Is the mind intended to serve the will?

alancalverd · « **Reply #40 on:** 02/09/2020 19:18:44 »

The most fundamental and universal implementation of will is surely the will to live. This does not require a central nervous system as plants, octopuses and single-cell flora and fauna demonstrate it.

The brain gives us advantages in realising the will to live by allowing animals to evaluate alternative strategies.

Bored chemist · « **Reply #41 on:** 02/09/2020 19:34:39 »

Quote from: yovav on 31/08/2020 12:03:35

I can not separate mind from thought because we are in one system.
At the same time the question is what affects what, what is the source and what is the result.

You have changed the age old question of "which came first, chicken or egg?" into "which came first egg or egg?"

Kryptid · « **Reply #42 on:** 02/09/2020 21:06:02 »

Quote from: yovav on 31/08/2020 04:31:36

We are sure that the brain is the source that operates independently and activates all the organs.

Our heart beats without the brain telling it to.

Bored chemist · « **Reply #43 on:** 02/09/2020 21:47:39 »

Quote from: Kryptid on 02/09/2020 21:06:02

Quote from: yovav on 31/08/2020 04:31:36
We are sure that the brain is the source that operates independently and activates all the organs.

Our heart beats without the brain telling it to.

And gut motility and reflexes...

alancalverd · « **Reply #44 on:** 03/09/2020 09:35:03 »

And autonomic respiration....

yovav · « **Reply #45 on:** 05/09/2020 01:05:55 »

Quote from: Bored chemist on 02/09/2020 19:34:39

ou have changed the age old question of "which came first, chicken or egg?" into "which came first egg or egg?"

And what do you think about it? Who do you think is the source and what is the result?

yovav · « **Reply #46 on:** 05/09/2020 01:06:46 »

Quote from: alancalverd on 03/09/2020 09:35:03

And autonomic respiration

explanation please

yovav · « **Reply #47 on:** 05/09/2020 01:08:34 »

Quote from: alancalverd on 02/09/2020 19:18:44

The most fundamental and universal implementation of will is surely the will to live. This does not require a central nervous system as plants, octopuses and single-cell flora and fauna demonstrate it.

The brain gives us advantages in realising the will to live by allowing animals to evaluate alternative strategies.

So in the end do you agree that the mind serves the will?

Bored chemist · « **Reply #48 on:** 05/09/2020 01:28:24 »

Quote from: yovav on 04/07/2020 10:27:53

I think this is a clarification that science has not finished giving answers yet

This is good

And the important bit is at about 1 minute 50 seconds.
It's only a few seconds, be careful not to miss it.

yovav · « **Reply #49 on:** 05/09/2020 05:48:13 »

Quote from: Bored chemist on 05/09/2020 01:28:24

It's only a few seconds, be careful not to miss it.

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Bored chemist · « **Reply #50 on:** 05/09/2020 12:24:15 »

Quote from: yovav on 05/09/2020 01:06:46

Quote from: alancalverd on 03/09/2020 09:35:03
And autonomic respiration
explanation please

People breathe. They do that even when the brain's not working .

Quote from: yovav on 05/09/2020 01:05:55

Quote from: Bored chemist on 02/09/2020 19:34:39
ou have changed the age old question of "which came first, chicken or egg?" into "which came first egg or egg?"
And what do you think about it? Who do you think is the source and what is the result?

The question is meaningless.

alancalverd · « **Reply #51 on:** 05/09/2020 14:15:43 »

Quote from: yovav on 05/09/2020 01:06:46

Quote from: alancalverd on 03/09/2020 09:35:03
And autonomic respiration
explanation please

You can think about and control your breathing, but you carry on breathing even when you aren't thinking about it - the system responds very quickly to increased CO2 levels, which is why mouth-to-mouth resuscitation (and anesthetic rebreathing) is so effective - your exhaled CO2 triggers the patient's autonomic response. Likewise the heart.

alancalverd · « **Reply #52 on:** 05/09/2020 14:18:01 »

Quote from: yovav on 05/09/2020 01:05:55

Who do you think is the source and what is the result?

My parents
Me.

yovav · « **Reply #53 on:** 05/09/2020 14:18:13 »

Quote from: Bored chemist on 05/09/2020 12:24:15

The question is meaningless.

I do not think so but this is probably related to perception

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