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You really dont get it paul, God can make a mistake! as we all can!
Jesus came if anything to promote a new era in gods name, ´God is love´
You are not sinless, should your sin forever be sat over your head? or should you and others forgive it? and move on! You may not believe in God, but should God exsist, you owe God your exsistence, no?
ultimatley God will not destroy anyone until the day of judgement!
Quote from: jolly on 09/06/2007 21:00:18You really dont get it paul, God can make a mistake! as we all can!god makes mistakes! wow, i thought he was supposed to be perfect. can you provide any biblical text where it is stated that gog made mistakes?Quote from: jolly on 09/06/2007 21:00:18Jesus came if anything to promote a new era in gods name, ´God is love´a new era! so god realised that he had made mistakes in ordering all of those murders (sorry, slaughters)and set forth jesus to say sorry for his sins?Quote from: jolly on 09/06/2007 21:00:18You are not sinless, should your sin forever be sat over your head? or should you and others forgive it? and move on! You may not believe in God, but should God exsist, you owe God your exsistence, no?please name and shame me with the sins i have committed. do i realy owe my existance to god, please show me how.Quote from: jolly on 09/06/2007 21:00:18ultimatley God will not destroy anyone until the day of judgement!thats ok then!!!
please name and shame me with the sins i have committed. do i realy owe my existance to god, please show me how.
The flood It didnt work and evil returned!
Well if you think you have never sinned thats fine, Not my job to judge you but really do you even know how many ways there are to sin? Envy is a sin for example, you saying you never felt envious of someone else?Be it o.k or not you really have no place to judge anyone!
Quote from: jolly on 09/06/2007 23:03:41The flood It didnt work and evil returned!so, the god who does not kill and loves everyone - even sinners - did try to kill lots of people!
Quote from: jolly on 09/06/2007 23:03:41Well if you think you have never sinned thats fine, Not my job to judge you but really do you even know how many ways there are to sin? Envy is a sin for example, you saying you never felt envious of someone else?Be it o.k or not you really have no place to judge anyone!to have sinned i must first believe in god, yet not all religions believe in sin. why should i be envious of anyone? i have a daughter who i love and loves me back, health, happiness...
Quote from: paul.fr on 09/06/2007 23:14:39Quote from: jolly on 09/06/2007 23:03:41Well if you think you have never sinned thats fine, Not my job to judge you but really do you even know how many ways there are to sin? Envy is a sin for example, you saying you never felt envious of someone else?Be it o.k or not you really have no place to judge anyone!to have sinned i must first believe in god, yet not all religions believe in sin. why should i be envious of anyone? i have a daughter who i love and loves me back, health, happiness...No sorry but crimes be they of religious or human origin are crimes! And ultimately saying I do not believe in god and therefore, I have a loop hole within which I can avoid sining, is incorrect as weather you believe in god or not, should god exsist, there is no loophole!
In Revelation he gets booted again. And rages on earth, I think it's now.
QuoteQuote from: paul.fr on 09/06/2007 23:14:39Quote from: jolly on 09/06/2007 23:03:41Well if you think you have never sinned thats fine, Not my job to judge you but really do you even know how many ways there are to sin? Envy is a sin for example, you saying you never felt envious of someone else?Be it o.k or not you really have no place to judge anyone!to have sinned i must first believe in god, yet not all religions believe in sin. why should i be envious of anyone? i have a daughter who i love and loves me back, health, happiness...No sorry but crimes be they of religious or human origin are crimes! And ultimately saying I do not believe in god and therefore, I have a loop hole within which I can avoid sining, is incorrect as weather you believe in god or not, should god exsist, there is no loophole!No loophole? What if you've never heard of God or Jesus? There must be millions of Chinese who haven't.QuoteIn Revelation he gets booted again. And rages on earth, I think it's now.Booted again? So when was he let back in?
I believe 1 of the 10 commandments is "Thou shalt not kill". Hmmm, looks like God broke his own commandment, doesn't it. Oh, of course, that was "slaughter"; a totally different thing - more akin to genocide.Speaking of the 10 commandments..."You shall have no other gods before me." - He didn't say there are no other Gods."...you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me" - Jealousy, vindictiveness, infanticide. Plus he said "...a jealous God". If he were the only 1 then simply saying "I get jealous" would suffice. By saying "...a jealous God" he is inferring that there are other Gods who do NOT get jealous.Let's face it, either God had a personality change between the OT & the NT or it's a different God. Or (dare I suggest?) the whole thing is a load of old cods!
Christendom has been a great foundation of civilization, faulted leaders yes, but the rigid Bible benevolent and wise.Rome was a briliiant civilization with laws and rights... but also the violence and unstable government, and Nero the psychopath.What would we have now if all we had was Mars, Bacchus, Jupiter, Atheism, Odinne...?Karl Marx grew and thought in a society much influenced by Jesus Christ. Socialists apologise saying, in Hungary, that his ideas weren't all bad, they even resemble Jesus ideas.I see that, even Solomon wrote that he prayed as wisdom, not to have too much or too little. For relationship, nice.But we see in Marx applied that the principles were called "social" but Russia was not according to and isn't a principled people now, after decades of forced atheism.They lost their motivation and there principles. Have other drives. Look at sex there now. And the old Russian and Romanian orphanages. Stalin's five days of anarchy.Even though the Bible was not an economics book, better economy and workers rights and people's welfare comes from it's adherents and those influenced by it.Paul the apostle gently pushed away slavery and encouraged charity form region of plenty to drought... little things.Marx overlooked the economy. And the source of principle and motivation to be principled as for social welfare.Was Marx trying to look beyond materialism? I then write that we must be careful of Dawkins, a new age Karl Marx and the possible degeneration of moral and just principles and drives to accord them. Atheist sure have fun sometimes but they really aren't out to be benevolent. It is spiritual and sometimes religious people who want more than pleasures and self interest.Atheism is like a Chameleon, in the ages, but what if the Chameleon determines it's own colour?