How Long Would Heather Live If Not Turned Into Meatballs ?

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Dear Bovine Beefburger Eaters,

This is Heather:
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Nice isn't she ?....notice how cow shape and non steak-like she is looking.


She's showing a bit of tongue because she's just found out that today she becomes Minced Beef !!

How long would Heather live if left to live a full cow life ?

I can't remember the last time I saw a feral/wild cow !!
« Last Edit: 28/08/2007 02:39:20 by neilep »
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« Reply #1 on: 27/08/2007 22:47:45 »
I was going out with a beavette called Heather a couple of years back. I see you've met her!  [:D]
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« Reply #2 on: 27/08/2007 22:58:13 »
LOL......I'm saying nowt
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« Reply #3 on: 28/08/2007 00:02:23 »
Hey Neil,
 
I know dairy cows can produce milk for about 12 years. 

This site says cows can live about 22 years.
http://sonic.net/~petdoc/lifespan.htm

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« Reply #4 on: 28/08/2007 00:30:10 »
Hey Neil,
 
I know dairy cows can produce milk for about 12 years. 

This site says cows can live about 22 years.
http://sonic.net/~petdoc/lifespan.htm

Carp- 100 years- gives a whole new meaning to carpe diem!

Colleen

Hi Colleen...YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY !!

Where have ewe been ?

Anyway..I am so glad to see you back here today !!

THANK YOU for the excellent info and the wonderful reference !!

Carpe diem indeed !!

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« Reply #5 on: 28/08/2007 22:04:23 »
 "How Long Would Heather Live If Not Turned Into Meatballs?"

I think I would pass on Heather meatballs. She is a nice girl (bird). Besides it is illegal.
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« Reply #6 on: 28/08/2007 22:25:28 »
Cool Tongue! I did not know they could live that long! we were more chicken then farmers then cow. we've has two but they were two young we tried to save them from the butcher but they were not strong enough and did not live very long. It was sad.. they were really cute!

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« Reply #7 on: 29/08/2007 22:08:37 »
Hey Neil,
 
I know dairy cows can produce milk for about 12 years. 

This site says cows can live about 22 years.

are you serious? pull the udder one, Colleen...........sorry, but i had to before the beaver beat me to it.

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« Reply #8 on: 30/08/2007 04:00:40 »
"How Long Would Heather Live If Not Turned Into Meatballs?"

I think I would pass on Heather meatballs. She is a nice girl (bird). Besides it is illegal.


Karen, you missed another one.
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« Reply #9 on: 30/08/2007 04:17:53 »
OH dear It did fly right past me! LOL!

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« Reply #10 on: 30/08/2007 13:41:54 »
Actually I think it still has..! LOL I don't get it! Sorry!

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« Reply #11 on: 01/09/2007 01:19:54 »
Cannibalization of Heather the girl (chick, bird, etc) I can draw a diagram and flow chart if needed.

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« Reply #12 on: 01/09/2007 01:54:01 »
Heather...as she is today !





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« Reply #13 on: 01/09/2007 18:31:16 »
It is so sad
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« Reply #14 on: 05/09/2007 20:54:00 »
 I don't know where you all come from..LOL But where I come from we don't eat female cows we eat the bulls the cows are bread and become mommies, heifers and cows are usually saved from slaughter here bouts!

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« Reply #15 on: 05/09/2007 20:54:53 »
Cannibalization of Heather the girl (chick, bird, etc) I can draw a diagram and flow chart if needed.



Carry On Me thinks me needs diagram and flow chat! LOL

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« Reply #16 on: 05/09/2007 20:56:49 »
Heather...as she is today !







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Those look scrumptious... Me loves spagetti and meatballs! YUMMMY

Poor little Girlie!

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« Reply #17 on: 06/09/2007 07:29:16 »
Karen- you don't eat female cows?  Well, that's just bull!
I guess the ladies would have no beef with that.  With so much at steak its probably rare that they ruminate on it much anyway.
Hey, if you've herd too much, don't have a cow! Besides, Paul started it,  I just had to steer it in the right direction. Ok, I'll quit and let y'all mooove on to greener pastures. 
Colleen
 


Sorry Y'all, I had to milk it for what I could

Really, I'm just grazing the surface of the cow puns. 

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« Reply #18 on: 06/09/2007 08:22:53 »
Those are great..LOL how long did that take you?? HEE HEE HEE! I love it!

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« Reply #19 on: 06/09/2007 13:46:01 »
if you've herd too much, don't have a cow! Besides, Paul started it

well burger me, i always get the blame. Just because i ruffled a few feathers, but that's ok, i have a thick hide, and will not get in to a leather over it.

Ofcourse, there are the health scares associated with meat. But i would need some per-suede-ing about those.

errr, that's it. Colleen used all the good ones.

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« Reply #20 on: 06/09/2007 14:52:17 »
What a load of bullocks !!.............LOL !!
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« Reply #21 on: 08/11/2007 11:43:33 »
LOL LOL!

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« Reply #22 on: 08/11/2007 11:44:14 »
Dear Bovine Beefburger Eaters,

This is Heather:
[attachment=569]





Nice isn't she ?....notice how cow shape and non steak-like she is looking.


She's showing a bit of tongue because she's just found out that today she becomes Minced Beef !!

