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Why has high dose Vit C and Vit D treatment been ignored for covid19?

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Re: Why has high dose Vit C and Vit D treatment been ignored for covid19?
« Reply #80 on: 06/06/2020 22:16:11 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 05/06/2020 15:34:25
Quote from: profound on 05/06/2020 14:21:00
Incorrect. there is no proof covid causes death. Remember correlation is not proof of causation
Do you understand that not everything is correlation?

Nobody is using correlation to demonstrate the link between covid and death, they are (more or less) using Koch's postulates.
But the ONLY link between Vit D and Covid Is correlation, so there is no proof there.

So, there really is a difference.





Remember that when you get covid and they intubate you with 90% death rate.

The real reason is Cambridge gets 'donations' from big pharma. A form of control.

The contract states Cambridge must not promote ,endorse, support anything that effects the bottom line of the donator.

So this is the main reason this gang of three uses sophistry to cast doubt anything like vitamin D .

If i was talking about Remdisvir they would be singing it's praises because that is a huge moneyspinner.
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Re: Why has high dose Vit C and Vit D treatment been ignored for covid19?
« Reply #81 on: 06/06/2020 22:41:20 »
Quote from: profound on 06/06/2020 22:16:11
The real reason is Cambridge gets 'donations' from big pharma. A form of control.

The contract states Cambridge must not promote ,endorse, support anything that effects the bottom line of the donator.
Please produce a copy of this mythical ‘contract’
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Re: Why has high dose Vit C and Vit D treatment been ignored for covid19?
« Reply #82 on: 06/06/2020 22:47:15 »
Quote from: profound on 06/06/2020 22:04:24
not as much remdisvar at $4000 per treatment...
We already addressed that; please try to keep up
Quote from: Bored chemist on 21/05/2020 22:56:36
I remind you that providing some hypothetical drug to treat covid makes money out of about 250,000 sick people in the UK (and each one gets pills for maybe a month)
Providing everybody with vit D pills makes money out of 66,000,000 people in the UK. (forever)
And Big pharma likes big numbers.

Quote from: profound on 06/06/2020 22:06:29
just proves conspiracy theories get proved right in due course.

If there was a conspiaracy then WHO would have kept teh ban in place.
But there isn't one, so they didn't.

You just tried to pretend the exact opposite of what really happened
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Re: Why has high dose Vit C and Vit D treatment been ignored for covid19?
« Reply #83 on: 06/06/2020 22:49:22 »
Quote from: profound on 06/06/2020 22:16:11
The real reason is Cambridge gets 'donations' from big pharma. A form of control.
Why would I give a damn what Cambridge does, or doesn't get?
I'm the one posting here, not Cambridge (and I'm not getting paid for it).
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Re: Why has high dose Vit C and Vit D treatment been ignored for covid19?
« Reply #84 on: 06/06/2020 22:55:22 »
Quote from: profound on 06/06/2020 22:16:11
If i was talking about Remdisvir they would be singing it's praises because that is a huge moneyspinner.

Let's see what "The establishment" are actually saying about t stuff.
The Lancet is probably as prestigious a journal as any, and they have a report on it here.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31022-9/fulltext

And what they say is this
"In this study of adult patients admitted to hospital for severe COVID-19, remdesivir was not associated with statistically significant clinical benefits."
 That's journal-speak for "It does not work"

OK, so, if there really was a conspiracy to big up this stuff, it's a piss poor one.


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Re: Why has high dose Vit C and Vit D treatment been ignored for covid19?
« Reply #85 on: 06/06/2020 22:57:16 »
Quote from: profound on 06/06/2020 22:16:11
Quote from: Bored chemist on 05/06/2020 15:34:25
Quote from: profound on 05/06/2020 14:21:00
Incorrect. there is no proof covid causes death. Remember correlation is not proof of causation
Do you understand that not everything is correlation?

Nobody is using correlation to demonstrate the link between covid and death, they are (more or less) using Koch's postulates.
But the ONLY link between Vit D and Covid Is correlation, so there is no proof there.

So, there really is a difference.





Remember that when you get covid and they intubate you with 90% death rate.


You didn't actually address the point, did you.
Try again.
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Re: Why has high dose Vit C and Vit D treatment been ignored for covid19?
« Reply #86 on: 07/06/2020 15:17:58 »
Quote from: profound on 06/06/2020 22:16:11
So this is the main reason this gang of three uses sophistry to cast doubt anything like vitamin D .

I'm an American. I have no connection with the University of Cambridge whatsoever. Neither "Big Pharma" nor Cambridge are paying me a cent.

