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Can heat affect Earth's rotation?

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Re: Can heat affect Earth's rotation?
« Reply #420 on: 18/10/2020 11:06:58 »
Apologies - I haven't read all 454 responses to this thread, so this may be covered already. But my small contribution:
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Can heat affect Earth's rotation?
As the Earth's atmosphere warms, it expands. This expansion slows down the rotation of the atmosphere, which couples to the rotation of the Earth.

The effect is small but measurable over long periods.

See: https://astronomynow.com/2015/06/30/nasa-explains-why-30-june-will-get-an-extra-leapsecond/
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Re: Can heat affect Earth's rotation?
« Reply #421 on: 18/10/2020 18:58:36 »
Quote from: Jaaanosik on 18/10/2020 04:16:08
The CD players system will start to translate in the direction of this angular momentum.
Do you agree?
You're confusing linear momentum with angular momentum.  No, I do not agree.

The angular momentum of the players is zero at first, and since it is a conserved quantity, the only way it can acquire angular momentum is via external torque, which you say is being applied to it (the presumably force arrows in the picture).
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Re: Can heat affect Earth's rotation?
« Reply #422 on: 19/10/2020 14:19:09 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 17/10/2020 17:11:31
Quote from: puppypower on 17/10/2020 13:33:30
I envision the rotation of the huge and heavy iron core, dragging the rest of the earth through viscoelastic friction. If I placed a drill  mixer in the center of a bucket of fluid, the friction at the center will cause the entire bucket of liquid to move with the mixer. If I rotate the bucket at the same time, as log as the bucket is going slower than the mixer, it will be dragged along by the mixer.
Only because friction with the Earth stops this  happening.

And, isolated in space, there's no way that can happen to the \Earth, is there?
Quote from: puppypower on 17/10/2020 13:33:30
It is based on the magnetic side of the EM force
Bollocks.
Oxygen atoms and oxide ions are non magnetic.
Quote from: puppypower on 17/10/2020 13:33:30
The oxidation of the iron core, via ionic water; hydrogen and oxygen, shifts the EM force to the magnetic side; earth's magnetic field.
The sort of hogwash we would expect from someone who thinks that a 30% drop in GDP is a sign of a good economy.
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=80578.msg615231#msg615231

And that homoeopathy works
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=80667.msg615361#msg615361

Follow my logic. Oxide is O-2, which means it has two more electrons than protons. If only the electrostatic force was active, this would not be stable due to the charge imbalance. The reason this change imbalance is stable is because moving elections within orbital addition; octet rule, have a magnetic component to balance this out. 

A moving electron creates a magnetic field. The magnetic fields of moving electrons, adding via the orbitals, binds the extra two electrons of O-2 together. This enhanced magnetic aspect of the EM force can overcome the electrostatic repulsion, within the same EM force. We do not measure a substantial magnetic field from O-2 since the octet cancels the field via vector addition. This stability holds the extra electrons.

It is not clear how this magnetic affect, needed to stabilize O-2, multiples into the magnetic field. However, a wild card may be a metallic water phase boundary. Metals, including metallic water  are excellent conductors. Metallic water may conduct both electrons and protons. This will lower the magnetic ratio of the O-2 matrix, for an external amplification. Surface O2 feels the push and becomes ripe for adding electrons.
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Re: Can heat affect Earth's rotation?
« Reply #423 on: 19/10/2020 16:01:52 »
Quote from: puppypower on 19/10/2020 14:19:09
Follow my logic.
You don't have any.
You are trying to rewrite the whole of chemistry- without the benefit of understanding it.
Quote from: puppypower on 19/10/2020 14:19:09
It is not clear how this magnetic affect, needed to stabilize O-2, multiples into the magnetic field
The reason that it is  "unclear" is that it is tosh you have made up.
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Re: Can heat affect Earth's rotation?
« Reply #424 on: 23/10/2020 01:21:35 »
Quote from: Halc on 18/10/2020 18:58:36
Quote from: Jaaanosik on 18/10/2020 04:16:08
The CD players system will start to translate in the direction of this angular momentum.
Do you agree?
You're confusing linear momentum with angular momentum.  No, I do not agree.

The angular momentum of the players is zero at first, and since it is a conserved quantity, the only way it can acquire angular momentum is via external torque, which you say is being applied to it (the presumably force arrows in the picture).

Are you saying the CD players system will not move int the direction of the angular acceleration?
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Re: Can heat affect Earth's rotation?
« Reply #425 on: 23/10/2020 13:29:35 »

Quote from: Jaaanosik on 23/10/2020 01:21:35
Are you saying the CD players system will not move int the direction of the angular acceleration?

Unless something changes the angular momentum, there is no angular acceleration.
The only thing that can change the angular momentum is a torque.
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Re: Can heat affect Earth's rotation?
« Reply #426 on: 23/10/2020 16:46:29 »
Quote from: Jaaanosik on 23/10/2020 01:21:35
Are you saying the CD players system will not move int the direction of the angular acceleration?
In the absence of pre-existing motion in that direction, or a net force accelerating it in that direction, of course the system will not move in that direction.  Such would be a violation of Newton's first law.
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