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The hoax believers or conspiracy theorists cite all kinds of evidence.For example, they point out that in all the photographs that supposedly show the astronauts on the airless surface of the Moon, you can't see the stars in the blck sky. The explanation is simple - even today's best film cannot simultaneously show both a very bright object (white spacesuit in sunlight) and a very faint object (star). Story Mugrave, an astronaut who has flown in the Space Shuttle six times, said that whenever he was outside the Shuttle in the bright sunlight, he couldn't see the stars either. But when the Shuttle was in the shadow of the Earth and his eyes had time to get adapted to the darker environment, he could then see the stars. As for the astronauts on the Moon, their short missions were all timed to land during the Moon's day (which lasts about 14 Earth days), so that they could see what they were doing.The hoax believers also point out that in the photos, the shadows of the astronauts and their various pieces of scientific apparatus on the Moon's surface are not quite parallel. They should be parallel, these doubters claim, if lit only a single distant light source such as the Sun. This is true - but only if you have both a level surface and are operating in three dimensions. Once you have a rolling surface, and try to show 3-dimensionsal reality in a flat 2-dimensional photograph, the shadows will fall in different directions.They conspiracy theorists also claim that the ripple seen in the still photos in the American flag on the Moon is proof that the movie was faked in a movie studio, because only moving air can make a flag ripple. This is silly for a few reasons. First, there is no wind in a movie studio - unless the wind machine is switched on. Second, if there was enough wind in a movie studio to ripple the flag, it would have also moved the dust at their feet. But most importantly and third, the ripple was an accident. The workshops at the Manned Spacecraft Center attached a nylon American flag to vertical and horizontal bars. These bars could telescope out, to save room when they were stored before they were used. Armstrong and Aldrin had trouble extending the horizontal telescoping rod, and could not pull it all the way out. This gave the flag a ripple. It "looked" realistic, so later Apollo crews intentionally left the horizontal rod partially retracted.In fact, the wobbling flag that you can see in the movie helps prove that they were on the Moon. It wobbles because they have just set it up. And it continues to wobble for a little while in a very unusual fashion. This is because there is no air on the Moon that would quickly damp down the movement of the flag, and because of the gravity is one-sixth of our gravity on Earth.But the incontrovertible proof that we did go to the Moon are the 382 kilograms of Moon rocks, that have been examined by thousands of independent geologists around the world. These rocks have been compared to a few dozen Moon rocks that were blasted by impacts off the Moon and that have landed in Antarctica, and to some Moon rocks that were recovered by robot Soviet explorers. These rocks all match. They are very low in water, and riddled with strange tiny holes from millions of years of exposure to cosmic rays on the airless surface of the Moon. The Moon rocks are very different from Earth rocks, and could not be faked by any current technology. To make fake Moon rocks, we could have to squash them at about a thousand atmospheres, keep them at about 1,100 oC for a few years, and then cool them slowly for a few more years while keeping them under pressure all that time. And then, the NASA scientists back in 1969 would have to have worked out what new dating methods would be invented over the next 30 years, and add those elements in the exact proportions needed.After looking at all the evidence, I prefer to follow the words of the 1937 Nobel Prize winner in Medicine, Albert Szent-Gyorgyi, "The Apollo flights demand that the word 'impossible' be struck from the scientific dictionary. They are the greatest encouragement for the human spirit." © Karl S. Kruszelnicki Pty Ltd 2004.
I can't get the link to work.Anyway, I can't see the stars at the moment because it's daylight. Were they taking pictures on the moon in the dark?
As far as the stars in the sky go, try this sometime. Go outside during a full moon and take a picture of it. How many stars do you see near the moon? Likely, you won't see any because the moon is so much brighter than the nearby stars and the camera will either adjust to the increased amount of light by dimming everything or it won't adjust and you'll just get a washed out image. Dick
our earth is FACEING AWAY from our galaxyLast time I checked we were inside out galaxy. Facing away from something your inside is a new concept for me.
we are on the edge of out solar system
HERE WE GO AGAIN.
Quotewe are on the edge of out solar systemIf we're on the edge, where does that put Mars, Jupitr, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto and simlar objects and the Oort cloud?!? You should take your own advice on being careful about what you post!But I will agree we face outwards (away from the sun) at night... that's how we define night.However, none of this has anything to do with our position in the GALAXY (we are in it but near the edge). Nor, has this position anything to do with observations during Solar Eclipses.
here is another point.. how could they get on the moon without crashing? they have ONE jet engine. and each passenger is seated on a different spot, so that would mean the craft would tilt and well... CRASH. there is NASA footage of armstrong trying to control something like that in the sky here on earth, each attempt failed and he got out at the last second. basically what they did was shoot those guys in orbit for a week, make a video to the retarded public (who most still will not question their government) and tell everybody this impossible lie and its over with. *woohoo we are the first on the moon* was it really that important? who stood to gain?
umm, when we look at a fool moon, our earth is FACEING AWAY from our galaxy...
