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« on: 11/05/2004 16:39:37 »
Just wondering how entirely isolated you guys in the US are...

How many of you guys know that there is a place in the UK called Cambridge?

Just that when i talked to an american, and he asked me where i was, i told him and got a suprised reaction from him that there was another Cambridge in the world other than the one where MIT is and the one in Ontario.

Is he just very ignorant, or is the US really that isolated from the rest of the world?

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« Reply #1 on: 11/05/2004 16:52:34 »
I hate to say this.....no I better not say it !!

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« Reply #2 on: 11/05/2004 17:46:01 »
I am living there are the moment, i am english.

A large proportion of the people here really don't have a clue, and they think that this place is the best thing since sliced bread and that they are always right, and that they are free... which is laughable because some of the laws/policing/govn. etc are just insane here. They like to have opinions on everything without knowing/experience what they are talking about.

I have met some really cool people here who I am proud to call my friends though, and where i am is a nice enough place to live.

To answer the question: In my opinion they are isolated, but by their own doing.
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« Reply #3 on: 11/05/2004 18:31:27 »
Being a native of the US, I hate to say this, but I agree with Dan.  In fact, most people probably don't know where Cambridge Mass.  (and MIT) is located, let alone the "real" Cambridge in the UK.  Further, most people in the USA don't know where most of their own states are.  I live in Overland Park, Kansas, a suburb of Kansas City, Missouri.  It is located on the western edge of Missouri, about 200 miles northof the Arkansas border.  I've met many people here who don't know where Arkansas is located.  And that is a state that borders their own. Go figure.

People here think they are free because that's what they are told all the time.  The few who differ with that opinion are labeled (and usually REALLY are) lunatics and/or terrorists.  And, yes everyone has an opinion, usually derived from one factoid they heard somewhere on TV.

Personally, I fall into the same traps though I try to avoid them.  I don't watch TV at all, so that helps (or it just makes me more ignorant I'm not sure which).  I try to keep an open mind and find other sources, but usually I end up just wishing I could be a hermit somewhere.  Then I could be labeled a lunatic with the other non-believers.

I do know about Cambridge in the UK and in Mass., but not the one in Ontario.  I do believe that some of the laws/policing/government are insane, but I don't have a good comparison to anywhere else.  Can anyone honestly say the UK is better?  Anywhere?

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« Reply #4 on: 11/05/2004 19:28:30 »
I've been to the US and i must say i loved it - went to San Francisco, LA and the rest of California and also Las Vegas. Stuff is so cheap, weather is great and surroundings are beautiful too, so California is a really great place. I think i'd love to live there in the future.

However, the UK is nice and quiet (which is both a pro and con- especially in Cambridge, which is exceedingly quiet!). Also, i don't know why, but i prefer the English accent to the american one (especially during lectures- i found it really hard to keep awake during maths lectures when this american guy was lecturing - not sure whether it was the content, person or accent though).

I'm not sure i could cope with the strange laws in the US, such as ones which allow presidential candidates with the fewer votes to become president. And no drinking before 21 (in some states)!

Also, let me share a story with you. In Cambridge, there is a fantastic and ancient Chapel call King's College Chapel. (see http://www.kings.cam.ac.uk/chapel/ ).

Apparently, during a tour of this Chapel, an American lady said the tour guide, "Wow, what an amazing Chapel - it must be pre-war right?"
To which the tour guide replied, "Madame. Its pre-america."

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« Reply #5 on: 11/05/2004 19:57:40 »
I am an American living in Cambridge UK.  Americans are pretty clueless, I must say.  We are definitely fed the nonsense that we are the greatest people in the world.  Interesting considering that the US is an immigrant nation and that most of its flavor derives from ethnic and international diversity.  

No offense to the majority of lovely British folk I have met, but I must say the British can be pretty close-minded as well.  I have received an apalling amount of negativity and rudeness in my years in the UK because I am American, including one nice bloke that threatened to stick a fist down my (British) husband's throat if he ever 'came in here again with an American'.  

