[Bored chemist]

i did my research

Did that involve actually you doing clinical testing on a group of people exposed to covid?
Or did you just choose authorities who agreed with your preconceptions?

[Bored chemist]

i am profiting from it.

The value of your loss is the cost of the pills.
That's nota profit, is it- well it is for the authority figure who sells vitamin pills- but not for you.

[Bored chemist]

I'm off to bed, so I think this is as good a place as any to stop.

i am so glad to be a fool.

[Kryptid]

Research studies.

That's awfully broad. There have been many research studies throughout history that weren't scientific, couldn't be replicated, etc.

[profound (OP)]

The consensus

Among whom?

Research studies.

I don't recall research studies saying that vitamin D will avert a cytokine storm in Covid patients.
There's a whole lot which shows that better fed patients are healthier or something.

how conveniently convenient.

maybe you have a poor memory recall or keep yourself in ignorance or pretending .

i already gave you the studies and here you are denying them.

whats going on?

[profound (OP)]

Research studies.

That's awfully broad. There have been many research studies throughout history that weren't scientific, couldn't be replicated, etc.

you are correct but remember correlation does not prove causation.

Maybe they hurt somebody's bottom line?

[Bored chemist]

i already gave you the studies and here you are denying them.

whats going on?

What's going on is that I'm clarifying things.
You posted lots of studies that say that Vit D levels are correlated to survival rates.
But that's not the same as showing that vit D  cures covid.

You always ignore that point when I ask about it, don't you?
You didn't answer it here

Right, now answer the real question.
How do you know that low vitamin levels are not just a proxy measure of poverty?

Or here

Do you accept that if I plotted incidence/ severity  of covid vs household income (In any given age bracket), I would find that richer people are less affected?

Do you accept that , if I plotted Vitamin D levels against income I would also find a correlation?

And, if those correlations exist, how would there not be a correlation between covid and vitamin D?

Why do you keep ignoring the most iimportant question in this line  of research?

[Bored chemist]

On a related note, what's your take on my question here?
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=79698.msg604225#msg604225

We know that obesity is a factor in covid mortality.
Fat people are more liekly to die.

Do you think liposuction is a cure for covid?

[profound (OP)]

On a related note, what's your take on my question here?
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=79698.msg604225#msg604225

We know that obesity is a factor in covid mortality.
Fat people are more liekly to die.

Remember correlation is not proof of causation that fat people die from covid.

[Bored chemist]

On a related note, what's your take on my question here?
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=79698.msg604225#msg604225

We know that obesity is a factor in covid mortality.
Fat people are more liekly to die.

Remember correlation is not proof of causation that fat people die from covid.

Great!
Now do you understand why it's also not proof of causation in the case of Vit D?

[profound (OP)]

On a related note, what's your take on my question here?
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=79698.msg604225#msg604225

We know that obesity is a factor in covid mortality.
Fat people are more liekly to die.

Remember correlation is not proof of causation that fat people die from covid.

Great!
Now do you understand why it's also not proof of causation in the case of Vit D?

Incorrect. there is no proof covid causes death. Remember correlation is not proof of causation

[alancalverd]

So according to reply #49 we have the extraordinary example of someone who was tested 15 years before there were any demonstrably effective  tests, for a disease that was unknown in humans until 14 years after the test.

Given such a psychic doctor, who needs vitamins?

[Bored chemist]

Incorrect. there is no proof covid causes death. Remember correlation is not proof of causation

Do you understand that not everything is correlation?

Nobody is using correlation to demonstrate the link between covid and death, they are (more or less) using Koch's postulates.
But the ONLY link between Vit D and Covid Is correlation, so there is no proof there.

So, there really is a difference.

[Bored chemist]

who needs vitamins?

Big pharma needs them; they make a lot of money from them.

[Bored chemist]

WHO banned it from test trials

Well, do you understand why?
IT DIDN:T WORK.
Is that a complicated idea somehow?
There weas no sensble basis for assuming it would work.
Someone took a punt on it.
It failed.

That's common sense, not a conspiracy.

Oh look!
Science happened.
https://www.technologynetworks.com/drug-discovery/news/hydroxychloroquine-revived-by-who-as-doubt-cast-on-lancet-nejm-studies-335713?utm_content=131021367&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&hss_channel=fbp-272776442828550&fbclid=IwAR3iqQPZWq05RFP29Ov89rDTHLk9NdLsRIE4n_uywhx99NyyiaXGjLLIYJk

that's not possible if Profoundly's conspiracies are true.
So... they aren't.

[Colin2B]

Remember correlation is not proof of causation that fat people die from covid.

Good, I’m glad you understand that, however, we do have direct evidence that factors accompanying obesity do cause death from covid.

You however are making accusations against Big Pharma for which you have presented no evidence. You have 24hrs to either present such evidence or retract your accusations.

[Kryptid]

you are correct but remember correlation does not prove causation.

Which is exactly why we can't trust just any research study. The details are important.

Maybe they hurt somebody's bottom line?

Until you can provide some actual evidence for claims like that, please cut it out with the conspiracy theory junk.

[profound (OP)]

who needs vitamins?

Big pharma needs them; they make a lot of money from them.

not as much remdisvar at $4000 per treatment...

[profound (OP)]

WHO banned it from test trials

Well, do you understand why?
IT DIDN:T WORK.
Is that a complicated idea somehow?
There weas no sensble basis for assuming it would work.
Someone took a punt on it.
It failed.

That's common sense, not a conspiracy.

Oh look!
Science happened.
https://www.technologynetworks.com/drug-discovery/news/hydroxychloroquine-revived-by-who-as-doubt-cast-on-lancet-nejm-studies-335713?utm_content=131021367&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&hss_channel=fbp-272776442828550&fbclid=IwAR3iqQPZWq05RFP29Ov89rDTHLk9NdLsRIE4n_uywhx99NyyiaXGjLLIYJk

that's not possible if Profoundly's conspiracies are true.
So... they aren't.

i knew all along that HCQ was being discredited by big pharma with fake studies.

$1 treatment versus $4000 for remdisver.

just proves conspiracy theories get proved right in due course.

[profound (OP)]

Remember correlation is not proof of causation that fat people die from covid.

Good, I’m glad you understand that, however, we do have direct evidence that factors accompanying obesity do cause death from covid.

You however are making accusations against Big Pharma for which you have presented no evidence. You have 24hrs to either present such evidence or retract your accusations.

my accusations of the huge criminality by BIG PHARMA  is listed here.

Let us hear you excuses now.



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