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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: championoftruth on 10/08/2023 22:53:54
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The Cosmic Crusade: How Dark Matter and Dark Energy Became the Astronomical Faith
In the vast expanse of modern astronomy, an intriguing transformation has occurred that rivals even the most fervent religious conversions in history. Enter the era of the cosmic congregation ? where Dark Matter and Dark Energy have ascended to the status of celestial deities, worshipped by astronomers with a zeal that mirrors religious fervor. It's as if the cosmos itself has become a canvas for a new form of faith, with skeptics cast into the shadows as heretics of this astronomical religion.
The origin story of this cosmic devotion can be traced back to the persistent gaps within our understanding of the universe. Enter Dark Matter and Dark Energy ? the cosmic enigmas that, like guardian angels, have been conjured to rescue astronomers from the abyss of ignorance. Astrophysicists, in their alchemical wisdom, have crafted these two mystical forces to account for the inexplicable ? the mysterious mass that seems to steer galaxies and the enigmatic energy that propels cosmic expansion.
Astronomers, once beacons of empirical inquiry, have now become celestial disciples, chanting equations and invoking these ethereal concepts as if they hold the keys to the cosmic kingdom. The resemblance between traditional religious rituals and the practices of the Cosmic Crusaders is uncanny. Hierophants of this newfound faith gather in observatories and laboratories, reciting incantations of "dark matter halos" and "cosmological constants" to assert their beliefs. Yet, much like the medieval dogma, this faith tolerates no dissent; skeptics are labeled heretics, their rational inquiries met with skepticism.
The irony is palpable ? a field that emerged from the crucible of skepticism now vilifies those who dare to question. Skeptics, like modern-day Galileos, find themselves cast out of the celestial congregation, shunned as blasphemers against the cosmic doctrines. Should we institute an astronomical inquisition, where skeptics are subjected to relentless scrutiny, their scientific reputations scorched in the fires of consensus?
The zeal displayed by adherents of Dark Matter and Dark Energy is eerily reminiscent of religious zealots from bygone eras. Any skepticism is met with fervent citations of the "cosmic microwave background" and "supernovae data," revered texts that supposedly validate their creed. Contradictory evidence is swept under the rug, and doubts are cloaked in cosmic mysticism.
It's astonishing how a field that once celebrated pioneers who questioned the norms has metamorphosed into a monolithic faith, where two omnipresent forces dictate cosmic law. Dissent is met with hostility, curiosity is shackled, and scientific rigor is overshadowed by blind faith. The guiding light of empirical inquiry now flickers beneath the blinding radiance of cosmic belief.
In closing, the Cosmic Crusade of Dark Matter and Dark Energy has elevated these concepts to the echelons of modern-day deities, their followers entranced by a cosmic devotion that overshadows skepticism. Skeptics are now like heretics, facing the daunting task of challenging an entrenched orthodoxy. As the celestial choir recites equations and venerates the unseen forces that govern the universe, let us remember that the spirit of inquiry and the tenacity of skepticism are the true cornerstones of scientific progress, even in the face of the most dogmatic beliefs.
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Has dark matter and dark energy become a faith now for astronomers?
No.
Because there's evidence for dark matter etc.
Were you not aware of that?
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In closing, the Cosmic Crusade of Dark Matter and Dark Energy has elevated these concepts to the echelons of modern-day deities, their followers entranced by a cosmic devotion that overshadows skepticism. Skeptics are now like heretics, facing the daunting task of challenging an entrenched orthodoxy. As the celestial choir recites equations and venerates the unseen forces that govern the universe, let us remember that the spirit of inquiry and the tenacity of skepticism are the true cornerstones of scientific progress, even in the face of the most dogmatic beliefs.
Just a little more antiscience trolling.
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The OP is obviously a science denier, what the hell is posting on a science forum for? Since what he(she) writes is gibberish all he achieves is ridicule. Utterly pointless.
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Contradictory evidence
None visible here. Citation needed.