Understandably, other nations are antagonistic towards America, but they mistake decisions made by the government as representing the desires of the American people.  Most Americans are peace-loving, cheerful, generous people.  We just have a stupid way of electing officials.

One story about American cluelessness though because it's just so comical.  I had a friend who worked in one of the tourist-y shops next to Edinburgh Castle who loved to regale me with stupid things people said.  One American women came in and complimented the Scottish for having such great town planning skills.  She was very impressed by the thoughtfulness of building the castle right next to the rail station.
 

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« Reply #6 on: 11/05/2004 19:58:36 »
I`m not from US, but, yes, I know where Cambridge is. [:D]
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« Reply #7 on: 11/05/2004 20:57:37 »
Dalya....on behalf of all us Brits who love Americans....glad you have not given up on us yet.......fortunately I have been to the States quite a few times and one minute I am touched by American generosity and kindness in spirit and the next thing I have to stand back at trying to comprehend what I'm hearing !!!...

There are times when I shudder that these people hav the right to vote !!(same applies to here in the UK too)....but I knew one person who thought Wales was part of England...and that England was the Capital of Britain...and  someone said that we all eat squirrels and badgers.....I remember popping into a drug store and the guy behind the counter thought I must know Prince Charles !!!...one thing I do know is that as a brit....I have always and I mean always been treated with warmth and friendship (despite the  cluelessness)........there was also one guy who wanted me to try and get Paul McCartney to come and play a concert in his home town !!

To be honest, I'm sure we'll find the same situation in all countries, but perhaps it just seems more prevalent in the US.........

Oh...yes that reminds me....when Reagan popped over to see Maggie Thatcher, I remember his wife (Nancy eh ?) being interviewed at how she enjoyed meeting our King and Queen !!!*sigh*

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« Reply #8 on: 11/05/2004 21:41:38 »
quote:
Originally posted by qpan



Is he just very ignorant, or is the US really that isolated from the rest of the world?





yes qpan.... he IS just very ignorant (just like 99% of all Americans (and 97% of the world population)

I am proud to say that when I think Cambrige, the one in the UK is the first that comes to mind.  However, there are a few facts about the UK that have been mentioned in this thread that people seem appauled that some Americans didn't know that I would expect the general public to be aware of.  Remember there are like 200 some odd countries in the world we can't knwo every little in and out of every one.  there are some countries that i don't even know where they are (I'm sure that same goes for everyone in here) don't you think that the people in those countries would be shocked to find that out?  Even not knowing where cambridge is.... how many of you in here can tell me a major/prestigous university in china off the top of your head?  That country comprises one sixth of the world population if there's any place we should all have knowledge of it would be that but I doubt many people do.  
So while I agree that most americans are completely ignornat to the world around them, i think we're getting a little cairried away about how we are judging that.

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« Reply #9 on: 11/05/2004 21:43:44 »
also, at least it wasn't one of us yanks who put this thread in the "general science" forum [8D]

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« Reply #10 on: 11/05/2004 21:48:56 »
I must just quicky add that the rumour about american women loving an English accent is VERY true. Its really weird.
 

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« Reply #11 on: 11/05/2004 22:34:36 »
quote:
Originally posted by Dan B

I must just quicky add that the rumour about american women loving an English accent is VERY true. Its really weird.



Here here..ditto ditto !!

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« Reply #12 on: 11/05/2004 22:55:11 »
We all have our faults.  

We Canadians are so incredibly apathetic as a whole the we keep voting in lawyers from Quebec for our Prime Minister.  Like the first one didn't screw us over QUITE enough.  Is everyone aware of the latest scandal?  Apparently Sheila Fraser, the auditor general, is looking for $250,000,000 that went AWOL while Cretien was in office.

British people tend to be stiff upper lip and stiff everything else.

