult times. I replied that we have both lived a great life and I worried about out children and grandchildren. My second wife grew up in the polio era. She is 80. Her Jewish father insisted that she learn to socialize because he was a prominent man in society but her Anglican mother was fearful. This dichotomy and the fear of socializing affected her mentally, and she has been a recluse  for many years, looked after by our daughter.
GG: Naked 5.2.2020 6am
When I had double pneumonia about 30 years ago I reached a point where the pain was so intense that I had to break my silence with God. My agreement was that I would do the work he demanded of me in 1981 and that he would no longer directly speak to me, touch me, or force me into obedience. I felt bad for my family although for myself I would prefer death. God said “Put a heating pad on your chest”. There was one in the closet and I put it own. The heat reduced the intense pain. At the same time I felt the healing radiation from God. I fell asleep and awoke on the road to recovery.
Right now God is killing us. This is the first of many plagues to come. In my latest book “God and Futureman upon the new Earth” I have a prayer that will help to save many from the coronavirus.
“Dear Father God. Please cleanse my body of any harmful viruses. Please do not let them grow within my body. Please protect my family and my loved ones. I am hoping that you will find me worthy to share in the world to come. I am hoping that my loved ones will also be worthy. I will endeavor to treat the earth with great respect. I will try to help to save the animal species. I will use my voice and whatever money I can spare to help support those who struggle to save the planet.”
This prayer goes to the highest level of God. You can be an atheist or a believer in the many religions of man. It does not matter. This prayer is what God demands today.

[alancalverd]

God said “Put a heating pad on your chest”.

No he didn't. God speaks Arabic, not English, and does not talk to infidels. Or maybe Latin, and only speaks to some Catholics. 
Discuss.

[jerrygg38]

Naked 5.2.2020 5 pm
  GG said:  God said “Put a heating pad on your chest”.
Alancalverd said: No he didn't. God speaks Arabic, not English, and does not talk to infidels. Or maybe Latin, and only speaks to some Catholics.
Discuss.
GG: Funny you say that. There are many levels of God. Most are sons of God such as Jesus or Isaac. They were the starting point of the Jewish God and the Christian God. Both these Gods became the original Christian people and the original Jewish people.  As the followers are absorbed it is the people Israel who became the Jewish God and the Church of Rome became the Christian God.
  Above all the Sons of God is the Father God. This God is the highest level of the Earth God and comprises the one thousand human Gods and the Gods of all the animals and the vegetables as well. The Father God speaks thousands of human languages and communicates with all the animals as well. It is also the God of the coronavirus.
   Many people speak to their Gods. I always have. The many Gods speak to their followers. The Father God chose me to deliver his message to mankind. This is for the future as the message will become self-evident as God destroys the creation.
  Why was I chosen? I was born Dec. 24, 1938 as the Jews were starting to be destroyed in large numbers during the Holocaust.  The German war God hated the Jewish God and tried to destroy all the Jews. Sometimes I think that they were trying to prevent me from speaking. That happened in the days of Moses and later in the days of Jesus. In any event I asked God to tell me my relationship to a person in the Bible.  He said “He is a brother unto you”. At a minimum that means I was born with the Holy Spirit within me. I did not like that answer. I struggled many years to rid myself of this spirit and one day it flew out of me. Then I was alone without my God.
   Most people think that I hallucinated. That is good because I would rather they believe I am a madman than a prophet of God. I never wanted this job. I struggled against it but in the end, God forced me into obedience. A few months ago God told me in a dream that I did a good job. Soon I will be gone and I will become part of future man upon the new Earth. The self is gone which is great. Only a little piece of me will be part of others. As I die, I will see the light of God and be absorbed. This will end my suffering.

[Bored chemist]

Shades of 1918! And who saw this coming?

Any competent epidemiologist- given that the governments refused to pay for sensible preparations.
They knew  that there was going to be a return precisely because it's (nearly) a rerun of 1918. in 1918 they had an excuse for being unprepared.

Nothing has changed that would stop it, so how was it going to do anything else?

It's not some remarkable clairvoyant thing. It's the ****ing obvious.