[cleanair (OP)]

I hope that this post is appreciated on this forum. I was just banned on space.com for asking this question. Previously, a post about the big bang theory being a religion that received several serious replies was 'deleted' for questionable motives as well. As it appears, the possibility of ESP is a sensitive topic as well.


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My original post and question:

According to the CIA, ESP (Extrasensory Perception) and remote viewing are real, and while the CIA has been attempting to use the potential to serve political agenda's, if ESP and remote viewing are possible, it may provide options to speed up advancements in Cosmology.

CIA program director of Stanford Research Institute:

In my experience and according to most other researchers, it appears that an experienced psychic can answer any question that has an answer. I cannot wait to see what the future holds when we fully open the doors of our perception! It is time to accept the gift of psychic abilities. The hardware is fine; it’s the software that must be upgraded—and quickly.

Source: https://www.watkinsmagazine.com/the-reality-of-esp-a-physicists-proof-of-psychic-abilities

As it appears, it would just involve asking the right question. In the case of Cosmology, ESP may provide an unexplored opportunity for new discoveries.

Imagine having the ability to remote view a planet of an advanced civilization somewhere in the Milky Way and unlock information about technologies and potentially a location. Alternatively, imagine the ability to remote view earth in 10,000 years.

With ESP and remote viewing, time and distance appear to become non-local while conscious experience remains possible.

While some may be quick to dismiss the possibility of paranormal matters, a multi-million USD Government funded CIA remote viewing program has survived many subsequent administrations and the existence of a professional association for remote viewing that intends to secure proper use of remote viewing, provide a strong indication that ESP and remote viewing should be taken serious, and in that case, exploring its potential use for Cosmology becomes applicable.

The following documentary film (2021) provides information about the CIA program.


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https://thirdeyespies.com/ (free on YouTube)

International Remote Viewing Association | IRVA
IRVA is a non-profit, 501(c)(3) organization dedicated to promoting the responsible use and development of remote viewing.
https://www.irva.org/

An example book that addresses the subject:


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The Reality of ESP
A Physicist’s Proof of Psychic Abilities. This book, detailing its author’s many successful investigations into the paranormal, should make those who deny the possible existence of such phenomena think again”.

Author Russell Targ, of Palo Alto, California, is a physicist, author, and retired senior staff scientist from Lockheed-Martin.

https://espresearch.com/
https://www.irva.org/

Anyone can do it

It is a logical idea that ESP, remote viewing or anything paranormal require something 'special', but the film Third Eye Spies showed that they recruited regular people from the military without prior experience with anything paranormal to perform professional remote viewing, and that the least experienced persons were sometimes better at the task. 'Anyone can do it', but there are people with talent.

There is even a remote viewing conference where regular people (public) can take part in remote viewing. It is showed in the film and as it appears, students and people without prior paranormal experience were able to perform 'paranormal' remote viewing.

Question: has it ever been attempted to use ESP for Cosmology? If so, are there online references?

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According to the CIA, ESP (Extrasensory Perception) and remote viewing are real

False.

There is even a remote viewing conference where regular people (public) can take part in remote viewing.

There are also conferences for people who believe the earth is flat.

International Remote Viewing Association | IRVA
IRVA is a non-profit, 501(c)(3) organization dedicated to promoting the responsible use and development of remote viewing.

How silly is that?

Question: has it ever been attempted to use ESP for Cosmology?

Only by people who delude themselves.

[cleanair (OP)]

What about the fact that a multi-million USD Government funded CIA remote viewing program has survived many subsequent administrations?

What about the existence of a professional association for remote viewing that intends to secure proper use of remote viewing?

What about the film thirdeyespies.com? (2021)

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The above can be considered indications that ESP could be real. In that case, it may be interesting to explore potential usage for Cosmology.

If a remote viewer can view across the Earth, would the same be possible at a Galactic scale? If so: what useful information might it provide?

If ESP is suppressed while it is in fact real and usable for Cosmology, valuable time could be wasted.

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What about the fact that a multi-million USD Government funded CIA remote viewing program has survived many subsequent administrations?

Do you have evidence of this fact?

What about the existence of a professional association for remote viewing that intends to secure proper use of remote viewing?

What about the existence of a professional association of flat earth believers?

