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TheBox on Black holes!
« on: 24/05/2018 10:21:01 »
What is a Black hole? How can we describe a BH in accordance with reality ? 

I have considered this and for a solution of explanation  I will explain a BH using more earthly physics .

let's us start with a packet of smarties and we shall spread them out in front of us on a surface like the diagram below:


* smarties1.jpg (33.58 kB . 664x503 - viewed 3267 times)

The smarties represent celestial bodies and the space between the smarties is representative of space and the gravitational radius apart.

So ok, moving on we will now start a BH in the centre of our diagram. 


* void.jpg (30.76 kB . 664x503 - viewed 3291 times)

Now as you can see in the diagram the BH expands and pushes the celestial bodies outwards rather than ''sucking them in''   (A n-field  polar void and QFP)

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« Reply #1 on: 24/05/2018 10:30:07 »
Continued...

In accordance with Newtons third law, the external spacial field(s) , push back and the ''surface' of the BH becomes ''solid'' as if an impenetrable wall , a created force field that is transparent.
No external ''solids'' can enter the BH but  ''solids'' can manifest in the BH by ZpP (zero point pressure).

Although the BH is expanding continuously , the external bodies of the BH are attracted to the BH by mass density increase of the BH.
Once the BH has formed a central c.o.m , the central c.o.m will repulse matter where matter then forms a distance away from the c.o.m but still within the BH.
In the early years of a BH forming, the BH has light but no substance, there is nothing to see so the BH looks black like  the night sky between the distance stars.
The detection allowed by gravitational lensing where the em of space is shaping around the anomaly. The surface of the BH inverting the spacial n-field to create almost visible light.


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Re: TheBox on Black holes!
« Reply #2 on: 24/05/2018 10:51:12 »
Now as you can see in this diagram, the BH pushes the external observer away and because of the inverse square law , the c.o.m of the BH visual contracts to a point and cannot be seen no matter what the size of the c.o.m body

* exs.jpg (23.27 kB . 664x503 - viewed 3226 times)

At some point in time there will  be an eventuality where observer (A) cannot see the c.o.m and the c.o.m cannot see observer (A), in affect the BH will visually contract to the last observed body within the BH .
Bodies within a BH cannot escape the BH , they can only outskirt the perimeter of the boundary QFP ''wall''.

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Re: TheBox on Black holes!
« Reply #3 on: 24/05/2018 11:07:53 »
Added - Sorry about the separate posts I am trying to explain in sections rather than one big lump,

I have read it back and realise that I say inside the BH the formed c.o.m pushes other bodies back, the opposite to gravity.  I did not explain why I though this, once the c.o.m has formed, the c.o.m is producing its own BH field within the BH that also expands over time causing the c.o.m to become unstable . The greater the expansion the less c.o.m pressure.

added- In simple terms imagine all particles are a BH c.o.m and all fields push against other fields.   As the fields expand they push each other apart, the c.o.m loses ZpP and becomes unstable. There is less invert pressure , could me more invert pressure, I am just struggling to see that bit.  Either way comets explode because of this , they enter our atmosphere and become pressured by density so are crushed to explode.

Oh... I think the asteroid belt could be the left overs of a collapsed BH. They asteroids could of been a planet,  I wonder if it was our old planet lol,




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Re: TheBox on Black holes!
« Reply #4 on: 24/05/2018 14:06:20 »
Δ Hf(A+B)  = kE = c0efbb5b854cd77c8e02a069d69d41b9.gif/S

