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Aren't emotions little more that a package of preconditioned reactions (part habitual conditioning, part instinct) that form a particular pattern that we class together as an emotion?
Many people say that hate is just a higher form of dislike, some say it is impossible to realy hate someone. I think you have to be in a situation or have a series of events happen to truely know hate and all other emotions.In a time when we are supposed to be calmer and more intouch with our feelings, we are supposed to be a nicer society. I think this is all part of "the plan" to make us more submissive, can you realy hate? Oh yes.
Do we teach our young to hate? I hear kids spew out all the time "I hate you!" I don't recall many people going around screaming I hate you and I am sure it happens...but kids tend to use that phrase more.
Well don't you need love, to know what hate is? If there isn't love, you wouldn't be able to compare to something, thus you wouldn't realise what hate was!And it is vice versa. You need hate to be able to love. If you didn't hate, you wouldn't have anything to compare, to make it feel like love! Comprendo? HeeheeIt's a bit like Yin-Yang!! Evil - Kind.. Dark - Light.. Black - White.
Oh wait sorry.. I may have gone a bit off track!
I do not see hate as an extension of dislike, and I think it often has more to do with fear. Detestation is extreme dislike, but hate is something else.You don't need to destroy someone or something that you merely dislike, or even detest them; you simply avoid them. You do need to destroy that which you fear. To hate someone, you usually fear they are out to destroy you, which you fear, and so need to destroy them.It is true that the alienation that starts with dislike or detestation can develop into distrust, which them develops into fear and hatred; so dislike may be a seed that creates an environment for the fear that leads to hatred, but I don't think you can have true hatred without that element of fear.
I have never thought anyone was out to destroy me, but i do know hate.
Quote from: paul.fr on 23/05/2007 09:35:54I have never thought anyone was out to destroy me, but i do know hate.There you have an advantage over me, if advantage it be, because I cannot feel that I can rightly say I have ever hated anybody.
I agree in part, George. Some hatred does need or stem from fear, but it can also be straightforward hatred nothing to do with fear. The fear factor would only come in to play if you thought someone was out to destroy you, like you said.
OK, I would ask the following:Is the hatred returned in kind, or is it unrequited?
Secondly, does the hatred include an element to desire harm upon the person (I don't mean that you have serious criminal intents upon them, only that if you had the opportunity to cause some slight harm, or to undermine them in some small way, would you do so)? Do you believe that they, whether you feel they hate you or not, would choose to undermine you in any way?
I should add that hatred can be a habitual thing, where a past fear was converted into hatred, and lingered as such even when the thing you once feared no longer gives rational reason to be feared, but the memory of that fear still lingers.
Okay, now I am going to twist this around so you can look at this scenario. If they know them, is murder hate? Is it hate if they don't know the person and murders? Can murder occur through hate or pure destestion, dislike, or what?
Yes, but they will call some of the crime committed through murder a "hate crime" such as murder with racism involved..... You are right Paul, the reason to murder could be endless. (I really need to quit reading these type of books...lol)
but not all racism is related to fear. Racism can be taught, the children of far right groups (NF, C18, BNP) do not fear, it is pure hatred, the Hitler youth were not taught to fear, just hate. religious factions do not fear, they just hate.
Okay, now I am going to twist this around so you can look at this scenario. If they know them, is murder hate? Is it hate if they don't know the person and murders? Can murder occur through hate or pure detestion, dislike, or what?
Quote from: moonfire on 24/05/2007 04:42:27Okay, now I am going to twist this around so you can look at this scenario. If they know them, is murder hate? Is it hate if they don't know the person and murders? Can murder occur through hate or pure detestion, dislike, or what?I think HAte in the case of random murdering is based on self hate more then anything I do not think there is always the hate of the victim. I believe that people become so overcome by fear of what they don't understand in their own mind that they misinterpret feelings and memories and begin lashing out at themselves and sometimes I think they try to use their actions as a way to get help because they know no other way! So demented but I have seen it often.. I don't understand it but have seen it!
Racism can be a hate crime, but racism is not always due to fear.
Where racism does not involve fear, then I don't believe it involves hate.Yes, racism can include one person dehumanising another, and just as little boys might catch and pull the legs off a spider, so maybe someone might consider it of no consequence to kill a person of another race, but there is no hate in either action.
But George, it does not matter what you think, or what any of us think. Unless you are a racist, a bigot, homophobic... you can not know if hate is a factor. You can believe, we may all want to believe that hate is not involved. But you don't know.
As for the spider analogy, i would put that down to a little boys curiosity. Little and big boys, may get a kick out of killing spiders or cats but that does not mean they hate spiders or cats. They are curious and sick. There is no hate involved. But that is not what the questioner is asking.
The question is "Is it possible for us to know what hate is really or the closest thing we can possibly do with feelings in our emotional range?"Like any question such as this, how you define hate, love...is not what i or another will define it as. The Hitler youth were taught to hate, but that was not based on fear. The government needed someone to blame for Germany's problems and the Jews were an easy target for them. Hitler did not fear the Jews, he thought they were the lowest race and not worthy, Life unworthy of life.
No problem. I have sent out a few questions on hate as I don't believe hate is possible or rather in a defined way..most people have a hard time explaining it when I ask them. This does not have to be a long debate as it is a choice a person makes to answer the question or not. I just don't want to make anyone feel that they are forced to answer this as there IS no expert on defining hate. I did call a few of my old colleagues who I used to work with and 2 are Psychologists and a Psychiarist...funny, even their definitions are not clearly defined either. I am not taken offense, I am just wanting an answer. I clearly appreciate all answers here. I just have a very curious mind. :-)I was told by one of my past esteemed colleagues that hate is a varying root to many humanistic emotional evils...LOL Such as fear, dislike to a higher degree, but there is no way to measure hate on any scales.