Americans don't even have a clear picture of themselves, so how can they know anyone else?  Oprah Winfrey has addressed this, so expect to see some changes.  When I was in Amsterdam a fat American with a southern drawl asked if Canada was "some remote island far north of our great country".  I told him "yeah, it's the place you get all your natural resources from".  He asked where I taught school, and I let him know that class was over (my exact words would only be deleted).
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« Reply #13 on: 11/05/2004 23:07:01 »
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Originally posted by MayoFlyFarmer


Even not knowing where cambridge is.... how many of you in here can tell me a major/prestigous university in china off the top of your head?  That country comprises one sixth of the world population if there's any place we should all have knowledge of it would be that but I doubt many people do.  




Peking University, Zhejiang University, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Tsinghua University. To name a few ;-)
(And without looking up too!)

But to be honest, i don't count as your average english joe, being born in China and all (although i am virtually english- if you don't count the first 5 years of my life which i spent in China, and my thousands of years of Chinese heritage!).

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« Reply #14 on: 11/05/2004 23:08:00 »
quote:
Originally posted by MayoFlyFarmer

also, at least it wasn't one of us yanks who put this thread in the "general science" forum [8D]

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Yeah...errr..whooops

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« Reply #15 on: 12/05/2004 02:49:11 »
quote:
Originally posted by Dan B

I must just quicky add that the rumour about american women loving an English accent is VERY true. Its really weird.



even more so.... american guys dig  chicks with britt accents!!! [:I]

If only the opposite were true!  I think I'd move!

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« Reply #16 on: 12/05/2004 04:14:27 »
The yanks  who think we ride Kangaroos to school and that they hop merrily down the street have always kept me amused.

God save the Queen. God bless America. God send them some decent beer![:p]

Actually don't know about any British beers now I think of it. Is Elephant beer from the UK?

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« Reply #17 on: 12/05/2004 06:25:33 »
As an American, there's one thought that scares me most:  I think about how stupid the average person is, then realize that 50% of the population is even worse. [xx(]


As a country, we tend to be pretty ignorant of other cultures, but that's pretty much the way we're brought up.  Only the open-minded and educated get out of that rut.  It's funny how a country whose success is founded on immigration can be so xenophobic.

Personally, I'd love to move to the UK or Australia, but I hear that it's not so easy to get citizenship or even a long-term work visa as an American unless you have corporate sponsorship.  (which i will never do again, I'm staying in academia, thank you very much)



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« Reply #18 on: 12/05/2004 06:35:42 »
quote:
Originally posted by OldMan

The yanks  who think we ride Kangaroos to school and that they hop merrily down the street have always kept me amused.

God save the Queen. God bless America. God send them some decent beer![:p]

Actually don't know about any British beers now I think of it. Is Elephant beer from the UK?

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ok, as anti-american as I consider myself, I DO have to say that I don't know a single person that would actually think aussies ride to school on kangaroos (and I know some REALLY stupid people)

as far as the beer goes we do have some good beers, we're just not dumb enough be be givin it all away to the rest of the world.  you guys get our crap beer (as I'm sure/would hope the opposite is true) the only aussie beer we have readily available here to my knowledge is fosters....um....yeah, no comment on that one I think my point has been made.  I'm sure the Brits have good beers too, the rest of europe does, why wouldn't they?

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« Reply #19 on: 12/05/2004 08:16:33 »
I logged on today to find a debate about Americans that, for once, I didn't start (little dig at Bezoar there [;)]).

I do find it ironic that Americans make a point of telling the world how 'free' they are, and then have laws banning abortions, work the longest hours, have the least holidays, are the most politically-correct, do the longest PhDs (included for Jay's sake !), stomach some of the highest fees for their education, get told that they cannot teach evolution in some places, have ridiculous speed limits, and pay a lot of tax compared with most of the western world...

...slaves to 'freedom' more like.

It's only when I visit places like the US (and Japan) that I realise how lucky we still are to live in the UK where life is still relatively fun and uncontrolled.

