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How accurate were candle clocks?
« on: 06/02/2021 18:55:06 »
Our ancients used to rely very heavily on them apparently.
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Re: How accurate were candle clocks?
« Reply #1 on: 06/02/2021 20:03:15 »
For ancient societies, beeswax was very expensive.
- So modern-style candles were only for the very wealthy.
- Most people looked at the position of the Sun or stars to tell the time - much cheaper!
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Re: How accurate were candle clocks?
« Reply #2 on: 07/02/2021 00:08:08 »
Adequate for estimating elapsed time in a debate or a church service, useless for determining time of day because the indication all depends on what time you light it.
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Re: How accurate were candle clocks?
« Reply #3 on: 07/02/2021 03:39:08 »
Probably good enough to have the meals served on time.  Or a before dawn breakfast.  Maybe the timing of church prayers.  Not that much was scheduled closely until organized transportation.

Trains(fast trade) made us all organize the same time.  Working for the man.   Rat race.

Most call it industrialization, I call it fast trade.  Fast life.  The quality too, must be fast.
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Re: How accurate were candle clocks?
« Reply #4 on: 07/02/2021 04:28:26 »
Quote from: Hayseed
Not that much was scheduled closely until organized transportation.
Trains(fast trade) made us all organize the same time.
I'm afraid that more accurate timing came in a long time before the steam train - and caused social disruption at the time....

Quote from: Plautus, about 200BC
“The Gods confound the man who first found out
How to distinguish the hours
---confound him, too Who in this place set up a sundial
To cut and hack my days so wretchedly
Into small pieces
! . . . I can't (even sit down to eat) unless the sun gives leave.
The town's so full of these confounded (sun)dials . . .”
A sundial is only really accurate to the nearest hour (and the length of hours changes significantly from Summer to Winter).
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plautus
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Re: How accurate were candle clocks?
« Reply #5 on: 07/02/2021 10:08:14 »
I got bored during lockdown and wondered if I could calibrate my lux meter using an actual candle to produce a known brightness.
The results came out better than I expected- within 20% or so .
More relevantly, in making that measurement I wanted to know how fast a candle burned so I lit one + weighed it.
Here's the data

* candle mass.jpg (43.21 kB . 329x244 - viewed 3708 times)
The first column is the time, the second is the mass and the other two are rates of burning.
As you can see, they are fairly consistent. CV is about 10%
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Re: How accurate were candle clocks?
« Reply #6 on: 08/02/2021 18:00:56 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 07/02/2021 10:08:14
I got bored during lockdown and wondered if I could calibrate my lux meter using an actual candle to produce a known brightness.
The results came out better than I expected- within 20% or so .
More relevantly, in making that measurement I wanted to know how fast a candle burned so I lit one + weighed it.
Here's the data

* candle mass.jpg (43.21 kB . 329x244 - viewed 3708 times)
The first column is the time, the second is the mass and the other two are rates of burning.
As you can see, they are fairly consistent. CV is about 10%

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Re: How accurate were candle clocks?
« Reply #7 on: 08/02/2021 18:10:05 »
Here is the data from the other candle. (The thin one)

* candle mass2.jpg (86.58 kB . 893x317 - viewed 3274 times)
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Re: How accurate were candle clocks?
« Reply #8 on: 08/02/2021 19:13:33 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 08/02/2021 18:10:05
Here is the data from the other candle. (The thin one)

* candle mass2.jpg (86.58 kB . 893x317 - viewed 3274 times)

Again, a very impressive set of data.  Completely useless of course. But scientifically admirable.

You're not getting a bit obsessive about data-collection are you.

Shouldn't you, perhaps, get out more?



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Re: How accurate were candle clocks?
« Reply #9 on: 08/02/2021 19:15:06 »


Quote from: charles1948 on 08/02/2021 19:13:33
Shouldn't you, perhaps, get out more?
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Quote from: Bored chemist on 07/02/2021 10:08:14
I got bored during lockdown
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Re: How accurate were candle clocks?
« Reply #10 on: 12/02/2021 07:18:35 »
people relied on the position of the Sun to tell the time of the day, and that of the Moon to tell the time at night. However, both these methods would fail when the skies were cloudy.
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Re: How accurate were candle clocks?
« Reply #11 on: 12/02/2021 07:23:47 »
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people relied on the position of the ... Moon to tell the time at night.
I'm afraid that this only works at best half of the time.

Because half of the time, the Moon is up during the daytime...
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Re: How accurate were candle clocks?
« Reply #12 on: 13/02/2021 12:02:26 »
Hey Guys,
the reading accuracy of an hour candle is about 5-10 minutes. The thicker the candle, the less accurate the reading, as it burns more slowly. If there is a draught, this can also influence the burning speed. On the other hand, temperature differences, have no significant influence on the burning speed. So I would say it depends on the thickness of the candle.
Best regards :)
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Re: How accurate were candle clocks?
« Reply #13 on: 13/02/2021 18:38:36 »
Quote from: scientistlover1 on 13/02/2021 12:02:26
Hey Guys,
the reading accuracy of an hour candle is about 5-10 minutes. The thicker the candle, the less accurate the reading, as it burns more slowly. If there is a draught, this can also influence the burning speed. On the other hand, temperature differences, have no significant influence on the burning speed. So I would say it depends on the thickness of the candle.
Best regards :)

When you mention the problem of draughts of air affecting the burning-speed of the candle, this effect can be greatly reduced by surrounding the candle with shielding walls of glass, or horn.

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Re: How accurate were candle clocks?
« Reply #14 on: 13/02/2021 18:48:26 »
Sand timers and water clocks

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hourglass
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Re: How accurate were candle clocks?
« Reply #15 on: 13/02/2021 18:55:12 »
Quote from: scientistlover1 on 13/02/2021 12:02:26
Hey Guys,
the reading accuracy of an hour candle is about 5-10 minutes. The thicker the candle, the less accurate the reading, as it burns more slowly. If there is a draught, this can also influence the burning speed. On the other hand, temperature differences, have no significant influence on the burning speed. So I would say it depends on the thickness of the candle.
Best regards :)
I would say the oxygen content of the air, humidity and the density of the air would all affect the burn speed, the temperature would vary with the changes, they affect the internal cumbustion engine. A volume of cold dry air contains significantly more molecules than wet hot air.
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