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Has dark matter and dark energy become a faith now for astronomers?
« on: 10/08/2023 22:53:54 »
The Cosmic Crusade: How Dark Matter and Dark Energy Became the Astronomical Faith

In the vast expanse of modern astronomy, an intriguing transformation has occurred that rivals even the most fervent religious conversions in history. Enter the era of the cosmic congregation ? where Dark Matter and Dark Energy have ascended to the status of celestial deities, worshipped by astronomers with a zeal that mirrors religious fervor. It's as if the cosmos itself has become a canvas for a new form of faith, with skeptics cast into the shadows as heretics of this astronomical religion.

The origin story of this cosmic devotion can be traced back to the persistent gaps within our understanding of the universe. Enter Dark Matter and Dark Energy ? the cosmic enigmas that, like guardian angels, have been conjured to rescue astronomers from the abyss of ignorance. Astrophysicists, in their alchemical wisdom, have crafted these two mystical forces to account for the inexplicable ? the mysterious mass that seems to steer galaxies and the enigmatic energy that propels cosmic expansion.

Astronomers, once beacons of empirical inquiry, have now become celestial disciples, chanting equations and invoking these ethereal concepts as if they hold the keys to the cosmic kingdom. The resemblance between traditional religious rituals and the practices of the Cosmic Crusaders is uncanny. Hierophants of this newfound faith gather in observatories and laboratories, reciting incantations of "dark matter halos" and "cosmological constants" to assert their beliefs. Yet, much like the medieval dogma, this faith tolerates no dissent; skeptics are labeled heretics, their rational inquiries met with skepticism.

The irony is palpable ? a field that emerged from the crucible of skepticism now vilifies those who dare to question. Skeptics, like modern-day Galileos, find themselves cast out of the celestial congregation, shunned as blasphemers against the cosmic doctrines. Should we institute an astronomical inquisition, where skeptics are subjected to relentless scrutiny, their scientific reputations scorched in the fires of consensus?

The zeal displayed by adherents of Dark Matter and Dark Energy is eerily reminiscent of religious zealots from bygone eras. Any skepticism is met with fervent citations of the "cosmic microwave background" and "supernovae data," revered texts that supposedly validate their creed. Contradictory evidence is swept under the rug, and doubts are cloaked in cosmic mysticism.

It's astonishing how a field that once celebrated pioneers who questioned the norms has metamorphosed into a monolithic faith, where two omnipresent forces dictate cosmic law. Dissent is met with hostility, curiosity is shackled, and scientific rigor is overshadowed by blind faith. The guiding light of empirical inquiry now flickers beneath the blinding radiance of cosmic belief.

In closing, the Cosmic Crusade of Dark Matter and Dark Energy has elevated these concepts to the echelons of modern-day deities, their followers entranced by a cosmic devotion that overshadows skepticism. Skeptics are now like heretics, facing the daunting task of challenging an entrenched orthodoxy. As the celestial choir recites equations and venerates the unseen forces that govern the universe, let us remember that the spirit of inquiry and the tenacity of skepticism are the true cornerstones of scientific progress, even in the face of the most dogmatic beliefs.
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Re: Has dark matter and dark energy become a faith now for astronomers?
« Reply #1 on: 11/08/2023 09:30:37 »
Has dark matter and dark energy become a faith now for astronomers?
No.
Because there's evidence for dark matter etc.

Were you not aware of that?
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Re: Has dark matter and dark energy become a faith now for astronomers?
« Reply #2 on: 11/08/2023 12:25:48 »
Quote from: championoftruth on 10/08/2023 22:53:54
In closing, the Cosmic Crusade of Dark Matter and Dark Energy has elevated these concepts to the echelons of modern-day deities, their followers entranced by a cosmic devotion that overshadows skepticism. Skeptics are now like heretics, facing the daunting task of challenging an entrenched orthodoxy. As the celestial choir recites equations and venerates the unseen forces that govern the universe, let us remember that the spirit of inquiry and the tenacity of skepticism are the true cornerstones of scientific progress, even in the face of the most dogmatic beliefs.
Just a little more antiscience trolling.
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Re: Has dark matter and dark energy become a faith now for astronomers?
« Reply #3 on: 11/08/2023 18:14:39 »
The OP is obviously a science denier, what the hell is posting on a science forum for? Since what he(she) writes is gibberish all he achieves is ridicule. Utterly pointless.
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Re: Has dark matter and dark energy become a faith now for astronomers?
« Reply #4 on: 11/08/2023 19:49:41 »
Quote from: championoftruth on 10/08/2023 22:53:54
Contradictory evidence
None visible here. Citation needed.
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Re: Has dark matter and dark energy become a faith now for astronomers?
« Reply #5 on: 11/08/2023 20:51:46 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 11/08/2023 09:30:37
Has dark matter and dark energy become a faith now for astronomers?
No.
Because there's evidence for dark matter etc.