That said, the Americans I've seen at conferences are usually very business-minded, and are usually very good writers and communicators, even if they can't spell properly [;)]

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« Reply #20 on: 12/05/2004 08:59:43 »
Well everyone knows the sterotype of the typical american, don't need to add any more I think (if I don't want hackles up and growling from the american forum-goers)

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« Reply #21 on: 12/05/2004 10:50:05 »
Friends, Frasier, Sex and The City, Will and Grace, Star Trek, Hollywood, Peanutbutter and Jam sarnies, Burger King, Nasa,.......and more things than could fill this entire forum, my first girlfriend and educator !!!.......thank you America....(not sarcasm...I love those things, espesh Burger King hmmmmmmm!!)...the list is endless.....the people in America who know what they're doing , know what they're doing with perfection...on the whole...there's more good than bad.....well I think so anyway........it's so easy to slate a country, a people, or anything cos the negative things stands out more  eh ?

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« Reply #22 on: 12/05/2004 17:28:20 »
Chris, we don't really have laws banning abortions.  It's legal here until the 15th week or pregnancy or so.  (though it may not be if the Republicans stay in office another 4 years)  

However thanks to the Republicans, we also pay less taxes than most of the Western world... especially those of us with high income.  Your average person making 6 figures in the US is going to end up paying out less than 30% in taxes if they're smart about it and know what to write off and where to put their money.  From what I hear in countries that have a more socialist tinge to them, someone in that income category will pay a much higher percentage.  Not that I think it's a good thing, the burden of taxation should be on the wealthy.

The rest of your points are perfectly valid, of course, for a good portion of the population.  We're chock full of barely literate, over-priveleged, arrogant hypocrites.  If you don't judge us unduly, I'll try not to think of you Brits as stuffy, snooty, and sexually ambiguous.

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« Reply #23 on: 13/05/2004 03:21:31 »
I can't add much to this thread, but it sure is good entertainment!

I find that I'm agreeing with almost everything that is said here (almost).  And I wonder if that is good or bad.  I guess what it comes down to is that the US is a very big and very diverse place that can't really be neatly categorized any which way.  Same for the UK and Austrailia and most other countries.

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« Reply #24 on: 13/05/2004 04:12:33 »
quote:
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ok, as anti-american as I consider myself, I DO have to say that I don't know a single person that would actually think aussies ride to school on kangaroos (and I know some REALLY stupid people)

as far as the beer goes we do have some good beers, we're just not dumb enough be be givin it all away to the rest of the world.  you guys get our crap beer (as I'm sure/would hope the opposite is true) the only aussie beer we have readily available here to my knowledge is fosters....um....yeah, no comment on that one I think my point has been made.  I'm sure the Brits have good beers too, the rest of europe does, why wouldn't they?

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As sad as it sounds I have heard of the kangroo misconception... oh how i laughed.

All sledging aside they do plenty of good work as well.

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« Reply #25 on: 13/05/2004 06:51:06 »
Please don't judge us on our spelling [:(]

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« Reply #26 on: 13/05/2004 10:24:07 »
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Please don't judge us on our spelling [:(]

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« Reply #27 on: 13/05/2004 12:00:45 »
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   quote:Originally posted by MayoFlyFarmer
    ok, as anti-american as I consider myself, I DO have to say that I don't know a single person that would actually think aussies ride to school on kangaroos (and I know some REALLY stupid people)

    as far as the beer goes we do have some good beers, we're just not dumb enough be be givin it all away to the rest of the world. you guys get our crap beer (as I'm sure/would hope the opposite is true) the only aussie beer we have readily available here to my knowledge is fosters....um....yeah, no comment on that one I think my point has been made. I'm sure the Brits have good beers too, the rest of europe does, why wouldn't they?

    That's no moon.... its a GRAPEFRUIT!!!!



OH MY GOD!