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Has dark matter and dark energy become a faith now for astronomers?
No.
Because there's evidence for dark matter etc.
Were you not aware of that?
No evidence. just more unproven outlandish conjectures
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a field that emerged from the crucible of skepticism now vilifies those who dare to question.
There's nothing wrong with questioning an idea, so long as it doesn't result in denial of evidence.
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No evidence.
There really is evidence, and there has been for nearly a century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter#History
Why do you choose to lie about it?
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No evidence.
There really is evidence, and there has been for nearly a century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter#History
Why do you choose to lie about it?
That is not evidence. That is groupthink consensus. Just like the sun goes around the earth.
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That is groupthink consensus.
The measured motion of stars is not "groupthink consensus".
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That is not evidence. That is groupthink consensus. Just like the sun goes around the earth.
That sounds just like something an anti -science troll would say.
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In closing, the Cosmic Crusade of Dark Matter and Dark Energy has elevated these concepts to the echelons of modern-day deities, their followers entranced by a cosmic devotion that overshadows skepticism. Skeptics are now like heretics, facing the daunting task of challenging an entrenched orthodoxy. As the celestial choir recites equations and venerates the unseen forces that govern the universe, let us remember that the spirit of inquiry and the tenacity of skepticism are the true cornerstones of scientific progress, even in the face of the most dogmatic beliefs.
Just a little more antiscience trolling.
They have invented axions now to account for their failure to find any dark matter. Worse and worse.
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No evidence.
There really is evidence, and there has been for nearly a century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter#History
Why do you choose to lie about it?
Oh, dark matter, the cosmic clown that's had astronomers chuckling for a century, and there's still no sign of a punchline that makes sense. It's like they've been on an intergalactic wild goose chase for a hundred years, and all they've got to show for it is a bunch of cosmic whoopee cushions that keep deflating when they sit on them.
Now, enter axions, the absurdity's absurdity. Astronomers, in their never-ending quest to turn the universe into a comedy show, have introduced these quirky particles into the cosmic script. It's as if they've decided to juggle flaming bowling pins while riding a unicycle on a tightrope that's on fire - you know, just to make the whole thing even more ridiculous.
Picture this: Astronomers, with telescopes pointed at the void, staring blankly at the cosmic canvas, suddenly shout, "Dark matter, axions, and...um, other stuff, I guess?" as if they're naming random things from their grocery list and hoping it will magically make sense. It's like trying to play chess with a set of Scrabble tiles - chaotic and utterly incoherent.
They've essentially turned the pursuit of knowledge into a century-long cosmic slapstick routine, where the punchline is eternally delayed, and dark matter is the banana peel that keeps astronomers slipping. Axions, in this carnival of chaos, are the cotton candy that's been flung into the crowd, sticking to everyone and making everything even stickier.
So, here's to our persistent astronomers, who've transformed the cosmos into a never-ending cosmic stand-up show, with dark matter as the bumbling, pratfall-prone comedian. Keep the popcorn handy, folks; this spectacle of cosmic confusion shows no sign of a sensible ending anytime soon.
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Comedy show? The only comedy is your postings of gibberish. On second thoughts it's not comedy, it's pathos.
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They have invented axions now to account for their failure to find any dark matter. Worse and worse.
If you had done your research, you would have known that axions were not invented to explain dark matter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axion
Oh, dark matter, the cosmic clown that's had astronomers chuckling for a century, and there's still no sign of a punchline that makes sense. It's like they've been on an intergalactic wild goose chase for a hundred years, and all they've got to show for it is a bunch of cosmic whoopee cushions that keep deflating when they sit on them.
Now, enter axions, the absurdity's absurdity. Astronomers, in their never-ending quest to turn the universe into a comedy show, have introduced these quirky particles into the cosmic script. It's as if they've decided to juggle flaming bowling pins while riding a unicycle on a tightrope that's on fire - you know, just to make the whole thing even more ridiculous.