Were you not aware of that?

No evidence. just more unproven outlandish conjectures
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Re: Has dark matter and dark energy become a faith now for astronomers?
« Reply #6 on: 11/08/2023 21:08:01 »
Quote from: championoftruth on 10/08/2023 22:53:54
a field that emerged from the crucible of skepticism now vilifies those who dare to question.

There's nothing wrong with questioning an idea, so long as it doesn't result in denial of evidence.
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Re: Has dark matter and dark energy become a faith now for astronomers?
« Reply #7 on: 12/08/2023 00:21:20 »
Quote from: championoftruth on 11/08/2023 20:51:46
No evidence.
There really is evidence, and there has been for nearly a century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter#History
Why do you choose to lie about it?
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Re: Has dark matter and dark energy become a faith now for astronomers?
« Reply #8 on: 02/10/2023 20:34:13 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 12/08/2023 00:21:20
Quote from: championoftruth on 11/08/2023 20:51:46
No evidence.
There really is evidence, and there has been for nearly a century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter#History
Why do you choose to lie about it?

That is not evidence. That is groupthink consensus. Just like the sun goes around the earth.
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Re: Has dark matter and dark energy become a faith now for astronomers?
« Reply #9 on: 02/10/2023 22:38:56 »
Quote from: championoftruth on 02/10/2023 20:34:13
That is groupthink consensus.

The measured motion of stars is not "groupthink consensus".
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Re: Has dark matter and dark energy become a faith now for astronomers?
« Reply #10 on: 02/10/2023 23:06:55 »
Quote from: championoftruth on 02/10/2023 20:34:13
That is not evidence. That is groupthink consensus. Just like the sun goes around the earth.
That sounds just like something an anti -science troll would say.
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Re: Has dark matter and dark energy become a faith now for astronomers?
« Reply #11 on: 18/10/2023 15:06:52 »
Quote from: Origin on 11/08/2023 12:25:48
Quote from: championoftruth on 10/08/2023 22:53:54
In closing, the Cosmic Crusade of Dark Matter and Dark Energy has elevated these concepts to the echelons of modern-day deities, their followers entranced by a cosmic devotion that overshadows skepticism. Skeptics are now like heretics, facing the daunting task of challenging an entrenched orthodoxy. As the celestial choir recites equations and venerates the unseen forces that govern the universe, let us remember that the spirit of inquiry and the tenacity of skepticism are the true cornerstones of scientific progress, even in the face of the most dogmatic beliefs.
Just a little more antiscience trolling.

They have invented axions now to account for their failure to find any dark matter. Worse and worse.
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Re: Has dark matter and dark energy become a faith now for astronomers?
« Reply #12 on: 18/10/2023 15:11:37 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 12/08/2023 00:21:20
Quote from: championoftruth on 11/08/2023 20:51:46
No evidence.
There really is evidence, and there has been for nearly a century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter#History
Why do you choose to lie about it?

Oh, dark matter, the cosmic clown that's had astronomers chuckling for a century, and there's still no sign of a punchline that makes sense. It's like they've been on an intergalactic wild goose chase for a hundred years, and all they've got to show for it is a bunch of cosmic whoopee cushions that keep deflating when they sit on them.

Now, enter axions, the absurdity's absurdity. Astronomers, in their never-ending quest to turn the universe into a comedy show, have introduced these quirky particles into the cosmic script. It's as if they've decided to juggle flaming bowling pins while riding a unicycle on a tightrope that's on fire - you know, just to make the whole thing even more ridiculous.

Picture this: Astronomers, with telescopes pointed at the void, staring blankly at the cosmic canvas, suddenly shout, "Dark matter, axions, and...um, other stuff, I guess?" as if they're naming random things from their grocery list and hoping it will magically make sense. It's like trying to play chess with a set of Scrabble tiles - chaotic and utterly incoherent.

They've essentially turned the pursuit of knowledge into a century-long cosmic slapstick routine, where the punchline is eternally delayed, and dark matter is the banana peel that keeps astronomers slipping. Axions, in this carnival of chaos, are the cotton candy that's been flung into the crowd, sticking to everyone and making everything even stickier.

So, here's to our persistent astronomers, who've transformed the cosmos into a never-ending cosmic stand-up show, with dark matter as the bumbling, pratfall-prone comedian. Keep the popcorn handy, folks; this spectacle of cosmic confusion shows no sign of a sensible ending anytime soon.
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Re: Has dark matter and dark energy become a faith now for astronomers?
« Reply #13 on: 18/10/2023 15:32:23 »
Comedy show? The only comedy is your postings of gibberish. On second thoughts it's not comedy, it's pathos.
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Re: Has dark matter and dark energy become a faith now for astronomers?
« Reply #14 on: 18/10/2023 17:13:52 »
Quote from: championoftruth on 18/10/2023 15:06:52
They have invented axions now to account for their failure to find any dark matter. Worse and worse.

