[Kryptid]

Alkaline water has health benefits and hence internet censors removed it under the pretext of fake news.

Everything that goes against big pharma is being removed or vilified or labelled as fake news.

Please give evidence to support this conspiracy theory.

Their is no proof that what you stated above is true

Do you even know what pH is?

[profound (OP)]

Their is no proof that what you stated above is true ".

Yes there is.
It's called science.
I have done the experiments.


Why not just withdraw your  assertion that I'm a liar, and look less of a fool?

no proof that Chemo "bought my mother another 5 years of life".

Well, she got out of bed and went round the world on holiday.
What  alternative explanation do you offer for her recovery, and that of millions of others?
What do you suggest is the reason why people with cancer now live longer than they used to?

Remember correlation is not proof of causation.

Remember that nobody said it was.
Remember not to say silly things.

Look it's really WRONG to use your mother to win arguments and morally dubious.

In addition it cannot be verified by pear reviewed publications.

There is no proof people live longer as the number dying from cancer  is still over 50000 in USA alone

[profound (OP)]

Alkaline water has health benefits and hence internet censors removed it under the pretext of fake news.

Everything that goes against big pharma is being removed or vilified or labelled as fake news.

Please give evidence to support this conspiracy theory.

Their is no proof that what you stated above is true

Do you even know what pH is?

i cant because empirical evidence is not accepted and trials cost many millions

[Kryptid]

i cant because empirical evidence is not accepted

What empirical evidence are you talking about?

[Bored chemist]

Look it's really WRONG to use your mother to win arguments and morally dubious.

"Morally dubious"- says the man who accused me of lying.
She actually did  recover and  + go round the world on holiday.
And the point is that you can't say I was told that by the "Powers that be", and I can use that clinical datum, without needing to go to discuss confidentiality with an ethics committee.
It's the least morally, or otherwise  dubious datum we have.

But you don't like it so you accuse me of making stuff up.
That's pretty low, isn't it?

Alkaline water has health benefits and hence internet censors removed it under the pretext of fake news.

Everything that goes against big pharma is being removed or vilified or labelled as fake news.

Please give evidence to support this conspiracy theory.

Their is no proof that what you stated above is true

Do you even know what pH is?

i cant because empirical evidence is not accepted and trials cost many millions

You are the one not accepting it, aren't you? You don't accept the specific case of my mother.

Water can't be alkaline- by definition; it's neutral.

There is no proof people live longer as the number dying from cancer  is still over 50000 in USA alone

Why do you not see that there isn't a link there.
Everyon dies.
Too many of them die of cancer.
But what therapy does is incresase the interval between diagnosis (by some specific criterion) and death.

trials cost many millions

We aren't asking you to fund one, just look at the data from them.

[profound (OP)]

Look it's really WRONG to use your mother to win arguments and morally dubious.

"Morally dubious"- says the man who accused me of lying.
She actually did  recover and  + go round the world on holiday.
And the point is that you can't say I was told that by the "Powers that be", and I can use that clinical datum, without needing to go to discuss confidentiality with an ethics committee.
It's the least morally, or otherwise  dubious datum we have.

But you don't like it so you accuse me of making stuff up.
That's pretty low, isn't it?

Alkaline water has health benefits and hence internet censors removed it under the pretext of fake news.

Everything that goes against big pharma is being removed or vilified or labelled as fake news.

Please give evidence to support this conspiracy theory.

Their is no proof that what you stated above is true

Do you even know what pH is?

i cant because empirical evidence is not accepted and trials cost many millions

You are the one not accepting it, aren't you? You don't accept the specific case of my mother.

Water can't be alkaline- by definition; it's neutral.

There is no proof people live longer as the number dying from cancer  is still over 50000 in USA alone

Why do you not see that there isn't a link there.
Everyon dies.
Too many of them die of cancer.
But what therapy does is incresase the interval between diagnosis (by some specific criterion) and death.

trials cost many millions

We aren't asking you to fund one, just look at the data from them.

it is morally wrong to bring your mother into it.

[Bored chemist]

it is morally wrong to bring your mother into it.

Why?
Who is harmed?
On the other hand, it's wrong for you to falsely accuse me of dishonesty.

Water still isn't alkaline.
Water still absorbs very little visible light.
In the scenario you cited the outcome would be that the water would warm up.
The data is available if you want to look for it, but, it seems you would rather try to impugn my morality.
In another thread you said you did your own research.
Do you mean you found some page on the web that said what you wanted to hear?
Because, if you actually did research, you would know that water is transparent (that doesn't take much "research") and you would know that it can't be  alkaline.

