Post by: guest39538 on 24/05/2018 10:21:01
I have considered this and for a solution of explanation I will explain a BH using more earthly physics .
let's us start with a packet of smarties and we shall spread them out in front of us on a surface like the diagram below:
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The smarties represent celestial bodies and the space between the smarties is representative of space and the gravitational radius apart.
So ok, moving on we will now start a BH in the centre of our diagram.
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Now as you can see in the diagram the BH expands and pushes the celestial bodies outwards rather than ''sucking them in'' (A n-field polar void and QFP)
To be continued
Post by: guest39538 on 24/05/2018 10:30:07
In accordance with Newtons third law, the external spacial field(s) , push back and the ''surface' of the BH becomes ''solid'' as if an impenetrable wall , a created force field that is transparent.
No external ''solids'' can enter the BH but ''solids'' can manifest in the BH by ZpP (zero point pressure).
Although the BH is expanding continuously , the external bodies of the BH are attracted to the BH by mass density increase of the BH.
Once the BH has formed a central c.o.m , the central c.o.m will repulse matter where matter then forms a distance away from the c.o.m but still within the BH.
In the early years of a BH forming, the BH has light but no substance, there is nothing to see so the BH looks black like the night sky between the distance stars.
The detection allowed by gravitational lensing where the em of space is shaping around the anomaly. The surface of the BH inverting the spacial n-field to create almost visible light.
Post by: guest39538 on 24/05/2018 10:51:12
exs.jpg (23.27 kB . 664x503 - viewed 3226 times)At some point in time there will be an eventuality where observer (A) cannot see the c.o.m and the c.o.m cannot see observer (A), in affect the BH will visually contract to the last observed body within the BH .
Bodies within a BH cannot escape the BH , they can only outskirt the perimeter of the boundary QFP ''wall''.
Post by: guest39538 on 24/05/2018 11:07:53
I have read it back and realise that I say inside the BH the formed c.o.m pushes other bodies back, the opposite to gravity. I did not explain why I though this, once the c.o.m has formed, the c.o.m is producing its own BH field within the BH that also expands over time causing the c.o.m to become unstable . The greater the expansion the less c.o.m pressure.
added- In simple terms imagine all particles are a BH c.o.m and all fields push against other fields. As the fields expand they push each other apart, the c.o.m loses ZpP and becomes unstable. There is less invert pressure , could me more invert pressure, I am just struggling to see that bit. Either way comets explode because of this , they enter our atmosphere and become pressured by density so are crushed to explode.
Oh... I think the asteroid belt could be the left overs of a collapsed BH. They asteroids could of been a planet, I wonder if it was our old planet lol,
Post by: guest39538 on 24/05/2018 14:06:20
/SBecause
-0.5 + 0.5 = 0
Δ0 = ΔkE
Post by: Bored chemist on 24/05/2018 19:22:55
Now as you can see in the diagram the BH expandsHow?
What is the carrier of the force that acts on the other bodies which pushes them?
Post by: Bored chemist on 24/05/2018 19:24:35
I am trying to explainYou have failed.
You don't seem to notice the difference between asserting something and actually showing that it is true.
Try learning to do that, before you waste more of your time.
Post by: guest39538 on 24/05/2018 19:58:54
You heard of magnetic bottling right? Consider a BH to be a reverse of the bottling and the magnetic field is pushing back the plasma from a central point.I am trying to explainYou have failed.
You don't seem to notice the difference between asserting something and actually showing that it is true.
Try learning to do that, before you waste more of your time.
Post by: Bored chemist on 24/05/2018 21:19:35
Consider a BH to be a reverse of the bottling and the magnetic field is pushing back the plasma from a central point.Why would it do that?
It's not the way black holes would be expected to behave.
It's not the way plasma is observed to behave.
Also, you forgot (or were unable) to answer the question
Now as you can see in the diagram the BH expandsHow?
What is the carrier of the force that acts on the other bodies which pushes them?
Post by: guest39538 on 24/05/2018 21:42:25
What is the carrier of the force that acts on the other bodies which pushes them?
The force is a natural phenomenon of a mono-pole expands under its own influence and so does a binary pair. Self inflating because no likewise polarity points cannot occupy the same point space.
Post by: Bored chemist on 24/05/2018 21:54:18
What is the carrier of the force that acts on the other bodies which pushes them?
Post by: guest39538 on 24/05/2018 21:58:09
I answered you ,if you do not understand I suggest you go learn some physics like I did.What is the carrier of the force that acts on the other bodies which pushes them?
Post by: Bored chemist on 26/05/2018 20:32:21
What I asked for was an explanation of how it would affect something else.
It's also clear that you still need to learn some physics, as well as some basic reading comprehension.
Post by: guest39538 on 26/05/2018 20:37:35
It's also clear that you still need to learn some physics, as well as some basic reading comprehension.Do we ever stop learning ? we all have some things to learn.