You guys get Fosters??? I thought that s... stuff died in the late 80's. Don't tell me they send XXXX over there as well? I recently decided since I was in the home state of the awful brew that i should give it a go. Didn't seem too bad until the after taste hit

As sad as it sounds I have heard of the kangroo misconception... oh how i laughed.

All sledging aside they do plenty of good work as well.

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« Reply #28 on: 13/05/2004 12:50:09 »
Although most things you said in your post (Friends, Burger King etc.) I hate ! Maybe just because it's not my culture, I suppose. I think Friends is the most idiotic  and un-funny program ever put on television (except some japanese game shows which are idiotic but funny because they're idiotic) and Burger King, Mc Donald's etc are disgusting. There's often jokes made here about people that eat at Mc Donald's ... also, american culture is invading all the other countries' cultures ! There's too many american brand names, products and shops here.  I don't want Australia (or France) to lose its identity. (although something that's cool is the huge number of Ripcurl and Quicksilver and the other Australian surfing branded things that you see in France !!!!!! ) America's ideas are sort of producing things for the public no matter what the cost and making money. America does produce a variety of films and music, which I suppose is a good point. Most people like American films and music.

As for Australian beer, go Bundaburg Rum, that's really famous. (at least in Australia, I don't know if it's famous over there)

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« Reply #29 on: 13/05/2004 17:59:12 »
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on the whole...there's more good than bad.....well I think so anyway........it's so easy to slate a country, a people, or anything cos the negative things stands out more  eh ?

Good point Neil.  I think every country and culture has it's good and bad points.  If we can focus on the good in each, we all stand to learn and benefit.

Recently in Canada I have observed Native Canadians making strides toward integrating their culture into general society (or vice versa), while maintaining and enhancing their culture and knowledge base.  I applaud this magnanimous spirit, especially in light of the fact that over the last hundred years or so Natives have been terribly abused, denigrated and almost decimated.  It's a fantastic healing to let go of an angry and painful past, do an about face, and move forward with optimism.
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« Reply #30 on: 13/05/2004 19:33:17 »
Q:...How many of you guys know that there is a place in the UK called Cambridge?...

A: I don't think anybody has that answer, but I do think the fraction of the population who knows any serious amount of geography is declining. Geography is no longer taught in out schools. It was bundled with history, and became "social studies". Geography lost. Most school kids don't know where Michigan is, never mind Cambridge, MA. Cambridge, UK only has a chance if it's in the next Harry Potter movie.

Q:...Is he just very ignorant, or is the US really that isolated from the rest of the world?

A: Yes. The US is a great nation. I will (probably not) be the first US citizen to tell you that. There is also a great amount of isolationism in this country. The US is, unfortunately, NOT isolated from the rest of the world, but most US citizens believe they would be happier if it were. The the US's ignorance of most other world cultures stems from an indifference to those cultures.

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« Reply #31 on: 13/05/2004 23:52:15 »
OK, OK, so we're ignorant, and isolated, but we have great food.  And Chris, if you were living here as a doctor, you'd have a much better life, be making more money, be able to take off work whenever you wanted, and could pretty much have a job anywhere with a six figure income.  And you could teach here too, and think of all the ignorant students who need you!!!!!!
 

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« Reply #32 on: 14/05/2004 02:14:33 »
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OK, OK, so we're ignorant, and isolated, but we have great food.  And Chris, if you were living here as a doctor, you'd have a much better life, be making more money, be able to take off work whenever you wanted, and could pretty much have a job anywhere with a six figure income.  And you could teach here too, and think of all the ignorant students who need you!!!!!!



Hi Nance....believe me, I have seen the results of your great food !!...(hang on ..are you being facetious?[:D])


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« Reply #33 on: 14/05/2004 02:17:14 »
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Originally posted by Donnah

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on the whole...there's more good than bad.....well I think so anyway........it's so easy to slate a country, a people, or anything cos the negative things stands out more  eh ?

Good point Neil.  I think every country and culture has it's good and bad points.  If we can focus on the good in each, we all stand to learn and benefit.

