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Does Dark Matter influence Atomic Matter?

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Re: Does Dark Matter influence Atomic Matter?
« Reply #20 on: 17/02/2021 22:23:09 »
Quote from: ron123456 on 15/02/2021 20:59:34
Appreciate some gravitation terminology: Please correct if I'm incorrect....The gravitational strength is actually the gravitational field strength which would be a property of the object exerting the gravitational force....
Under Newtonian mechanics, the gravitational strength is expressed as an acceleration which is a function of mass and the distance from that mass.  A = GM/r˛ which works out to 9.8 m/sec˛ here on the surface of Earth.

Under relativity, gravitational strength is expressed as a stress energy tensor which describes the curvature of spacetime in the vicinity of mass.

Quote from: ron123456 on 17/02/2021 20:13:46
Does our motion affect what I'm asking? I have read that the motion of the observer affects (x,y,z,t)?
Neither are coordinate system dependent, so no.
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Re: Does Dark Matter influence Atomic Matter?
« Reply #21 on: 19/02/2021 14:16:32 »
Thx again .....I suspect dark matter has a 2D influence on all gravitational field tensors when passing through masses and this would be based on galaxies eventually having a tendency to be conglomerate in sheets as opposed to just randomly...
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Re: Does Dark Matter influence Atomic Matter?
« Reply #22 on: 19/02/2021 19:28:18 »
Quote from: ron123456 on 19/02/2021 14:16:32
Thx again .....I suspect dark matter has a 2D influence on all gravitational field tensors when passing through masses and this would be based on galaxies eventually having a tendency to be conglomerate in sheets as opposed to just randomly...
Dark matter is mass like any other mass and is described the same way with the stress energy tensor.
Ordinary matter particles tend to conglomerate because they interact with each other through the other three forces and slow each other down. Dark matter doesn't interact in this way and thus tends to maintain its energy levels indefinitely (no losses to radiation or friction).
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Re: Does Dark Matter influence Atomic Matter?
« Reply #23 on: 20/02/2021 20:08:29 »
If there is no type of radiation of energy in dark matter, then is it possible that dark matter simply has a floating ground state due to any input of energy?
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Re: Does Dark Matter influence Atomic Matter?
« Reply #24 on: 21/02/2021 18:21:29 »
Just chatting ( and rambling on ): (Just Chat allows?)
Probably the type of mass involved in dark matter has nothing that spins and thus cannot set up proper energy levels and thus has only a ground state susceptible to energy fluctuations......Perhaps spin is time dependent and dark matter formed after atomic matter when things cooled beyond what spin required?....
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Re: Does Dark Matter influence Atomic Matter?
« Reply #25 on: 21/02/2021 19:48:05 »
Quote from: ron123456 on 21/02/2021 18:21:29
Just chatting ( and rambling on ): (Just Chat allows?)
Probably the type of mass involved in dark matter has nothing that spins and thus cannot set up proper energy levels and thus has only a ground state susceptible to energy fluctuations......Perhaps spin is time dependent and dark matter formed after atomic matter when things cooled beyond what spin required?....

Could Dark Matter particles always "spin" in the opposite direction to Atomic Matter.

And if "spin" is time-dependent, as you suggest, mightn't this universal DM/AM opposite-spinning, cancel out the effects of Time, in the Universe as a whole.  So that the Universe keeps on existing, in a timeless "Steady State". 

 Mightn't that explain the puzzling Hubble Telescope photographs of the most remote galaxies

 The photographs show far-distant galaxies as they were, many billions of years ago. Not long after the "Big Bang". So they might be expected to look "primitive", rather "chaotic" and roughly-formed.

Yet - is it true, that they don't look like that at all? Rather they're quite similar to close-by galaxies, such the M.31 Andromeda galaxy.  They're neat, well-organised spirals.

Could that be because of DM/AM interactions across the Universe?