What about the film thirdeyespies.com? (2021)

It's garbage.

The above can be considered indications that ESP could be real.

No.

If a remote viewer can view across the Earth, would the same be possible at a Galactic scale? If so: what useful information might it provide?

If fairies are real, what useful information could they provide.

If ESP is suppressed while it is in fact real and usable for Cosmology, valuable time could be wasted.

If belief in fairies is suppressed while in fact they are real and usable for Cosmology, valuable time could be wasted.

Listen, the point is there is no evidence any ESP crap is real.  It is all wishful thinking.  There have been many studies and they all show it is so much tripe.

edit to fix grammar.

[cleanair (OP)]

What about the fact that a multi-million USD Government funded CIA remote viewing program has survived many subsequent administrations?

Do you have evidence of this fact?

It is cited in the film.

What about the film thirdeyespies.com? (2021)

It's garbage.

What is your basis for that claim?

What about the existence of a professional association for remote viewing that intends to secure proper use of remote viewing?

What about the existence of a professional association of flat earth believers?

The purpose of the organization is different, especially in light of the existence of half a century old Government organizations that make use of ESP and remote viewing.

The organization intends to secure 'proper use' of remote viewing.

Listen, the point is there is no evidence any ESP crap is real.  It is all wishful thinking.  There have been many studies and they all show it is so much tripe.

The following article claims the contrary:

Scientists usually define proof as overwhelming evidence, so strong that it would be logically unreasonable to deny the supported argument. Proof establishes the truth of a conclusion—such as aspirin prevents heart attacks—in which case the evidence was so strong that the National Institutes of Health stopped the experiments to avoid killing off the untreated controls. The evidence for psi is ten times stronger than the evidence that aspirin prevents heart attacks.
https://www.watkinsmagazine.com/the-reality-of-esp-a-physicists-proof-of-psychic-abilities

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The following article claims the contrary:

Scientists usually define proof as overwhelming evidence, so strong that it would be logically unreasonable to deny the supported argument. Proof establishes the truth of a conclusion—such as aspirin prevents heart attacks—in which case the evidence was so strong that the National Institutes of Health stopped the experiments to avoid killing off the untreated controls. The evidence for psi is ten times stronger than the evidence that aspirin prevents heart attacks.
https://www.watkinsmagazine.com/the-reality-of-esp-a-physicists-proof-of-psychic-abilities

Your evidence is some flaky magazine?  This is a science site, how about some peer reviewed evidence instead of some fluff piece in a trash magazine.

It is cited in the film.

That's nice could you supply the citation?

What is your basis for that claim?

There is no evidence that ESP is real so a movie that says otherwise is a crap movie (or maybe a fun sci fi movie).

[Bored chemist]

This is a  fairly compelling argument.
https://xkcd.com/808/

[cleanair (OP)]

The following article claims the contrary:

Scientists usually define proof as overwhelming evidence, so strong that it would be logically unreasonable to deny the supported argument. Proof establishes the truth of a conclusion—such as aspirin prevents heart attacks—in which case the evidence was so strong that the National Institutes of Health stopped the experiments to avoid killing off the untreated controls. The evidence for psi is ten times stronger than the evidence that aspirin prevents heart attacks.
https://www.watkinsmagazine.com/the-reality-of-esp-a-physicists-proof-of-psychic-abilities

Your evidence is some flaky magazine?  This is a science site, how about some peer reviewed evidence instead of some fluff piece in a trash magazine.

It is cited in the film.

That's nice could you supply the citation?

What is your basis for that claim?

There is no evidence that ESP is real so a movie that says otherwise is a crap movie (or maybe a fun sci fi movie).

Watkins Magazine is part of Watkins Books in London, a famous bookshop.

The citation is from Russell Targ of Palo Alto, California, a physicist and retired senior staff scientist from Lockheed-Martin.

https://espresearch.com/

What is the basis for your claim that the CIA remote viewing department didn't exist, or for example that it wasn't a Government funded multi-million R&D department at Stanford that survived many subsequent administrations?

[Bored chemist]

The US govt did work on this.
They stopped because they found it is not real.

The story is well documented, for example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Men_Who_Stare_at_Goats

The point  is that the US govt (and, presumably others) spent a lot of money looking for these effects but it did not find them.