Picture this: Astronomers, with telescopes pointed at the void, staring blankly at the cosmic canvas, suddenly shout, "Dark matter, axions, and...um, other stuff, I guess?" as if they're naming random things from their grocery list and hoping it will magically make sense. It's like trying to play chess with a set of Scrabble tiles - chaotic and utterly incoherent.
They've essentially turned the pursuit of knowledge into a century-long cosmic slapstick routine, where the punchline is eternally delayed, and dark matter is the banana peel that keeps astronomers slipping. Axions, in this carnival of chaos, are the cotton candy that's been flung into the crowd, sticking to everyone and making everything even stickier.
So, here's to our persistent astronomers, who've transformed the cosmos into a never-ending cosmic stand-up show, with dark matter as the bumbling, pratfall-prone comedian. Keep the popcorn handy, folks; this spectacle of cosmic confusion shows no sign of a sensible ending anytime soon.
And not a single word of that addressed the evidence that Bored Chemist linked to.
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No evidence.
There really is evidence, and there has been for nearly a century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter#History
Why do you choose to lie about it?
Oh, dark matter, the cosmic clown that's had astronomers chuckling for a century, and there's still no sign of a punchline that makes sense. It's like they've been on an intergalactic wild goose chase for a hundred years, and all they've got to show for it is a bunch of cosmic whoopee cushions that keep deflating when they sit on them.
Now, enter axions, the absurdity's absurdity. Astronomers, in their never-ending quest to turn the universe into a comedy show, have introduced these quirky particles into the cosmic script. It's as if they've decided to juggle flaming bowling pins while riding a unicycle on a tightrope that's on fire - you know, just to make the whole thing even more ridiculous.
Picture this: Astronomers, with telescopes pointed at the void, staring blankly at the cosmic canvas, suddenly shout, "Dark matter, axions, and...um, other stuff, I guess?" as if they're naming random things from their grocery list and hoping it will magically make sense. It's like trying to play chess with a set of Scrabble tiles - chaotic and utterly incoherent.
They've essentially turned the pursuit of knowledge into a century-long cosmic slapstick routine, where the punchline is eternally delayed, and dark matter is the banana peel that keeps astronomers slipping. Axions, in this carnival of chaos, are the cotton candy that's been flung into the crowd, sticking to everyone and making everything even stickier.
So, here's to our persistent astronomers, who've transformed the cosmos into a never-ending cosmic stand-up show, with dark matter as the bumbling, pratfall-prone comedian. Keep the popcorn handy, folks; this spectacle of cosmic confusion shows no sign of a sensible ending anytime soon.
It would have been quicker, and said the same thing, if you had just typed "La La La La I'm not listening".
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No evidence.
There really is evidence, and there has been for nearly a century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter#History
Why do you choose to lie about it?
Oh, dark matter, the cosmic clown that's had astronomers chuckling for a century, and there's still no sign of a punchline that makes sense. It's like they've been on an intergalactic wild goose chase for a hundred years, and all they've got to show for it is a bunch of cosmic whoopee cushions that keep deflating when they sit on them.
Now, enter axions, the absurdity's absurdity. Astronomers, in their never-ending quest to turn the universe into a comedy show, have introduced these quirky particles into the cosmic script. It's as if they've decided to juggle flaming bowling pins while riding a unicycle on a tightrope that's on fire - you know, just to make the whole thing even more ridiculous.
Picture this: Astronomers, with telescopes pointed at the void, staring blankly at the cosmic canvas, suddenly shout, "Dark matter, axions, and...um, other stuff, I guess?" as if they're naming random things from their grocery list and hoping it will magically make sense. It's like trying to play chess with a set of Scrabble tiles - chaotic and utterly incoherent.
They've essentially turned the pursuit of knowledge into a century-long cosmic slapstick routine, where the punchline is eternally delayed, and dark matter is the banana peel that keeps astronomers slipping. Axions, in this carnival of chaos, are the cotton candy that's been flung into the crowd, sticking to everyone and making everything even stickier.
