Can lightning occur without thunder?

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Can lightning occur without thunder?
« on: 16/06/2007 08:29:31 »
During the storm here yesterday I noticed a lot of lightening that wasn't accompanied by thunder. How does that happen?
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« Reply #1 on: 16/06/2007 08:31:12 »
The thunder was too far away... perhaps had moved past you or was not close enough to you (as in the heart of the storm.)

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« Reply #2 on: 16/06/2007 08:36:17 »
The storm was very local
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« Reply #3 on: 16/06/2007 08:50:59 »
 WOW... That is odd then.. I wonder can there be claps of thunder too high to hear maybe higher cloud cover????or can clouds and conditions be so dense they muffle sound...you can stop me any time just pulling stuff out of my pocket.. I haven't a clue! LOL

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« Reply #4 on: 16/06/2007 08:53:44 »
I'm not sure I want to know what's in your pocket  [:-X]
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« Reply #5 on: 16/06/2007 08:56:17 »
 You might like what I have in my pocket! LOL, But you wouldn't believe it!!

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« Reply #6 on: 16/06/2007 08:59:57 »
Beech bark?  [::)]
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« Reply #7 on: 16/06/2007 09:06:01 »
 Well...Not exactly....LOL [;D]

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« Reply #8 on: 16/06/2007 09:07:50 »
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« Reply #9 on: 16/06/2007 09:11:20 »
Stop frowning it is much better then beech bark!! [;D]

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« Reply #10 on: 16/06/2007 09:26:28 »
Curried beech bark?  [:o]
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« Reply #11 on: 16/06/2007 09:32:37 »
do i know what it is, karen?

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« Reply #12 on: 16/06/2007 10:10:26 »
Curried beech bark... hummmm your getting closer! It is definitely spicey! LOL

Nope you don't know what it is Kadie! LOL!

BTW I just had on Wednesday, I think.. My very fist Indian food. They opened a resturant here locally well 14 miles away and it was wonderful.... OH my gosh it was very good and I loved Papadum...it was good..I had a pretty simple chicken curry with tomatoes onions crushed cashews,,,,yummmmy!

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« Reply #13 on: 16/06/2007 10:23:12 »
Peshwari chicken?
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« Reply #14 on: 16/06/2007 10:56:53 »
I brought the menu home it just says chicken curry!

I want to try Tandoori chicken  oooooh looks good!

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« Reply #15 on: 16/06/2007 10:58:52 »
Peshwari chicken?

Whats in that dish besides spicy goodness and chicken?

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« Reply #16 on: 18/06/2007 08:43:20 »
The Tandoori is the oven in which the food is cooked. Hang on......

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and looks a bit like this (in cross-section).

The meat is marinated in spices mixed with joghurt, then cooked on skewers in the oven.

Truly scrumptious!

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« Reply #17 on: 18/06/2007 10:07:46 »
Sounds delishious

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« Reply #18 on: 18/06/2007 10:11:31 »
You have to try Keema naan - naan bread with a lamb stuffing.

What is this curried beech bark thing that's going on? It came up in another thread too!

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« Reply #19 on: 18/06/2007 10:26:50 »
So about that thunder...LOL Does anyone know why it was not audible . Was it actually there and perhaps we just missed it? Is there such a thing as silent thunder? Here is what I found, which leads me to believe the real storm was further away from where you were! you just couldn't hear it as it was too far away! Here is what I found:

http://library.thinkquest.org/C003603/english/severestorms/thunder.shtml



"Lightning slices through air, heating it to about 60,000ļF (five times hotter than the sunís surface!). The heated air quickly expands in an outward explosion, but then contracts as it cools. The rapid back and forth movement of air particles as it expands and contracts produces sound waves that we know as thunder.

Thunder and lightning always occur at the same time, but light travels faster than sound so we see lightning before hearing thunder. Every five seconds between the two phenomena is roughly equivalent to a mile. Thus, counting the seconds between a lightning bolt and a thunderclap, one can calculate the distance to the storm."