Recently in Canada I have observed Native Canadians making strides toward integrating their culture into general society (or vice versa), while maintaining and enhancing their culture and knowledge base.  I applaud this magnanimous spirit, especially in light of the fact that over the last hundred years or so Natives have been terribly abused, denigrated and almost decimated.  It's a fantastic healing to let go of an angry and painful past, do an about face, and move forward with optimism.



It is a crying shame that there is very rarely anywhere on this planet where the 'natives' of the land they inhabit, in some way shape or form have not been imposed upon in one way or another.....I can only speculate that somewhere only the remotest tribes in extreme isolated location may still remain untouched......and I would presume that won't last forever

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« Reply #34 on: 14/05/2004 04:01:30 »
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It is a crying shame that there is very rarely anywhere on this planet where the 'natives' of the land they inhabit, in some way shape or form have not been imposed upon in one way or another.....I can only speculate that somewhere only the remotest tribes in extreme isolated location may still remain untouched......and I would presume that won't last forever




What about the UK and other parts of europe.  Other than a lot of internal invasions, they have been pretty much left to their own devices haven't they? [:D]

[Yes Neil, I do get your point.]  I think there are some tribes in the Amazon basin that have had almost no contact with "civilization".  But I don't really romanticize living in the stone age.  It was a hard life.

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« Reply #35 on: 14/05/2004 04:03:41 »
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Fosters is really bad [V] if thatís died away in Australia what do you drink? Do you have real ale????


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Some of the best ales are made right here in little old Adelaide. Coopers Pale Ale - alot of people are put off by the floaties (sediment) but it is a great brew.
Coopers Sparkling Ale - nice and clear with a nice punch
Coopers Dark Ale - This is my winter beer for some reason. Very nice but watchout for the hang over can be very nasty!
Coopers Vintage - a stronger very fruity beer only made in limited amounts each year. Not to eveybodies liking

Could go on for ages but they are a few of my favourites. Some of the interstate beers would have to be Crown Larger, James Boags..eh there's plenty.

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« Reply #36 on: 14/05/2004 07:03:10 »
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America does produce a variety of films and music, which I suppose is a good point. Most people like American films and music.







ech!!! no!  while I will admit that the majority of the music I listen to and most of the films I watch are american thats simply a matter of odds due to the amount of both that we turn out every year and the lack of availability (especially in films) of anything from elsewhere!  On the whole if you look at ratio of good stuff to crap put out, american music/films suck!  (which stands to resaon given our lack of culture, and over abundance of apathy).  The brits really know how to churn out good music, I just wish they were a bigger country so they made more of it.  The aussies, and cannucs have made great strides on this fromt lateley as well.  As for films, its tough to get anything non-american these days, but I've always had a ting for German Cinema!

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« Reply #37 on: 14/05/2004 10:09:24 »
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Most school kids don't know where Michigan is, never mind Cambridge, MA. Cambridge, UK only has a chance if it's in the next Harry Potter movie.



I thought MA was Massachussetts?

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« Reply #38 on: 14/05/2004 13:08:06 »
Thanks Justy....I have to say I agree with you about the music and films stuff !!..though we're such a small island ...the stuff we produce over here is rather good and eclectic. There are some quintessentially 'English'/'British' bands that due to the 'sound' of their music just will not 'travel' across the pond to the states and further afield...and it has always been difficult for non american bands to make it in the states !!...you guys are extremely patriotic towards your own brands of entertainment(that's not a criticism by the way, that's just the way it is).....but we are a little creative pot here in the UK!!..The films we produce I think are rather good too....(usually with American funds)....we just don't have the industry(or the budget) like you guys...but I would have to say (even noting your comments) that in my list of best films, they are all American...so thahks for that.

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« Reply #39 on: 14/05/2004 14:41:45 »
I second oldman's endorsement of Cooper's Pale Ale. It's become my favourite beer since I came to Oz. A guy in Alice Springs got me into it when I was up there last month. Haven;t drunk much else since !