Why do things expand ? because points become polarised and enthalpic expansion happens.
H = kE + pV
= /t = 
Post by: Bored chemist on 26/05/2018 21:07:47
Post by: guest39538 on 26/05/2018 21:20:30
Since you have essentially fallen to the level of saying "because magic..." there's no real point to continuing this discussion.Because of magic? No , your failure to understand is not my fault.
I could make a BH , not that difficult.
Post by: Bored chemist on 26/05/2018 21:56:45
Since you have essentially fallen to the level of saying "because magic..." there's no real point to continuing this discussion.
Post by: guest39538 on 26/05/2018 22:04:48
I answered your question, do you want to re-phrase your question if you feel I have not answered it?Since you have essentially fallen to the level of saying "because magic..." there's no real point to continuing this discussion.
Post by: Bored chemist on 26/05/2018 22:12:19
Post by: guest39538 on 26/05/2018 22:31:44
Since you have essentially fallen to the level of saying "because magic..." there's no real point to continuing this discussion.Arr, I got it, now i have given you most of the information about the Universe, I am no longer needed so now I can have my ban.
Maybe even lock me up and name me Tommy hey .
Well I will welcome a ban as always ,, thanks.
Post by: Bored chemist on 26/05/2018 22:44:59
Why not just accept that and stop?
Anyway, in the mean time
Since you have essentially fallen to the level of saying "because magic..." there's no real point to continuing this discussion.
Post by: guest39538 on 26/05/2018 23:01:32
Well, you could try actually answering the point but... it seems you can't.Onto ignore, I think Sophia has a virus.
Why not just accept that and stop?
Anyway, in the mean time
Since you have essentially fallen to the level of saying "because magic..." there's no real point to continuing this discussion.
Post by: Bored chemist on 26/05/2018 23:03:24
Since you have essentially fallen to the level of saying "because magic..." there's no real point to continuing this discussion.
Post by: guest39538 on 03/06/2018 09:18:49
No magic involved Mr C, just physics.Since you have essentially fallen to the level of saying "because magic..." there's no real point to continuing this discussion.
Consider a black hole in being liking to an air bubble underwater. The bubble pushing outwards and the water pushing back, inwards. The bubble being self inflating like the black hole.
Try this Mr C, half inflate a balloon, tie it off. Place the balloon on a window sill on a hot bright day. The balloon will expand slightly.
The balloon starts to fill with photons.
hf/S
I did this the other, over inflated it though, the balloon ''exploded' though, it expanded past its stress levels , to many photons with no where to go.
fuller.jpg (14.87 kB . 535x503 - viewed 2269 times)Post by: Bored chemist on 03/06/2018 09:28:54
Consider a black hole in being liking to an air bubble underwater.Why would I do that?
It's not as if black holes act like bubbles.
For example, you can easily tell if you are in a bubble or not and yu can see where the boundary is.
That's not true with black holes.
Post by: guest39538 on 03/06/2018 09:38:00
That is because Bh and space is transparent so boundaries are ''blended'' in to disguise them. If you were in a Bh you would not even be able to tell until you tried to leave the Bh and smash into the n-field ''wall''.Consider a black hole in being liking to an air bubble underwater.Why would I do that?
It's not as if black holes act like bubbles.
For example, you can easily tell if you are in a bubble or not and yu can see where the boundary is.
That's not true with black holes.
Post by: Bored chemist on 03/06/2018 11:18:00
you were in a Bh you would not even be able to tellAnd if you were in a bubble, you would be able to tell- because you would be in air, rather than water.
So we agree that black holes and bubbles don't behave the same way.
OK so why do you pretend they do behave the same way?
Consider a black hole in being liking to an air bubble underwater.
It's just silly to push analogies like that.
A hole will expand if you put more mass into it and that includes the mass of photons hitting it.
But the real problem with your idea is this
BH expands and pushes the celestial bodies outwards
How can it push?
Nothing from the hole can leave it to push on the other things.
You have been ignoring this fundamental flaw in your idea for a while now.
It's time you addressed it or accepted that, as is so often the case, you are simply wrong.
Post by: guest39538 on 03/06/2018 15:25:13
Space-time expands in space-time, space-time pushes back the expanding space-time. The bubble is submerged in space-time. Like a magnet can push a magnet see.you were in a Bh you would not even be able to tellAnd if you were in a bubble, you would be able to tell- because you would be in air, rather than water.
So we agree that black holes and bubbles don't behave the same way.
OK so why do you pretend they do behave the same way?Consider a black hole in being liking to an air bubble underwater.
It's just silly to push analogies like that.
A hole will expand if you put more mass into it and that includes the mass of photons hitting it.
But the real problem with your idea is thisBH expands and pushes the celestial bodies outwards
How can it push?
Nothing from the hole can leave it to push on the other things.
You have been ignoring this fundamental flaw in your idea for a while now.
It's time you addressed it or accepted that, as is so often the case, you are simply wrong.