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For wave propagation in medium, Doppler effect can still occur even without change of distance between source and observer, if they move through the medium.
You have an example of that with light?
Quote from: Halc on 11/10/2019 12:25:49You have an example of that with light?...I suppose that sort of thing could be done by shining light through a high refractive index material moving fasthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fizeau_experiment
You have an example of that with light?...I suppose that sort of thing could be done by shining light through a high refractive index material moving fast
OK, he's using water here.There is still no Doppler effect in that picture. Both output beams shine with the same frequency as it would if the source was observed directly without the intervening apparatus. All it does is a phase shift on both sides.
The Doppler effect (or the Doppler shift) is the change in frequency or wavelength of a wave in relation to an observer who is moving relative to the wave source. It is named after the Austrian physicist Christian Doppler, who described the phenomenon in 1842.
From the diagram, at the right end of water column, water velocity at light direction is 0, hence the Doppler effect is canceled at that points, and the light frequency and wavelength of the top light becomes the same as the bottom light as they come out of water before observed. But the Doppler effect has occured along the top and bottom horizontal columns by changing propagation speed, frequency, and wavelength, which generate changes in interference pattern at the detector. Hence the changes of each individual parameters can't be directly measured, but either frequency or wavelength must have been changed, thus Doppler effect must have happened.
Quote from: wikiThe Doppler effect (or the Doppler shift) is the change in frequency or wavelength of a wave in relation to an observer who is moving relative to the wave source. It is named after the Austrian physicist Christian Doppler, who described the phenomenon in 1842.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppler_effectFrom the definition above, Doppler effect can happen if wavelength changes even if the frequency stays the same, which means that the propagation speed also changes accordingly.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 15/10/2019 04:54:03Quote from: wikiThe Doppler effect (or the Doppler shift) is the change in frequency or wavelength of a wave in relation to an observer who is moving relative to the wave source. It is named after the Austrian physicist Christian Doppler, who described the phenomenon in 1842.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppler_effectFrom the definition above, Doppler effect can happen if wavelength changes even if the frequency stays the same, which means that the propagation speed also changes accordingly.I agree that the definition above says that, but it is wikipedia, and I think they mean frequency change and associated wavelength change and not the case of wavelength change associated only with refraction and not frequency change. I'm saying wiki is wrong here.From oxford dictionary (top of list if you google "what is doppler effect"):"[physics:] an increase (or decrease) in the frequency of sound, light, or other waves as the source and observer move toward (or away from) each other. The effect causes the sudden change in pitch noticeable in a passing siren, as well as the redshift seen by astronomers."Britanica: "Doppler effect, the apparent difference between the frequency at which sound or light waves leave a source and that at which they reach an observer, caused by relative motion of the observer and the wave source."webster:"a change in the frequency with which waves (as of sound or light) from a given source reach an observer when the source and the observer are in motion with respect to each other so that the frequency increases or decreases according to the speed at which the distance is decreasing or increasing"http://physics.bu.edu/~duffy/py105/Doppler.html"The Doppler effect describes the shift in the frequency of a wave sound when the wave source and/or the receiver is moving."Pretty much every place except wiki says it's a frequency shift and does not consider a wavelength change without frequency change to be an example of Doppler effect.
You are correct. In order to get frequency change, we have to change the number of waves in transit between source and observer, such as when distance between source and observer changes. This can also be done by accelerating medium.
It makes me wonder if both source and observer accelerate uniformly. Does the light received by observer have the same frequency as the light emitted by the source? How much is the difference?
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 18/10/2019 04:18:22It makes me wonder if both source and observer accelerate uniformly. Does the light received by observer have the same frequency as the light emitted by the source? How much is the difference?The proper distance between them changes if one is in front of the other, but not side-by-side. So no redshift in the latter case.In the former case, the lead ship will outdistance the trailing one in the frame of either ship, so there will be a small Doppler effect as the proper distance between them grows.If, on the other hand, the two observers are in the same ship but opposite ends, the proper distance between the two would be fixed and the acceleration of each would not be the same and the one in front would see a red-shifted light from the rear and a blue shift looking the other way. This is a pure relativistic effect and not Doppler.
Quote from: Halc on 18/10/2019 12:27:27Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 18/10/2019 04:18:22It makes me wonder if both source and observer accelerate uniformly. Does the light received by observer have the same frequency as the light emitted by the source? How much is the difference?The proper distance between them changes if one is in front of the other, but not side-by-side. So no redshift in the latter case.In the former case, the lead ship will outdistance the trailing one in the frame of either ship, so there will be a small Doppler effect as the proper distance between them grows.If, on the other hand, the two observers are in the same ship but opposite ends, the proper distance between the two would be fixed and the acceleration of each would not be the same and the one in front would see a red-shifted light from the rear and a blue shift looking the other way. This is a pure relativistic effect and not Doppler.If they accelerate uniformly, their distance should not change.
In special relativity, lengths only contracts while time only dilates when an inertial system is observed by other inertial systems moving at constant velocity relative to the observed one. So I assume you are talking about general relativity there.