The annoying thing is that I can't take it home with me (in appreciable quantities anyway !)

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« Reply #40 on: 14/05/2004 16:47:45 »
Hey Chris, I'd like to hear more about your trip (besides the difference in beer).  What's different than you expected?
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« Reply #41 on: 15/05/2004 03:27:12 »
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Most school kids don't know where Michigan is, never mind Cambridge, MA. Cambridge, UK only has a chance if it's in the next Harry Potter movie.



I thought MA was Massachussetts?

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MA is the abbreviation for Massachussetts - that's where MIT is located (Massachussetts Institute of Technology).

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« Reply #42 on: 15/05/2004 03:38:38 »
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It is a crying shame that there is very rarely anywhere on this planet where the 'natives' of the land they inhabit, in some way shape or form have not been imposed upon in one way or another.....I can only speculate that somewhere only the remotest tribes in extreme isolated location may still remain untouched......and I would presume that won't last forever




What about the UK and other parts of europe.  Other than a lot of internal invasions, they have been pretty much left to their own devices haven't they? [:D]

[Yes Neil, I do get your point.]  I think there are some tribes in the Amazon basin that have had almost no contact with "civilization".  But I don't really romanticize living in the stone age.  It was a hard life.

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« Reply #43 on: 15/05/2004 15:06:50 »
Wait a minute.  There's a Cambridge in the UK?  It's just that in my remote tribe that's totally isolated from everything, I had no way of knowing.
 

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« Reply #44 on: 17/05/2004 14:49:31 »
It's true.  Almost all accents are sexy to American women.  British and French are probably the most beloved.  I think Scottish is the best.  The sad thing about living in the UK is you get used to the accent and can't drool over it constantly.  And then when you hear the American accent you drone on and say, 'Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh my gawddddddddddddd!  I don't REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEALLY sound like that, do I?'  (Yes, you do).

Also, the facts that people don't know may be embarrassing, like which kangaroo Prince Charles rode to get to Paul McCartney's concert etc.  However, what's more embarrassing I think is when people lack basic skills like calculating in their heads what 11 plus 24 is, as so often happens on British TV quizzes (not that I watch them too often).
 

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« Reply #45 on: 17/05/2004 19:20:58 »
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However, what's more embarrassing I think is when people lack basic skills like calculating in their heads what 11 plus 24 is, as so often happens on British TV quizzes (not that I watch them too often).


Have you seen the people on those quizzes though??? [:p]

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« Reply #46 on: 18/05/2004 01:57:37 »
Crikey, I go away for a week and you've been busy running down the Americans and commenting on one of the finest beers (Coopers) available in the world. Considering the cradle of the human race was in Africa, we're all immigrants in one form or another. It's just how long we've been here. I've been in Australia my whole life, and my family roots have been here for a number of generations. That makes me as much Aussie as any Aborigine currently living doesn't it? My son has half my genes and half his mother's (she's a Maori), but he is also an Aussie.
Also, Americans are great! Any race that is prepared to invest trillions of hard earned dollars and many lives of the younger generation to protect basic human rights in another country is OK by me. There is the odd loony in any general population, and I guess that the more people there are in that population, the more wierdos there are. In my travels, I haven't found any race very different (apart from minor external and language variations). We are all kind, friendly and hospitable. We are all part of the human race! Out of the 5 or 6 billion of us currently around, maybe a couple of thousand are causing unnecessary instability. The rest of us are just doing our thing and getting on with life.
 

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« Reply #47 on: 18/05/2004 02:50:45 »
Bless you, Roberth.  The voice of reason speaks.  You're awesome.
 

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« Reply #48 on: 18/05/2004 04:11:04 »
Seconded.
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« Reply #49 on: 18/05/2004 06:20:10 »
I say BAH! to reason!!! Where has it ever gotten us in the past? :-p

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