So, here's to our persistent astronomers, who've transformed the cosmos into a never-ending cosmic stand-up show, with dark matter as the bumbling, pratfall-prone comedian. Keep the popcorn handy, folks; this spectacle of cosmic confusion shows no sign of a sensible ending anytime soon.
It would have been quicker, and said the same thing, if you had just typed "La La La La I'm not listening".
Well its getting worse these astronomers have now invented anther fantasy.
it called
wait for it...
DARK PHOTONS !!!
and guess what?
They have also invented ...
wait for it...
DARK SECTORS !!!
In case you think i am making it up.
https://physicsworld.com/a/dark-photons-could-explain-high-energy-scattering-data/
Its a scandal astronomy has been reduced to this level of garbage without any evidence.
My satire has been proved correct.
Now i will have to make anther one for dark photons and dark sectors. The nonsense from these charlatans never stops.
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They have invented axions now to account for their failure to find any dark matter. Worse and worse.
If you had done your research, you would have known that axions were not invented to explain dark matter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axion
Oh, dark matter, the cosmic clown that's had astronomers chuckling for a century, and there's still no sign of a punchline that makes sense. It's like they've been on an intergalactic wild goose chase for a hundred years, and all they've got to show for it is a bunch of cosmic whoopee cushions that keep deflating when they sit on them.
Now, enter axions, the absurdity's absurdity. Astronomers, in their never-ending quest to turn the universe into a comedy show, have introduced these quirky particles into the cosmic script. It's as if they've decided to juggle flaming bowling pins while riding a unicycle on a tightrope that's on fire - you know, just to make the whole thing even more ridiculous.
Picture this: Astronomers, with telescopes pointed at the void, staring blankly at the cosmic canvas, suddenly shout, "Dark matter, axions, and...um, other stuff, I guess?" as if they're naming random things from their grocery list and hoping it will magically make sense. It's like trying to play chess with a set of Scrabble tiles - chaotic and utterly incoherent.
They've essentially turned the pursuit of knowledge into a century-long cosmic slapstick routine, where the punchline is eternally delayed, and dark matter is the banana peel that keeps astronomers slipping. Axions, in this carnival of chaos, are the cotton candy that's been flung into the crowd, sticking to everyone and making everything even stickier.
So, here's to our persistent astronomers, who've transformed the cosmos into a never-ending cosmic stand-up show, with dark matter as the bumbling, pratfall-prone comedian. Keep the popcorn handy, folks; this spectacle of cosmic confusion shows no sign of a sensible ending anytime soon.
And not a single word of that addressed the evidence that Bored Chemist linked to.
i read it. its not evidence.
''One theory of axions relevant to cosmology had predicted that they would have no electric charge, a very small mass in the range from 1 ?eV/c? to 1 eV/c?, and very low interaction cross-sections for strong and weak forces. Because of their properties, axions would interact only minimally with ordinary matter. Axions would also change to and from photons in magnetic fields."
how convenient. Made up rubbish.
No evidence for axions.They are just making stuff up now.
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i read it. its not evidence.
So the obvious solution to the galactic rotation curve anomaly this whole time has been... what?
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No evidence for axions.
You mean "No evidence for axions yet."
The experiments are still underway.
But you are missing the point. Even if dark mass doesn't turn out to be axions, we still know that it's real.
Are you missing it deliberately, or do you just not understand?
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No evidence for axions.
You mean "No evidence for axions yet."
The experiments are still underway.
But you are missing the point. Even if dark mass doesn't turn out to be axions, we still know that it's real.
Are you missing it deliberately, or do you just not understand?
A compare and contrast hubble photos and JWST photos of the same galaxy found the missing mass. Its just ordinary matter glowing less brightly. no mysterious dark matter. you can see it yourself.
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No evidence for axions.
You mean "No evidence for axions yet."
The experiments are still underway.
But you are missing the point. Even if dark mass doesn't turn out to be axions, we still know that it's real.
Are you missing it deliberately, or do you just not understand?