So now I have to ask you: why did you just lie about me?

Secondly, you never presented any evidence that vitamin D is an effective treatment for COVID-19. The studies that you have posted merely showed that people who have sufficient levels of vitamin D are less likely to die from the virus than are people who are deficient in vitamin D. That is just plain common sense. Of course people with nutrient deficiencies are more likely to die from disease than people without deficiencies! In order for you demonstrate that vitamin D is an effective treatment, you would need to start off with people who already have sufficient vitamin D as the control group. They are the baseline against which you measure everything else. If you can show that giving additional vitamin D on top of that has a beneficial effect, then you'd have a point. Until then, please stop posting false information.

Thirdly, unless you can support your claim that Cambridge accepts bribes in exchange for suppressing effective medical treatments with actual, verifiable evidence, then I would consider those statements to be slander.
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Re: Why has high dose Vit C and Vit D treatment been ignored for covid19?
« Reply #87 on: 29/10/2020 21:27:25 »
It looks like Vitamin D has reached The Lancet...

So if you have low Vitamin D levels, popping a daily Vitamin D pill probably won't break the bank.

See: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landia/article/PIIS2213-8587(20)30268-0/fulltext
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Re: Why has high dose Vit C and Vit D treatment been ignored for covid19?
« Reply #88 on: 30/10/2020 11:35:30 »
Quote from: profound on 04/06/2020 22:04:46
i saw the doctor for a sore throat in 2005 and never since due to my high levels of vit D3

Or possibly lack of infection. I don't recall ever bothering my GP with a sore throat., or taking any vitamin supplements at all.
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Re: Why has high dose Vit C and Vit D treatment been ignored for covid19?
« Reply #89 on: 05/11/2020 08:43:01 »
Another line of evidence in favor of Vitamin-D therapy...
- A team of genomics researchers at Oak Ridge National Laboratory in USA have been investigating the impact of COVID-19 infection on gene expression pathways in multiple body tissues.
- One of their findings was that the enzymatic pathway that synthesizes Vitamin-D in the body is downregulated during COVID-19 infection
- And the paths which break down Vitamin-D are upregulated
- This suggests that COVID-19 infection causes a Vitamin-D deficiency (in addition to any Vitamin-D deficiency we may have from our modern indoor lifestyle)

Listen to this interview from about 1 hour 48 minutes; the Vitamin D segment runs about 3 minutes:
https://omegataupodcast.net/355-supercomputing-for-covid-19/

PS: I see lots of advertisements for cosmetics containing hyaluronic acid.  The same researchers mentioned above found that COVID-19 upregulates production of this carbohydrate polymer, which builds up as a hydrogel in the lungs of severe COVID-19 sufferers, contributing to the breathing difficulties that eventually prove fatal.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyaluronic_acid
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Re: Why has high dose Vit C and Vit D treatment been ignored for covid19?
« Reply #90 on: 05/11/2020 10:23:56 »
Hyaluronic acid seems to have replaced lead oxide and arsenic trioxide in modern female warpaint. However since "going out" and "coming in" are actually code for "wax on, wax off" and the latter process now involves "micellar water" (very weak anionic detergent), it's likely that most of the skin recovers overnight and the only damage is to the bank balance.

Seriously, even if VitD is no more use than chicken soup, it likewise fulfils the principal criterion of Hippocrates: First, do no harm. 
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Re: Why has high dose Vit C and Vit D treatment been ignored for covid19?
« Reply #91 on: 05/11/2020 13:40:43 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 05/11/2020 10:23:56
First, do no harm. 
Three problems; one is that, while you have to work at it, Vit D is used as a rat poison.
Secondly, if people are wasting their money on snake oil, they can't spend it on things that might help (or, if you insist, might help more) like a decent diet.
Third, if you teach people to believe hogwash, they believe hogwash.

The "it won't do any harm" lie is used far too often by the pushers of quackery, and they should be discouraged.
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Re: Why has high dose Vit C and Vit D treatment been ignored for covid19?
« Reply #92 on: 09/11/2020 21:10:08 »
I can't say I've heard of or found any proof either that Vitamin C or Vitamin D or any other supplement has a direct effect on Covid-19 or any similar viruses. I think the best it can do is generally help your immune system and support your health in that there is enough of those vitamins in your body to keep it going (which you can read a bit about here, for example: https://www.fitforbeach.de/vitamin-c-test/ [nofollow], which is a site written in German but is easily translatable via google translate or similar). But to claim it actually helps prevent infection or cures anything seems almost dangerous.
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