[alancalverd]

But the values are different if you think once you die, you cease to exist.

Plenty of atheists believe in an afterlife. And I guess a lot of priests hope there isn't one.

[alancalverd]

Creation scientists, don't like the theory of evolution because it leads to what they think is a lesser sense of human dignity.

It's a curious form of dignity that preaches hatred of the intellect and denial of the obvious.

Evolution is not a theory, it's an everyday observation. Darwin merely hypothesised the underlying mechanism.

[Europan Ocean]

Religion and spirituality can make it harder to call others sub human. All of us are equal before the cross. It is for all races and classes...

Can you cite an example of that working- where  a war was stopped because someone pointed at the Bible and said "We are all brothers" or something?.
Or is it just wishful thinking?

I think it was Christian for the US constitution to come by: "All men are equal."

It was largely written by slave owners.
But, of course, that's OK. Christianity didn't have  a problem with that.
Well, not until civilisation pointed out that the Book was morally wrong.

(You do know that the Bible tells you where to get your slave and how to keep them, don't you?)

The present day Pope aims to keep peaceful relations with the Muslims and inside the community of Catholics and other Christians. The Catholics and Pentecostals are struggling in China, and there is much persecution in Nigeria and other countries. The churches care but we don't like the idea of fighting much. I think some of the Christians are sick of all this but would want the regular army to protect them and otherwise what can they do? Can they buy armoured vehicles?

In old Europe efforts were made to keep nations from fighting each other. By mistake one army attacked the Hungarians mistaking them for Turks.

One has to look back a long way, I think to the time when the tribe of Benjamin became corrupt. They were wiped out in anger, but then they realised they'd gone too far and tore their robes, and looked into it and found some had been away from the city at the time and they were able to restart their numbers.

Old Christian Europe had some unity, sometimes for the benefit of Spain and sometimes for Hungary when Christians were attacked. In Northern Ireland the only helps I have heard them receive are Christian peace makers. I can remember the name Alister E McGrath. I heard others preach but did not take down their names.

WW2 army chaplains convinced some German soldiers to give up. Bonhoeffer sided against his own country's government while loving Germany. Not all Germans were Nazis. Some Christians were traitors and the Pope in the war was weak.

St Francis was amazing in his day. 12th century.

I think but I am not sure if the RCC and the Greek Orthodox despite the old world lack of grace and love managed to avoid fighting with swords in hand.

Of course William Wilberforce and his young team and their fellow petitioners saw more in Africans than slaves.

True the Old Testament, was directed to the hard hearted Hebrews, but the New Testament, book of Philemon calls slaves in some cases, "brothers". Paul did not want to start a fight, but wanted the whole of Rome to turn slowly.

Jesus was said to be, one man, dying for the nation instead of many dying. He is the grand example.

David Brainerd stands out in US history as a back bone of education example, as missionary to the native Americans where he lived.

The US constitution was an example, when being written of ideals put forward to be the way of the near and distant future. Eventually in the North and then the south slavery ended.

The US and Australia are similar, the ethnicity, the language and parts of culture, and yet there is more crime and violence there in the US and more prisons, tougher sentences. There are big pockets of very lovely civil life. But there is Chicago and once upon a time the Bronx. The police are rough in the US. In Australia without riots people protesting for change here for the Aboriginals, such as the prisoners. Over here life is less violent, including our history, especially locally. Australia was formed after the English Enlightenment. We had historical revival of faith. A time with no crime rate as Barry Chant writes. To the point that somehow we don't have much problem with slavery as they do in the States.

A woman in Brisbane fell victim to a pimp. He learned from a pimp text book based on the East European and US models, of violently intimidating a woman. But she made it through.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/pimp-who-preyed-on-australian-women-faces-life-20140929-10nfu1.html

But slavery is not Australian. Without a heavy police presence, we don't have the underworld trade here like they do in the US even per capita. US Christians are not to blame but rather are victims, unless they were to take to arms  to go out with the law in their own hands and fight the men who kidnap their daughters.

[Europan Ocean]

But the values are different if you think once you die, you cease to exist.

Plenty of atheists believe in an afterlife. And I guess a lot of priests hope there isn't one.

Do You mean Buddhists?

[Bored chemist]

Jesus was said to be, one man, dying for the nation instead of many dying. He is the grand example.

I have bad news for you. It didn't work.

. In Northern Ireland the only helps I have heard them receive are Christian peace makers.

One of the main figures in that was Maggie- a dedicated follower of Mammon, not God.

[Bored chemist]

But slavery is not Australian.

You don't need slaves if you have convict labour.
I'm not sure how much more morally right it is.

[Europan Ocean]

Jesus was said to be, one man, dying for the nation instead of many dying. He is the grand example.

I have bad news for you. It didn't work.