Jolly's claim was that they never reached the moon and nor will they ever reach it. It wasn't just that they never reached the moon, Jolly's claim was that it is impossible to get to the moon.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 31/05/2007 20:06:28our earth is FACEING AWAY from our galaxyLast time I checked we were inside out galaxy. Facing away from something your inside is a new concept for me.lol? maybe you should read up on our solar system my friend, we are on the edge of out solar system, and during the day we face into the middle of it, but during the night we face away from it.. always. think a little bit more before you place a comment
Quote from: zoofreakz on 29/05/2007 23:07:10here is another point.. how could they get on the moon without crashing? they have ONE jet engine. and each passenger is seated on a different spot, so that would mean the craft would tilt and well... CRASH. there is NASA footage of armstrong trying to control something like that in the sky here on earth, each attempt failed and he got out at the last second. basically what they did was shoot those guys in orbit for a week, make a video to the retarded public (who most still will not question their government) and tell everybody this impossible lie and its over with. *woohoo we are the first on the moon* was it really that important? who stood to gain? the Eagle did nearly crash. At two thousand feet the alarms went off. This time it was a 1201. Another overload alarm. Kranz shouted at Bales "Guido what about it?". "Go, just go" came the response.The message was passed on a quarter of a million miles "We're go, Eagle, hang tight we're go". At thirteen hundred feet, Neil Armstrong took manual control of the Eagle. The computers had done their bit now it was down to Armstrong to fly to the moon's surface. Looking out of the small window, he expected to see the same surface features that he had seen in dozens of flight simulations. They weren't there. Eagle had overflown the landing site by four miles. Armstrong was looking at a boulder filled crater and his spaceship was running out of fuel.As Armstrong flew the ship Aldrin called out the numbers, altitude, speed, fuel. There was nowhere to land. Armstrong pitched the Eagle to the left and spotted a site where the boulders thinned out. Eagle only had 90 seconds of fuel left. Having got this far they were perilously close to aborting the mission.Mission control could see the fuel was down to sixty seconds and couldn't understand why the Eagle had not landed. Kranz keyed his mike, "This is flight, you'd better remind them there ain't no gas stations on the moon." This message was relayed to Eagle in three words, "Eagle thirty seconds". Aldrin's hand hovered over the abort button. They were now only 50 feet above the moon but their fuel was almost exhausted. In Houston a sense of panic was setting in. The Eagle was now too close to the moon's surface to abort. By the time the ascent engines kicked in they would have crashed on the moon. They had no get out clause and no fuel. Everyone listened to the astronauts words,"Two and a half down""Kicking up some dust""Faint shadow""Four forward""Drifting to the right a little""Contact light""Okay engine stop...descent engine command override off"Houston responded "we copy you down Eagle".All the consoles showed that they had landed but Houston needed voice confirmation. Neil Armstrong allowed himself a second to catch his breath and then sent word home.Three seconds and two hundred and fifty thousand miles later his voice came through at mission control, "Houston, Tranquility Base here. The Eagle has landed".
Then for stage two, You will need to sit a psycological exam with my assosiate EDAM, do not fear, for I shall translate to you, what EDAM has telepathically said!
QuoteThen for stage two, You will need to sit a psycological exam with my assosiate EDAM, do not fear, for I shall translate to you, what EDAM has telepathically said!Now you're getting really cheesy
Clearly the issue here is not about the science, but about who the science comes from.Some people involved in this discussion do not trust reports that come from NASA, and therefore cannot be convinced that there was ever a manned moon landing.Those who do trust NASA's reports have only NASA's own research, or research that subsequently came from data or material collected by NASA, to use to try and convince the others.A decision has been reached as to what is the 'truth' by both parties, and evidence from either will not be considered rationally.Therefore, this discussion is at a stalemate, and as such has become an arguement.Time to move on?
I must warn against annoying them, they take it all so personnally!....lol
QuoteI must warn against annoying them, they take it all so personnally!....lol JollyI think you would find that almost every other forum out there would have deleted all of your Moon threads and banned you permanatly by now.
I know your're desperate to ban me for life!
QuoteI know your're desperate to ban me for life!Not so sure.... one thing Jolly's post do accomplish is that they force people to look for evidence/physical manifestations of effects they 'know'. As far as I can see none of Jolly's arguments have ever gone un-answered, though because of the outlandish nature of some his claims, we've had to think hard in looking for and explaining the counter-evience.An agent provocateur has his uses....?