[profound (OP)]

it is morally wrong to bring your mother into it.

Why?
Who is harmed?
On the other hand, it's wrong for you to falsely accuse me of dishonesty.

Water still isn't alkaline.
Water still absorbs very little visible light.
In the scenario you cited the outcome would be that the water would warm up.
The data is available if you want to look for it, but, it seems you would rather try to impugn my morality.
In another thread you said you did your own research.
Do you mean you found some page on the web that said what you wanted to hear?
Because, if you actually did research, you would know that water is transparent (that doesn't take much "research") and you would know that it can't be  alkaline.

Alkaline water has a higher pH level than regular drinking water. Because of this, some advocates of alkaline water believe it can neutralize the acid in your body. Normal drinking water generally has a neutral pH of 7. Alkaline water typically has a pH of 8 or 9.

[Bored chemist]

Do you understand that, if it has a pH of 9, it isn't water?
Water is neutral.

[Kryptid]

Alkaline water has a higher pH level than regular drinking water. Because of this, some advocates of alkaline water believe it can neutralize the acid in your body. Normal drinking water generally has a neutral pH of 7. Alkaline water typically has a pH of 8 or 9.

The only way that water can be alkaline is if it has other substances dissolved in it.

In principle, I suppose an intense radiation source could cause chemical changes in water. Maybe you could get some hydrogen peroxide out of it with the evolution of hydrogen gas. Or maybe some of the small amounts of nitrogen and oxygen dissolved in it from the air could lead to the formation of ammonia, ozone, nitric acid or other such compounds. I don't know how likely that is, though. Bored Chemist would probably have a much better idea about it than me.

[Bored chemist]

the article mentioned that high intensity light caused ions to be created and made the water alkaline when tested.

Well, it's possible to make water alkaline by adding an alkali. For example, water that percolates through limestone will dissolve a little (About 15 milligrams per litre) calcium carbonate and become slightly alkaline.
Now, setting aside the idea that  15 parts per  million of calcium carbonate in the water may or may not be good for you, lets see what that article apparently said.

It didn't say you can make it alkaline by adding an alkali.
It said it could make water alkaline by shining a light on it.

But,as discussed at pointless length, the only outcome of that would be to warm it up a bit.
It doesn't add alkali. It doesn't stop it being neutral.
So, the article is clearly wrong- there just isn't a mechanism for it to be right.

Now we know that whoever wrote the article says things that aren't true, we can consider the other claim made; the one about alkaline water being good for you.

Is there a credible mechanism for a few dozen milligrams of dissolved rock making a difference in teh body which wouldn't be outweighed by the hundreds of grams of food you eat?

OK, so, we know teh source is unreliable- they talk nonsense about light making water alkaline- and we know there's no mechanism for it to work.

And it's not as if Profound has actually done the large scale double blind tests that would be needed to uncover any effect.
So we know that Profound is basing his judgement on some other "authority figure". And we also know that he thinks the rejection of hydroxychloroquine as a miracle cure for covid is a conspiracy.

But we also know that one of the advocates for HCQ is
(1) and idiot who thinks that people should try injecting disinfectant and
(2) has financial connections with the company that sells HCQ

So, it's fair to say that Profound isn't on the same side as either science or  common sense, and he doesn't spot a real
 conspiracy when there is one.
He's a very useful too for big pharma though.
He keeps advocating giving them money for pills we don't need.

[Bill S]

https://www.laboratoryequipment.com/565010-Splitting-Water-with-UV-is-Now-at-Almost-100-Quantum-Efficiency/

Not had a chance to read it yet, but thought it might be relevant.

[Bored chemist]

https://www.laboratoryequipment.com/565010-Splitting-Water-with-UV-is-Now-at-Almost-100-Quantum-Efficiency/

Not had a chance to read it yet, but thought it might be relevant.

Did you read the first few lines?
"Scientists in Japan successfully split water into hydrogen and oxygen using light and meticulously designed catalysts, "
Guess what happens without the catalysts (i.e. in the case in point).

[hamdani yusuf]

Here is a possible scenario I can think of. Mineral/drinking water can have up to 250 ppm of total dissolved solid, wich may contain salts of chloride or carbonate. The intense light may break the chemical bond and release gaseous Cl2 or CO2, leaving alkaline ions dissolved in water.