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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: LB7 on 18/12/2017 21:48:54

Title: Create or destroy the energy
Post by: LB7 on 18/12/2017 21:48:54
Look at the last message please.
Title: Re: Create or destroy the energy
Post by: Colin2B on 19/12/2017 10:13:40
some people understood I'm right ... but they say nothing...
This is a popular misconception made by people posting in New Theories. The general reason more experienced poster do not reply is because they see what the problem is but understand that it would take a great deal of time and effort to convince the theorist that they are wrong.

Physics is not my speciality...
An understanding of basic mechanics is an important part of physics.
Title: Re: Create or destroy the energy
Post by: alancalverd on 19/12/2017 10:35:51
This appears to be a device for stretching and thereby heating a spring, the purpose of which escapes me. But physics is my speciality, so what do I know?
Title: Re: Create or destroy the energy
Post by: Bored chemist on 22/12/2017 13:47:51
I can draw a unicorn farting hydrogen, but it doesn't mean I have solved the energy crisis.
Title: Re: Create or destroy the energy
Post by: Bored chemist on 22/12/2017 13:50:43
I think (it is a little more in fact ) some people understood I'm right ... but they say nothing

No, we just got tired of explaining that your idea s already proven to be impossible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether%27s_theorem

And your bizarre idea that you know better than the physicists, in spite of knowing that you don't understand physics is... well, let's just say there's a name for it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
Title: Re: Create or destroy the energy
Post by: Bored chemist on 23/12/2017 11:03:56
But my device is not an hamiltonnien
It can be mapped to a Hamiltonian.
Title: Re: Create or destroy the energy
Post by: Bored chemist on 23/12/2017 17:12:14
How ?
Answering that would need a clear explanation of how your system "works".
Title: Re: Create or destroy the energy
Post by: Bored chemist on 23/12/2017 18:22:58
"The blue color is small spheres like molecules of water but without mass and without friction. "
So, nothing actually real.
"The force of the spring is constant, doesn't depend of the length of the spring. "
So, not a real spring.

It's not going to work because it's impossible to construct- never mind anything complicated like Noether's theorem.
Title: Re: Create or destroy the energy
Post by: Bored chemist on 23/12/2017 19:27:17
It still makes no sense.
Title: Re: Create or destroy the energy
Post by: Bored chemist on 23/12/2017 19:46:14
Stuff like "the force of the spring is constant, doesn't depend of the length of the spring. " makes no sense; that's not how springs work.

"The springs have at each time the same orientation but the orientation change when the device deforms itself,"
Why does the device deform itself?

"the springs follows the orientation of the left wall "
Why?
Is it magic?

" The green line moves to the right. "
Why?
Title: Re: Create or destroy the energy
Post by: Bored chemist on 23/12/2017 22:51:34
Spring for watches works like that,
No, they don't.
That's why they had to invent this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusee_(horology)


I'm guessing part of the problem is linguistic.
I can't even parse this
"An external device, because the device is unstable. But that external count all the energies in/out."
Title: Re: Create or destroy the energy
Post by: smart on 27/12/2017 19:46:02
The sum of energy is well at 0 but there is the right shift of the blue spheres and like that the sum of energy is not at 0.

In my humble opinion I think it's not possible to create or destroy free energy without breaking the laws of physics...  ;)

See: https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/19216/why-cant-energy-be-created-or-destroyed
Title: Re: Create or destroy the energy
Post by: smart on 27/12/2017 20:22:52
Reality check: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy
Title: Re: Create or destroy the energy
Post by: yor_on on 31/12/2017 02:42:58
I think you need to answer Bored Chemist questions LB. They are to the point,  and you should try to explain how you see it, so that we can see it too.

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"The springs have at each time the same orientation but the orientation change when the device deforms itself,"

1. Why does the device deform itself?

"the springs follows the orientation of the left wall "

2. Why?


" The green line moves to the right. "

3. Why?  " "

Start with those.
Title: Re: Create or destroy the energy
Post by: Bored chemist on 01/01/2018 19:09:55
I take the mass and the friction at zero because it is easier to calculate.
If you make the right assumptions you can get any (un-physical) result you like.
Title: Re: Create or destroy the energy
Post by: syhprum on 07/01/2018 21:09:18
You cannot extract energy from nowhere by moving springs or weights about that has been proved umpteen times over the years, such devices can be used to store energy but you always eventually get less useful energy out than what you put in.

I does not take much engineering  skill to make a machine that appears to do this to extract money from suckers but physicist soon see thru it
Title: Re: Create or destroy the energy
Post by: Bored chemist on 08/01/2018 19:17:12
I don't find my mistake, could you help me ?
Your mistake is not recognising that what you think you have done is impossible.