If you had done your research, you would have known that axions were not invented to explain dark matter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axion

Quote from: championoftruth on 18/10/2023 15:11:37
Oh, dark matter, the cosmic clown that's had astronomers chuckling for a century, and there's still no sign of a punchline that makes sense. It's like they've been on an intergalactic wild goose chase for a hundred years, and all they've got to show for it is a bunch of cosmic whoopee cushions that keep deflating when they sit on them.

Now, enter axions, the absurdity's absurdity. Astronomers, in their never-ending quest to turn the universe into a comedy show, have introduced these quirky particles into the cosmic script. It's as if they've decided to juggle flaming bowling pins while riding a unicycle on a tightrope that's on fire - you know, just to make the whole thing even more ridiculous.

Picture this: Astronomers, with telescopes pointed at the void, staring blankly at the cosmic canvas, suddenly shout, "Dark matter, axions, and...um, other stuff, I guess?" as if they're naming random things from their grocery list and hoping it will magically make sense. It's like trying to play chess with a set of Scrabble tiles - chaotic and utterly incoherent.

They've essentially turned the pursuit of knowledge into a century-long cosmic slapstick routine, where the punchline is eternally delayed, and dark matter is the banana peel that keeps astronomers slipping. Axions, in this carnival of chaos, are the cotton candy that's been flung into the crowd, sticking to everyone and making everything even stickier.

So, here's to our persistent astronomers, who've transformed the cosmos into a never-ending cosmic stand-up show, with dark matter as the bumbling, pratfall-prone comedian. Keep the popcorn handy, folks; this spectacle of cosmic confusion shows no sign of a sensible ending anytime soon.

And not a single word of that addressed the evidence that Bored Chemist linked to.
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Re: Has dark matter and dark energy become a faith now for astronomers?
« Reply #15 on: 18/10/2023 18:49:48 »
Quote from: championoftruth on 18/10/2023 15:11:37
Quote from: Bored chemist on 12/08/2023 00:21:20
Quote from: championoftruth on 11/08/2023 20:51:46
No evidence.
There really is evidence, and there has been for nearly a century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter#History
Why do you choose to lie about it?

Oh, dark matter, the cosmic clown that's had astronomers chuckling for a century, and there's still no sign of a punchline that makes sense. It's like they've been on an intergalactic wild goose chase for a hundred years, and all they've got to show for it is a bunch of cosmic whoopee cushions that keep deflating when they sit on them.

Now, enter axions, the absurdity's absurdity. Astronomers, in their never-ending quest to turn the universe into a comedy show, have introduced these quirky particles into the cosmic script. It's as if they've decided to juggle flaming bowling pins while riding a unicycle on a tightrope that's on fire - you know, just to make the whole thing even more ridiculous.

Picture this: Astronomers, with telescopes pointed at the void, staring blankly at the cosmic canvas, suddenly shout, "Dark matter, axions, and...um, other stuff, I guess?" as if they're naming random things from their grocery list and hoping it will magically make sense. It's like trying to play chess with a set of Scrabble tiles - chaotic and utterly incoherent.

They've essentially turned the pursuit of knowledge into a century-long cosmic slapstick routine, where the punchline is eternally delayed, and dark matter is the banana peel that keeps astronomers slipping. Axions, in this carnival of chaos, are the cotton candy that's been flung into the crowd, sticking to everyone and making everything even stickier.

So, here's to our persistent astronomers, who've transformed the cosmos into a never-ending cosmic stand-up show, with dark matter as the bumbling, pratfall-prone comedian. Keep the popcorn handy, folks; this spectacle of cosmic confusion shows no sign of a sensible ending anytime soon.

It would have been quicker, and said the same thing, if you had just typed "La La La La I'm not listening".
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Re: Has dark matter and dark energy become a faith now for astronomers?
« Reply #16 on: 18/10/2023 20:48:20 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 18/10/2023 18:49:48
Quote from: championoftruth on 18/10/2023 15:11:37
Quote from: Bored chemist on 12/08/2023 00:21:20
Quote from: championoftruth on 11/08/2023 20:51:46
No evidence.
There really is evidence, and there has been for nearly a century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter#History
Why do you choose to lie about it?

Oh, dark matter, the cosmic clown that's had astronomers chuckling for a century, and there's still no sign of a punchline that makes sense. It's like they've been on an intergalactic wild goose chase for a hundred years, and all they've got to show for it is a bunch of cosmic whoopee cushions that keep deflating when they sit on them.