[cleanair (OP)]

The film Third Eye Spies markets itself as 'a true story'.

Just in case that there is a grain of truth in their claims, if it could have led to advancements, for example for Cosmology, it may be considered a waste to not at least have been open for the possibility and allow investigation/exploration. As it appears, anyone can do it and one would merely need to be open for it (i.e. 'explore' it) and ask the right questions (deduced from the citation by a CIA program director in the OP).

4 administrations did believe in ESP. When it was cancelled, also the popular series X Files was cancelled. It could have been a decision based on a personal belief (e.g. atheism) or a short term profit motive.

When ESP is possible, how plausible is the idea that mind originates from the brain? Big Pharma has a multi trillion USD interest in ESP not being possible, for example.

[cleanair (OP)]

Thank you for the replies thus far.

I hope that my post may help inspire people in Cosmology to look into ESP, just in case that it might have been usable. If anyone finds valuable references, they would be welcome in this topic!

[Bored chemist]

I hope that my post may help inspire people in Cosmology to look into ESP

Which part of "it does not exist" are you failing to understand?

[cleanair (OP)]

I hope that my post may help inspire people in Cosmology to look into ESP

Which part of "it does not exist" are you failing to understand?

Such a bold claim does not seem to be fair. It is contentious at most, considering the fact that there are scientists that claim the contrary.

Keeping an open mind for what may be possible, seems to be applicable in this case.

[Bored chemist]

It is contentious at most,

Not among current scientists.

[Bored chemist]

there are scientists that claim the contrary.

Prove it.

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The film Third Eye Spies markets itself as 'a true story'.

It is just a movie so they can say it is a true story even if it isn't.  It isn't illegal to fib.

Just in case that there is a grain of truth in their claims, if it could have led to advancements, for example for Cosmology, it may be considered a waste to not at least have been open for the possibility and allow investigation/exploration. As it appears, anyone can do it and one would merely need to be open for it (i.e. 'explore' it) and ask the right questions (deduced from the citation by a CIA program director in the OP).

Nope ESP is just wishful thinking.

4 administrations did believe in ESP. When it was cancelled, also the popular series X Files was cancelled. It could have been a decision based on a personal belief (e.g. atheism) or a short term profit motive.

The x-files was canceled by atheists?

When ESP is possible, how plausible is the idea that mind originates from the brain? Big Pharma has a multi trillion USD interest in ESP not being possible, for example.

Is it time for the conspiracy theories already?

[cleanair (OP)]

Russell Targ, of Palo Alto, California, is a physicist, author, and retired senior staff scientist from Lockheed-Martin.

Retired, but it should count as a scientist, who is among many peers doing research on the subject.

Russell Targ is a physicist, author, and retired senior staff scientist from Lockheed-Martin.
https://espresearch.com/

This topic was not intended to advocate on behalf of ESP and I would not be the appropriate topic author for such a discussion. However, given the references such as the film thirdeyespies.com and for example the International Remote Viewing Association https://www.irva.org/ the mere possibility could be used for the argument that exploration of the optional use of ESP for Cosmology, may be applicable.

Better sooner than later, when it concerns the mere 'consideration' of something that may be possible and applicable.

If ESP is possible, as some scientists claim and the real world evidence (Government remote viewing program, Government funded Stanford R&D facility etc) seem to indicate...

- could ESP be used for Cosmology? If so, how?
- what information could ESP help to discover?
- could ESP be used for discovering planets of developed civilizations?

[cleanair (OP)]

The film Third Eye Spies markets itself as 'a true story'.

It is just a movie so they can say it is a true story even if it isn't.  It isn't illegal to fib.

The film is made by a physicist and retired senior staff scientist from Lockheed-Martin and many peers, who are regular scientists that worked for the Government on remote viewing.

In my opinion, keeping an open mind for what may be possible, certainly in light of the information present, is important.

[Bored chemist]

Which part of "it does not exist" are you failing to understand?

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In my opinion, keeping an open mind for what may be possible, certainly in light of the information present, is important.

I had an open mind while reviewing researching ESP and the obvious conclusion is that it is wishful thinking and nothing more.  If someone presented some new compelling data I would look at it with an open mind but I only see people deluding themselves about ESP (such as Remote Viewing Association).