How long would Heather live if left to live a full cow life ?

I can't remember the last time I saw a feral/wild cow !!

This is the greatest picture!

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« Reply #23 on: 12/11/2007 14:02:45 »
Domestic cattle can reach ages of 20+, however since they are mainly bred and grown as production animals, it is not profitable for them to be maintained to those sorts of ages. It takes a lot of money to feed each cow and in order to keep the farm business sustainable, they are usually slaughtered before the potentially profit (quality/tenderness of meat) to be made from the animal is exceeded by the costs that need to be put into it.

But potentially yes, Heather could reach 20 or so.

Old age comes with its own problems (as you may have noticed)...tumours, neurodegenative problems, decreased reproductive ability, decreased lactation (for both calf and production), the list goes on...

Dairy cattle aren't actually excluded from meat production. About 60 percent of dairy cattle end up (in some form) on our dinner plates.

Hmm...only eating the bulls seems peculiar. Doesn't that mean the beef industry is only operating up to a maximum 50 percent efficiency?




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« Reply #24 on: 12/11/2007 17:52:46 »
Thats so Odd.. maybe its just us goofy northern Californians.. LOL They keep the females going for milk around here and breeding the males are generally butchered.. although I know with the milk diary that is only because they keep the females to milk.. and the male calves are usually sent to the slaughter house for butchering right after birth which is so sad! veal..... Usually only a day or two old.. We have tried to rescue a couple but it is difficult because they do not allow the males to nurse at birth.. because they are taken right after.. so if you choose to take them home it is pretty much a necessity to get some of the first colestrum filled milk to feed the new male or usually they die without their moms antibodies to help them along! It really is very sad!

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« Reply #25 on: 13/11/2007 01:37:28 »
Here's what I was reading:
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“Does the ‘quality’ of cow and bull beef from dairy cattle really matter since cows and bulls are made into ground beef?” The answer is simple – YES! Quality matters because not all cow beef is manufactured into ground beef. Yes, approximately 56% of a cow or bull carcass is utilized as trimmings and some of those trimmings will be used to produce ground beef. However, 44 % of each cow and bull carcass, according to the 1999 National Market Cow and Bull Beef Quality Audit (NMCBBQA-1999; Roeber et al., 2000a), will be utilized as whole muscle cuts and/or 100% visual lean product to provide steaks and roasts.

Roeber DL. Meat quality and dairy veterinary practice. Proceedings of the Minnesota Dairy Health Conference. College of Veterinary Medicine. University of Minnesota. May 2003.

Here we generally castrate the male dairy calves and grow them up into bull beef...and then slaughter them.

I suppose they would probably package the colostrum up and sell that as well, if they weren't letting the calves have it. What do you do with your rescued calves (...after they grow up) Karen? I assume you have a big paddock for them. Hand-reared male dairy calves are the most aggressive once they start to grow up a bit...I'll put my hand up for learning that the hard way. lol :)

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« Reply #26 on: 13/11/2007 09:51:12 »
We have taken in a few because I have a really soft heart, but it takes lots more then a human mama to help them. We have failed in each attempt even with the vets intervention to try and save the calves.. They just needed more time with mom... One calf just seemed to thrive then would suddenly lapse back and be come weak.. we lost them all by about 3 weeks one at almost six, but to a larger predator we suspected a mountain lion cause he drug the little guy off and all we found were remnants... it was way sad!

Yes I have a couple acres for animals but they really need a lot more space... Those calves are so adorable!..

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« Reply #27 on: 13/11/2007 09:59:31 »
We have taken in a few because I have a really soft heart, but it takes lots more then a human mama to help them. We have failed in each attempt even with the vets intervention to try and save the calves.. They just needed more time with mom... One calf just seemed to thrive then would suddenly lapse back and be come weak.. we lost them all by about 3 weeks one at almost six, but to a larger predator we suspected a mountain lion cause he drug the little guy off and all we found were remnants... it was way sad!

Yes I have a couple acres for animals but they really need a lot more space... Those calves are so adorable!..

One I wanted to raise for beef but after my brotherin law butchered Sherman I just could not do it!

After that I was just we were just on a mission to raise them as pets... LOL.. they are really cool animals.. I have never been around real aggressive bulls although I have seen them.. our experience with my daughter working on the dairy , we were exposed to heffers and cows mostly.. She did however do lots of artificial insemination so we rarely seen a bull. They take them at 1 day old for slaughter.. unless you try to save one... The vet said our biggest problem was getting the calves enough collestrum filled milk to provide them with antibodies they needed to survive! And it was not possible each time to get enough.. even with the fortified special milk from the vet we failed it was very depressing and sad!

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« Reply #28 on: 13/11/2007 10:11:32 »
Mmmm...yeah that's a problem. Coupled with the fact the calf only has around 24 hours to absorb the antibodies in the colostrum. So even if you managed to get enough colostrum, it'd be difficult to ensure the calf is still able to absorb adequate amounts of it to help its little immune system along. (not really going to volunteer to steal a calf straight off its mother either...)

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« Reply #29 on: 14/11/2007 00:34:12 »
NO It was said.. They would gather the little bulls the day they were born and take them to the slaughter house.... I hated it... but they would never let the bulls nurse I just did not understand that.. what would it hurt to let them live and grow up... Why do they do that???

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