. In Northern Ireland the only helps I have heard them receive are Christian peace makers.

One of the main figures in that was Maggie- a dedicated follower of Mammon, not God.

Maggie's dad and early life practice was Wesleyan. Mr Roberts was a preacher.

Jesus' generation of Israelites survived. Now they do not have to die for their sins or bring animal sacrifices.

[Bored chemist]

Maggie's dad and early life practice was Wesleyan.

So?
I also don't care what her second cousin twice removed did.

Now they do not have to die for their sins

They never really did.

[Europan Ocean]

But slavery is not Australian.

You don't need slaves if you have convict labour.
I'm not sure how much more morally right it is.

After Federation, I do not think we had convict labourers. Point is, Australia and the US are similar and yet pimping is a bigger industry in the US. It is not something about the presence of the faithful that energises it. Unless maybe over tolerance?

[Bored chemist]

Australia and the US are similar and yet pimping is a bigger industry in the US.

Well, Perhaps that's because the US population is about 74% Christian (with about 18 % atheists) while the Australian population is about 52% Christian (with about 30% atheists).

[alancalverd]

Religion and spirituality can make it harder to call others sub human.

The one thing all religions have in common is that each one teaches you to despise all the others.

The sooner the national curriculum drops "religious tolerance" in favor of intellect and logic, the better. Meanwhile, as a brief interlude in the Catholic-Protestant war, we have Sunnis and Shias killing one another and Boko Haram taking schoolgirls into slavery for the greater glory of the Abrahamic God and his Prophet. India and Pakistan having been partitioned on religious grounds, the slaughter continues from time to time.

Religion, of course, deals with eternal truths and unchanging morality. Such as whether women are fit to be priests and whether priests should molest children.

[Europan Ocean]

Australia and the US are similar and yet pimping is a bigger industry in the US.

Well, Perhaps that's because the US population is about 74% Christian (with about 18 % atheists) while the Australian population is about 52% Christian (with about 30% atheists).

How does this make a difference to crime rates?

[Bored chemist]

How does this make a difference to crime rates?

It does it ironically.

[Petrochemicals]

the model of such pimping is taking off well in the US, Mexico and the Philippines.

...all deeply Christian countries, as were the homelands of the black slave traders. And AFAIK the tribal elders who sold their kinsmen into slavery were deeply religious too. 

Looking back with the eyes of today. The slaves of yesteryear where war prisoners, better to be a slave than given no quarter. This was endemic among all peoples.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_quarter

Among other lovely mindsets of yesteryear, genocide ok if you won the war, killing unwanted babies, starvation for economics, virtual slavery of the lower classes, etc.

[Bored chemist]

The slaves of yesteryear where war prisoners,

Really?  I thought they were travelers' children.

Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.

46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever:

But, I guess that's only what the Bible says, so there's no reason to take it seriously.

[Europan Ocean]

These days slaves are drawn from whichever young women are most attractive and not sufficiently protected.

The US is a big country, and the language and culture comes from England and Europe. But it has it's own developments amidst a lot of violence and racism. There are many drivers and buyers of slaves. From a culture of violence and hot media. 50% in the US live at or below the poverty line. The prisons are full. Despite them being our cousins they are a unique country.

What option do they have for elections and, what do they do if unemployed? There are villains there. I don't know what the church can do other than protect youth and reform some of the villains who had faith.

[Bored chemist]

These days slaves are drawn from whichever young women are most attractive and not sufficiently protected.

Not really. though that's part of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_21st_century

What option do they have for elections

Anyone but Trump.
But he's the one exploiting religion.

Simplistically, he's the one keeping the churches open during a a plague whereas science wants them closed.
Religion is putting people in danger, and Trump is exploiting it- with the collusion of the churches.

The evil man is the religious one.

[alancalverd]

In most recent slavery prosecutions in the UK the victims were middle-aged men "employed" as farm laborers. 'Twas ever thus.   

[Bored chemist]

These days slaves are drawn from whichever young women are most attractive and not sufficiently protected.

Nope.
"In the year ending March 2019, where the age and sex of the victim were known in modern slavery offences, the data showed 58% were male and 42% were female (Table 23)."
from
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/modernslaveryintheuk/march2020

Why do you persist in putting forward your views on a science site, in spite of the reality that the facts don't agree with you?

[Europan Ocean]

These days slaves are drawn from whichever young women are most attractive and not sufficiently protected.

Not really. though that's part of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_21st_century

What option do they have for elections

Anyone but Trump.
But he's the one exploiting religion.

Simplistically, he's the one keeping the churches open during a a plague whereas science wants them closed.
Religion is putting people in danger, and Trump is exploiting it- with the collusion of the churches.

The evil man is the religious one.

I thought the churches in the USA were closed. I remember seeing one preacher in a mug shot for attending church.