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Re: Does Dark Matter influence Atomic Matter?
« Reply #26 on: 23/02/2021 20:13:58 »
Charles asks: Could Dark Matter always spin in the opposite direction to Atomic Matter? That wasn't exactly what I stated, but perhaps even more interesting? Does Galaxy A1689-zD1 (700 million years after the Big Bang) agree with this?...thx
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Re: Does Dark Matter influence Atomic Matter?
« Reply #27 on: 23/02/2021 20:56:47 »
Quote from: ron123456 on 21/02/2021 18:21:29
Just chatting ( and rambling on ): (Just Chat allows?)
Probably the type of mass involved in dark matter has nothing that spins and thus cannot set up proper energy levels and thus has only a ground state susceptible to energy fluctuations......Perhaps spin is time dependent and dark matter formed after atomic matter when things cooled beyond what spin required?....

"Spin" has nothing to do with it.  The neutrino has a spin of 1/2 and  is basically a type of "Dark matter". It has a mass but does not interact via the electromagnetic interaction.  It would be the type of Dark Matter known as a WIMP ( Weakly Interacting Massive Particle.) 
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Re: Does Dark Matter influence Atomic Matter?
« Reply #28 on: 24/02/2021 22:03:48 »
Is a neutrino not simply just a lepton with the following characteristics:
"The mass of the neutrino is much smaller than that of the other known elementary particles. The weak force has a very short range, the gravitational interaction is extremely weak, and neutrinos do not participate in the strong interaction. Thus, neutrinos typically pass through normal matter unimpeded and undetected."
…….But the neutrino still has gravity.....I guess WIMP.....
Despite the similarity and spin 1/2:
"The mechanics of the infinitely small say that a nucleus can exist only in a limited number of states characterized by an energy level, in the same way that atomic electrons belong to specific layers associated to a limited number of energy levels."
.....I'm trying to ask, that without a firm ground state: would there will be no transitioning due to a floating ground state in dark matter. Despite the similarity to a neutrino, the cause may defer between the two with dark matter mass never having any spin.....



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Re: Does Dark Matter influence Atomic Matter?
« Reply #29 on: 24/02/2021 22:46:57 »
Ron, you shouldn't get too involved with the fine details of current theories.

They will be soon be replaced by new theories. I predict that in 20 years' time, the whole idea of "Dark Matter" will have been consigned to the dust-bin of history.

And new students of Physics in the class of 2041, will laugh at it, but with some respect for their predecessors, who didn't know any better.  As in their time, "QX-Fields" hadn't yet been discovered.


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Re: Does Dark Matter influence Atomic Matter?
« Reply #30 on: 26/02/2021 18:34:46 »
Charles, mathematics is so important as a tool in Physics and vectors are so important when talking about Gravity, yet still, one idea may inspire. Cannot dark matter have all energy levels floating all over the place due to a floating ground energy level? There would be no excitations of any sort or release of energy of any sort....
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Re: Does Dark Matter influence Atomic Matter?
« Reply #31 on: 26/02/2021 20:43:53 »
I can even kick myself in the ***....Perhaps dark matter is simply clouds of leptons, (not spin 0 as I stated), left over from the big bang and does not interact, as Janus states, due to a floating ground energy level state?..........
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Re: Does Dark Matter influence Atomic Matter?
« Reply #32 on: 28/02/2021 18:33:58 »
Quote from: ron123456 on 26/02/2021 18:34:46
Charles, mathematics is so important as a tool in Physics and vectors are so important when talking about Gravity, yet still, one idea may inspire. Cannot dark matter have all energy levels floating all over the place due to a floating ground energy level? There would be no excitations of any sort or release of energy of any sort....

Ron, I agree with your general thrust.  Personally I doubt that "dark matter" and "dark energy" actually exist.  They're  most likely temporary inventions to paper over our lack of understanding.

To improve our understanding, we need to ask the sort of perceptive questions that you pose.
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