So the lightning comes first Doc... I see It produces a sound wave that explodes outward and that back and forth action causes the th=under which could plausibly be silent if it was sent out to far away for you too hear the sound of the thunder! Am I understanding that right.. so what determines the distance and does the thunder take place at the point of the furthest point away that the sound had traveled??
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« Reply #20 on: 18/06/2007 10:27:44 »
You have to try Keema naan - naan bread with a lamb stuffing.

What is this curried beech bark thing that's going on? It came up in another thread too!

HEE HEE HEE.. LOL Which thread I must read it?? LOL

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« Reply #21 on: 18/06/2007 10:32:27 »
You have to try Keema naan - naan bread with a lamb stuffing.

What is this curried beech bark thing that's going on? It came up in another thread too!


I am going to try all sorts of things from now on.. I will put it on my list! Let me see if it is on the menu, its on the menu for $1.99 they call it "Keema nan
nan" stuffed with minced lamb and aromatic spices.

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« Reply #22 on: 18/06/2007 10:38:49 »
That's the baby!

It's great to try new foods...good for you!


From the good Doctor, obviously......
Beech bark vindaloo:-

Get a good handful of beech bark
Nip down to the local takeaway & get a chicken vindaloo
Remove the chicken
Add the beech bark
Serve & enjoy!  [:D]

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« Reply #23 on: 18/06/2007 10:43:35 »
LOL...I think I best not say it in here as to what he meant... Do you know what I mean???may I message you, without saying it in here?? LOl

By the way THanks..LOL I missed that comment in the other thread! LOL
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« Reply #24 on: 18/06/2007 10:47:28 »
That's the baby!

It's great to try new foods...good for you!


From the good Doctor, obviously......
Beech bark vindaloo:-

Get a good handful of beech bark
Nip down to the local takeaway & get a chicken vindaloo
Remove the chicken
Add the beech bark
Serve & enjoy!  [:D]

OH you do not know me well, LOL I love good food and love to try new things especially food. There are a few I won't touch.. but many I will!

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« Reply #25 on: 18/06/2007 10:49:51 »
But to return to the thread topic!

I don't think that it is possible to have lightning without thunder - the sudden expansion of the super-heated air resulting from the lightning will always make a noise. You can't even touch an electric fence (not that you'd want to) without a "zap". You can get lightning within a cloud (Intracloud lightning), and so doesn't "hit" the earth. If this occurs in a local storm, but at altitude, it may be that a combination of distance, local winds etc, might dissipate the noise so that you don' hear it. I normally give up counting after about 25 - 30 seconds, because the thunder is often really weak. This is only 4 -5 miles distant, and storm clouds can easily attain these sorts of altitudes.....

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« Reply #26 on: 18/06/2007 10:52:12 »
Curried beech bark?  [:o]

Why Doc,.. shame on you I missed the above post! LOL See denty's Post!

I kinda wondered if it could be muffled by that kind of thing, but it was only a guess see the posts I wrote well above at start!

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« Reply #27 on: 18/06/2007 10:52:20 »
OH you do not know me well, LOL I love good food and love to try new things especially food. There are a few I won't touch.. but many I will!

Ah, clearly not - I might now be a Sr. Member, but still a "Newbie" in knowledge of people's pursuits!


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« Reply #28 on: 18/06/2007 10:55:19 »
I kinda wondered if it could be muffled by that kind of thing, but it was only a guess see the posts I wrote well above at start!

Sorry Karen -  I wasn't trying to steal your thunder!  [:D]

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« Reply #29 on: 18/06/2007 10:58:48 »
LOL you did not steel my THUNDER>> LOL cause I had no Idea if that was even possible until you said that! ..LOL Don't appologise I find it funny that I was even close LOL! Did you get what doc meant?

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« Reply #30 on: 18/06/2007 11:06:01 »
Did you get what doc meant?

About thunder or curry (although some might say that the two are linked!)