A compare and contrast hubble photos and JWST photos of the same galaxy found the missing mass. Its just ordinary matter glowing less brightly. no mysterious dark matter. you can see it yourself.
Ok, I will take that as saying you don't understand.
The evidence still supports missing mass.
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A compare and contrast hubble photos and JWST photos of the same galaxy found the missing mass. Its just ordinary matter glowing less brightly. no mysterious dark matter. you can see it yourself.
Source?
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A compare and contrast hubble photos and JWST photos of the same galaxy found the missing mass. Its just ordinary matter glowing less brightly. no mysterious dark matter. you can see it yourself.
I assume this is your opinion, which is some mighty flimsy 'evidence' for your side.
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A compare and contrast hubble photos and JWST photos of the same galaxy found the missing mass. Its just ordinary matter glowing less brightly. no mysterious dark matter. you can see it yourself.
Source?
Nasa pictures. They showed a picture of a galaxy with dark patches between the arms by Hubble. Then superimposed one by JWST and low and behold the dark patches were no more dark patches but gas glowing less brightly due to being distant from other stars in the arms and getting less illumination/radiation. No more mysterious dark matter dark energy dark sextors dark axions.
Astronomy has been discredited by these ad hoc pitchers inventing nonsense to support a theory with so many holes now. This comedy act that astronomers have been entertaining us with for a century, and it's still about as coherent as a cat chasing a laser pointer. They've been on an interstellar scavenger hunt for a hundred years, and all they've found are cosmic rubber chickens that keep squawking when they squeeze them.
But hold on to your telescopes, because there's a new sideshow in town. Now, astronomers have conjured up the whimsical notion of dark photons and dark sectors to add to their carnival of cosmic confusion. It's like they've decided to throw an intergalactic costume party with invisible costumes and invited ghosts as their guests of honor. This cosmic circus just keeps getting zanier!
Picture this: Astronomers, peering through telescopes at the great cosmic unknown, suddenly shout, "Dark matter, axions, dark photons, dark sectors, and...I don't know, maybe some invisible circus clowns too?" as if they're playing cosmic charades with rules only they understand. It's like trying to play chess with pieces that are constantly shape-shifting and slipping through your fingers like quicksilver.
They've essentially transformed the pursuit of knowledge into a century-long cosmic vaudeville act, where the punchline is always just out of reach, and dark matter is the banana peel that keeps astronomers stumbling, while dark photons and dark sectors are the ethereal jesters making cosmic jests nobody can quite comprehend.
So, here's to our indefatigable astronomers, who've turned the universe into a never-ending cosmic comedy sketch with more surreal characters and props than a Salvador Dal? painting. Keep the popcorn handy, folks; this spectacle of cosmic absurdity shows no sign of wrapping up anytime soon.
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I'm asking for a link. Give me a link to some kind of scientific publication where it was stated that the missing mass was discovered by comparing photographs.
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I'm asking for a link. Give me a link to some kind of scientific publication where it was stated that the missing mass was discovered by comparing photographs.
I was assuming you could look it up yourself instead of me quoting what you would consider a biased source.
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I'm asking for a link. Give me a link to some kind of scientific publication where it was stated that the missing mass was discovered by comparing photographs.
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A compare and contrast hubble photos and JWST photos of the same galaxy found the missing mass. Its just ordinary matter glowing less brightly. no mysterious dark matter. you can see it yourself.
Source?
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I was assuming you could look it up yourself instead of me quoting what you would consider a biased source.
She's not so biased as you might think I'd believe. She has very good points and I actually agree with her that MOND is something that is worth exploring. Moreover, dark matter and MOND aren't mutually exclusive. Some combination of the two may prove to be the solution.
Also, that PDF you posted appears to be about MOND. I, on the other hand, was asking you specifically about this quote of yours:
Nasa pictures. They showed a picture of a galaxy with dark patches between the arms by Hubble. Then superimposed one by JWST and low and behold the dark patches were no more dark patches but gas glowing less brightly due to being distant from other stars in the arms and getting less illumination/radiation. No more mysterious dark matter dark energy dark sextors dark axions.