Because

-0.5 + 0.5 = 0

Δ0 = ΔkE
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Re: TheBox on Black holes!
« Reply #5 on: 24/05/2018 19:22:55 »
Quote from: Thebox on 24/05/2018 10:21:01
Now as you can see in the diagram the BH expands
How?
What is the carrier of the force that acts on the other bodies which pushes them?
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Re: TheBox on Black holes!
« Reply #6 on: 24/05/2018 19:24:35 »
Quote from: Thebox on 24/05/2018 11:07:53
I am trying to explain
You have failed.
You don't seem to notice the difference between asserting something and actually showing that it is true.
Try learning to do that, before you waste more of your time.
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Re: TheBox on Black holes!
« Reply #7 on: 24/05/2018 19:58:54 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 24/05/2018 19:24:35
Quote from: Thebox on 24/05/2018 11:07:53
I am trying to explain
You have failed.
You don't seem to notice the difference between asserting something and actually showing that it is true.
Try learning to do that, before you waste more of your time.
You heard of magnetic bottling right?  Consider a BH to be a reverse of the bottling and the magnetic field is pushing back the plasma from a central point.
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Re: TheBox on Black holes!
« Reply #8 on: 24/05/2018 21:19:35 »
Quote from: Thebox on 24/05/2018 19:58:54
Consider a BH to be a reverse of the bottling and the magnetic field is pushing back the plasma from a central point.
Why would it do that?
It's not the way black holes  would be expected to behave.
It's not the way plasma is observed to behave.
Also, you forgot (or were unable) to answer the question
Quote from: Bored chemist on 24/05/2018 19:22:55
Quote from: Thebox on 24/05/2018 10:21:01
Now as you can see in the diagram the BH expands
How?
What is the carrier of the force that acts on the other bodies which pushes them?
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« Reply #9 on: 24/05/2018 21:42:25 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 24/05/2018 21:19:35
What is the carrier of the force that acts on the other bodies which pushes them?

The force is a natural phenomenon of a mono-pole expands under its own influence  and so does a binary pair.  Self inflating because no likewise polarity points cannot occupy the same point space.
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Re: TheBox on Black holes!
« Reply #10 on: 24/05/2018 21:54:18 »
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What is the carrier of the force that acts on the other bodies which pushes them?
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« Reply #11 on: 24/05/2018 21:58:09 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 24/05/2018 21:54:18
Quote from: Bored chemist on 24/05/2018 19:22:55
What is the carrier of the force that acts on the other bodies which pushes them?

I answered you ,if you do not understand I suggest you go learn some physics like I did.
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Re: TheBox on Black holes!
« Reply #12 on: 26/05/2018 20:32:21 »
What you put forward was a bad explanation of what might make a black hole expand (spoiler alert- they don't).
What I asked for was an explanation of how it would affect something else.

It's also clear that you still need to learn some physics, as well as some basic  reading comprehension.
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« Reply #13 on: 26/05/2018 20:37:35 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 26/05/2018 20:32:21
It's also clear that you still need to learn some physics, as well as some basic  reading comprehension.
Do we ever stop learning ?  we all have some things to learn. 

Why do things expand ?  because points  become polarised and enthalpic expansion happens.

H = kE + pV

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Re: TheBox on Black holes!
« Reply #14 on: 26/05/2018 21:07:47 »
Since you have essentially  fallen to the level of saying "because magic..." there's no real point to continuing this discussion.
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Re: TheBox on Black holes!
« Reply #15 on: 26/05/2018 21:20:30 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 26/05/2018 21:07:47
Since you have essentially  fallen to the level of saying "because magic..." there's no real point to continuing this discussion.
Because of magic?  No , your failure to understand is not my fault.

I could make a BH , not that difficult.
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« Reply #16 on: 26/05/2018 21:56:45 »
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Since you have essentially  fallen to the level of saying "because magic..." there's no real point to continuing this discussion.
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« Reply #17 on: 26/05/2018 22:04:48 »
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Quote from: Bored chemist on 26/05/2018 21:07:47
Since you have essentially  fallen to the level of saying "because magic..." there's no real point to continuing this discussion.

I answered your question, do you want to re-phrase your question if you feel I have not answered it?
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« Reply #18 on: 26/05/2018 22:12:19 »
Since you have essentially  fallen to the level of saying "because magic..." there's no real point to continuing this discussion.
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« Reply #19 on: 26/05/2018 22:31:44 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 26/05/2018 22:12:19
Since you have essentially  fallen to the level of saying "because magic..." there's no real point to continuing this discussion.
Arr, I got it, now i have given you most of the information about the Universe, I am no longer needed so now I can have my ban.
Maybe even lock me up and name me Tommy hey . 

Well I will welcome a ban as always ,, thanks.
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