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« Reply #31 on: 18/06/2007 11:17:59 »
I think they may be linked if you know what I mean! LOL

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« Reply #32 on: 18/06/2007 13:59:01 »
What is this curried beech bark thing that's going on? It came up in another thread too!

It's my favourite dish!  [:)]

Considering what you do for a living, you may not approve of my being an arbivore.
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« Reply #33 on: 18/06/2007 14:23:09 »
arbivore  [:D]

I have a keen desire to use wood in as many ways as possible! The worst thing we could do in the face of making them a sustainable resource would be to leave the forests alone! But this is another complex arguement......

And if I can combine eating with forestry, then I'm all for it!

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« Reply #34 on: 18/06/2007 14:24:30 »
LOL LOL!

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« Reply #35 on: 18/06/2007 16:08:51 »
I kinda wondered if it could be muffled by that kind of thing, but it was only a guess see the posts I wrote well above at start!

Sorry Karen -  I wasn't trying to steal your thunder!  [:D]

If Karen went on a diet, would she be lightening herself?  [:D]
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« Reply #36 on: 18/06/2007 16:09:51 »
arbivore  [:D]

I have a keen desire to use wood in as many ways as possible!

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« Reply #37 on: 18/06/2007 21:32:12 »
I kinda wondered if it could be muffled by that kind of thing, but it was only a guess see the posts I wrote well above at start!

Sorry Karen -  I wasn't trying to steal your thunder!  [:D]

If Karen went on a diet, would she be lightening herself?  [:D]

LOL..perhaps a bit of lightening would help right about now!


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« Reply #38 on: 18/06/2007 21:33:36 »
arbivore  [:D]

I have a keen desire to use wood in as many ways as possible!

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Don't say that to Lo or Carolyn!

LOL LOL..

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« Reply #39 on: 19/06/2007 02:33:52 »
arbivore  [:D]

I have a keen desire to use wood in as many ways as possible!

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Don't say that to Lo or Carolyn!

I cannot believe you said that!!! [:(!]  I know you're just trying to get me riled up and misbehaving but I'm not falling for it!  Besides....you're the one who has the w.....oh...nevermind. [;)]
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« Reply #40 on: 19/06/2007 22:08:36 »
Gawd, she saw it  [:-X]
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« Reply #41 on: 19/06/2007 22:56:24 »
Gawd, she saw it  [:-X]

Yes she did!  Lucky for you I have a sense of humor! [;D] [;)]

I suppose I should be grateful...at least here you can't change my post.  [;)]
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« Reply #42 on: 19/06/2007 23:14:44 »
Gawd, she saw it  [:-X]

Yes she did!  Lucky for you I have a sense of humor! [;D] [;)]

I suppose I should be grateful...at least here you can't change my post.  [;)]

As if I would  [:I]
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« Reply #43 on: 20/06/2007 02:39:17 »
No, of course you woodn't [;)]
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« Reply #44 on: 20/06/2007 06:53:53 »
No, of course you woodn't [;)]

OAK-kay, are you inFIRing something? In my o-PINE-ion you're harBOUGHring a grudge BEECH-cause you TWIGged that I'd I TwEAKed 1 of your posts. Now, don't BE A BABy!  [;D]
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« Reply #45 on: 20/06/2007 12:56:21 »
I WOOD never harBOUGHr a grudge against you Doc! [;D] [:X] [;)]
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« Reply #46 on: 20/06/2007 13:00:26 »
I can't find my chopped Harley Davidson. Have you seen MA HOG ANYone?
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« Reply #47 on: 20/06/2007 13:17:23 »
subLIME to the ridOAKuLARCH! BARKing mad, it SAP's my WILLow tO LIVE - let's LEAVE it there!

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« Reply #48 on: 20/06/2007 13:57:50 »
I was trying to make friends. I want to be POPLAR.

I did a weewee in a tin & ended up with a CANOPY!  [:D]
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« Reply #49 on: 20/06/2007 14:22:16 »
i suppose you all think this is a TREEmendous jOAK, posts such as this PLUM new depths. I suspect this STEMS from the good Doc.