I see no mention of Hubble, JWST or photographs in that paper you linked. So again I must ask you: what study was it that revealed the source of the missing mass had been discovered by comparing NASA photographs? More specifically, how was the mass of those patches of gas measured so it could be compared to the expected missing mass value? If we had found that the missing mass really was just clouds of normal matter, there would be no need for either dark matter or MOND, so I don't know why you are linking me a MOND video and a MOND paper.
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I was assuming you could look it up yourself instead of me quoting what you would consider a biased source.
She's not so biased as you might think I'd believe. She has very good points and I actually agree with her that MOND is something that is worth exploring. Moreover, dark matter and MOND aren't mutually exclusive. Some combination of the two may prove to be the solution.
Also, that PDF you posted appears to be about MOND. I, on the other hand, was asking you specifically about this quote of yours:
Nasa pictures. They showed a picture of a galaxy with dark patches between the arms by Hubble. Then superimposed one by JWST and low and behold the dark patches were no more dark patches but gas glowing less brightly due to being distant from other stars in the arms and getting less illumination/radiation. No more mysterious dark matter dark energy dark sextors dark axions.
I see no mention of Hubble, JWST or photographs in that paper you linked. So again I must ask you: what study was it that revealed the source of the missing mass had been discovered by comparing NASA photographs? More specifically, how was the mass of those patches of gas measured so it could be compared to the expected missing mass value? If we had found that the missing mass really was just clouds of normal matter, there would be no need for either dark matter or MOND, so I don't know why you are linking me a MOND video and a MOND paper.
The paper is not about MOND.
I lost the link and will post when i find it. Why dont you search for it?
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The paper is not about MOND.
The paper says:
In the presented paper we have considered the possible explanation of observed galactic
rotation curves by the assumption that the observed effect of the flatness can be explained by
some alternative theory of gravity which introduces an extra term which we called �(�).
It may not be the original MOND model, but it sure sounds like a model of modified gravity to me.
I lost the link and will post when i find it. Why dont you search for it?
My searches so far have only discussed how JWST has produced better images than Hubble. I haven't seen any reports where JWST had discovered that dark matter was just dim normal matter.
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Is the cosmic microwave background radiation pseudoscience as billions of light years of gas and dust of varying density between the detector and the edge of the universe which must make the measurements false?
What you are measuring is the varying temperature of that intervening gas and dust.
but you will say microwaves go thru gas and dust. Really? gas and dust is transparent you say.
Really?
100.00000000000000000000000000% transparent?
it's nonsense.
Even the most perfect glass absorbs some fraction of the light passing threw it....
it just like dark matter.
More pseudoscience poorly thought out.
The CMB is more like astrology.
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I'm asking for a link. Give me a link to some kind of scientific publication where it was stated that the missing mass was discovered by comparing photographs.
you can find links yourself.your afraid that the dark matter is just nonsense to group think concensus
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A compare and contrast hubble photos and JWST photos of the same galaxy found the missing mass. Its just ordinary matter glowing less brightly. no mysterious dark matter. you can see it yourself.
I almost accused you of lying, but that would be incorrect I think. I think it is just ignorance. The increased number of stars seen with the JWST were not a surprise and do not account for the contribution from dark matter.
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you can find links yourself.your afraid that the dark matter is just nonsense to group think concensus
Uhhh, no.
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I'm asking for a link. Give me a link to some kind of scientific publication where it was stated that the missing mass was discovered by comparing photographs.
you can find links yourself.your afraid that the dark matter is just nonsense to group think concensus
As you are the one who brought it up, the onus is on you to provide the support for it.
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How dense do you think interstellar gas and dust is compared to glass? Do you think radio waves behave in the same manner as visible light?
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Is the cosmic microwave background radiation pseudoscience
No.
You should rename yourself championofantiscience.