Now, enter axions, the absurdity's absurdity. Astronomers, in their never-ending quest to turn the universe into a comedy show, have introduced these quirky particles into the cosmic script. It's as if they've decided to juggle flaming bowling pins while riding a unicycle on a tightrope that's on fire - you know, just to make the whole thing even more ridiculous.

Picture this: Astronomers, with telescopes pointed at the void, staring blankly at the cosmic canvas, suddenly shout, "Dark matter, axions, and...um, other stuff, I guess?" as if they're naming random things from their grocery list and hoping it will magically make sense. It's like trying to play chess with a set of Scrabble tiles - chaotic and utterly incoherent.

They've essentially turned the pursuit of knowledge into a century-long cosmic slapstick routine, where the punchline is eternally delayed, and dark matter is the banana peel that keeps astronomers slipping. Axions, in this carnival of chaos, are the cotton candy that's been flung into the crowd, sticking to everyone and making everything even stickier.

So, here's to our persistent astronomers, who've transformed the cosmos into a never-ending cosmic stand-up show, with dark matter as the bumbling, pratfall-prone comedian. Keep the popcorn handy, folks; this spectacle of cosmic confusion shows no sign of a sensible ending anytime soon.

It would have been quicker, and said the same thing, if you had just typed "La La La La I'm not listening".

Well its getting worse these astronomers have now invented anther fantasy.
it called

wait for it...

DARK PHOTONS !!!

and guess what?

They have also invented ...

wait for it...

DARK SECTORS !!!

In case you think i am making it up.

https://physicsworld.com/a/dark-photons-could-explain-high-energy-scattering-data/

Its a scandal astronomy has been reduced to this level of garbage without any evidence.

My satire has been proved correct.

Now i will have to make anther one for dark photons and dark sectors. The nonsense from these charlatans never stops.
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Re: Has dark matter and dark energy become a faith now for astronomers?
« Reply #17 on: 18/10/2023 20:52:46 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 18/10/2023 17:13:52
Quote from: championoftruth on 18/10/2023 15:06:52
They have invented axions now to account for their failure to find any dark matter. Worse and worse.

If you had done your research, you would have known that axions were not invented to explain dark matter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axion

Quote from: championoftruth on 18/10/2023 15:11:37
Oh, dark matter, the cosmic clown that's had astronomers chuckling for a century, and there's still no sign of a punchline that makes sense. It's like they've been on an intergalactic wild goose chase for a hundred years, and all they've got to show for it is a bunch of cosmic whoopee cushions that keep deflating when they sit on them.

Now, enter axions, the absurdity's absurdity. Astronomers, in their never-ending quest to turn the universe into a comedy show, have introduced these quirky particles into the cosmic script. It's as if they've decided to juggle flaming bowling pins while riding a unicycle on a tightrope that's on fire - you know, just to make the whole thing even more ridiculous.

Picture this: Astronomers, with telescopes pointed at the void, staring blankly at the cosmic canvas, suddenly shout, "Dark matter, axions, and...um, other stuff, I guess?" as if they're naming random things from their grocery list and hoping it will magically make sense. It's like trying to play chess with a set of Scrabble tiles - chaotic and utterly incoherent.

They've essentially turned the pursuit of knowledge into a century-long cosmic slapstick routine, where the punchline is eternally delayed, and dark matter is the banana peel that keeps astronomers slipping. Axions, in this carnival of chaos, are the cotton candy that's been flung into the crowd, sticking to everyone and making everything even stickier.

So, here's to our persistent astronomers, who've transformed the cosmos into a never-ending cosmic stand-up show, with dark matter as the bumbling, pratfall-prone comedian. Keep the popcorn handy, folks; this spectacle of cosmic confusion shows no sign of a sensible ending anytime soon.

And not a single word of that addressed the evidence that Bored Chemist linked to.

i read it. its not evidence.

''One theory of axions relevant to cosmology had predicted that they would have no electric charge, a very small mass in the range from 1 ?eV/c? to 1 eV/c?, and very low interaction cross-sections for strong and weak forces. Because of their properties, axions would interact only minimally with ordinary matter. Axions would also change to and from photons in magnetic fields."

how convenient. Made up rubbish.

No evidence for axions.They are just making stuff up now.

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Re: Has dark matter and dark energy become a faith now for astronomers?
« Reply #18 on: 18/10/2023 21:39:36 »
Quote from: championoftruth on 18/10/2023 20:52:46
i read it. its not evidence.

So the obvious solution to the galactic rotation curve anomaly this whole time has been... what?
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Re: Has dark matter and dark energy become a faith now for astronomers?
« Reply #19 on: 18/10/2023 22:22:26 »
Quote from: championoftruth on 18/10/2023 20:52:46
No evidence for axions.
You mean "No evidence for axions yet."
The experiments are still underway.

But  you are missing the point. Even if dark mass doesn't turn out to be axions, we still know that it's real.

Are you missing it deliberately, or do you just not understand?
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