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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 01:37:26
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Atomic structure
See the universe from an atom. Without understanding the precise structure and mechanism of atoms, most science theories cannot be true.
Theory says a hydrogen atom is made from 1 electron and 1 proton. The electron is circling/waving/clouding around the proton to form a stable atom.
This is impossible, because there is only one force exists between 1 proton and 1 electron at distance r, the strongest attraction force in nature F=Ke x pq/rr. According to physics laws, the two particles must collide under that force. Electron is impossible to wave/cloud/orbit around proton to form a stable atom.
Theory says atoms are 99.99% empty space. This is impossible, because matters are not 99.99% compressible.
New atomic model of a hydrogen atom
1 electron carries 1 negative charge.
If we smash the electron into 1000000 equal pieces, each piece will carry 1/1000000 negative charge. Let's call it enertron.
Since enertrons carry the same negative charge, they repel each other.
If we have a perfect bottle, which means no leakage, no react, like glass bottle to air.
We put 1000000 enertrons into the perfect bottle. since enertrons repel each other, they put a pressure on the bottle wall. let's measure and call that pressure 1 volt.
If we put 8000000 enertrons into the same bottle, the pressure on the wall should be 4 volt.
Now if 1 enertron is moving or vibrating, the rest all enertrons will be energized.
That is the mechanism of light/quantum/em wave.
Now if we put 1 positive charge into the perfect bottle, what will happen?
The enertrons should be attracted by the positive charge and form a ball around it, the closer to the positive charge the denser enertron cloud. the density of the enertron is decay at 1/rrr due to the repulsion force between enertrons decay at 1/rr.
Now image enertron is the real thing, it carries a tiny negative charge, something like 1/10^33 electron charge, but it has a stronger force field, similar to neodymium magnet compare with a ceramic magnet.
Image proton actually carries 918 positive charges, it attracted 917 total charges of enertrons formed an elastic ball, 1 electron attached to the ball to form a neutrally charged hydrogen atom. 1 atomic weight equals to 1936 total charges, no matter positive or negative charges.
This is the realistic atomic structure. The electrons are constantly vibrating due to the kinetic energy they carry.
Atoms are solid balls, that's why the matter is not compressible.
If atoms are constructed as science told you, 99.99% empty space, why matter is not compressible? Electron shell/wave/cloud/orbital are negatively charged, it does not stick to positive changed nuclear is a magic, how can it stand any pressure without crashing?
Why is energy conserved?
If you put a moving force on any enerctrons in the perfect bottle, that emf is spreading to all the lines of sight enertrons instantly by the repulsion force between them f=Ke x ee/rr, they all are moving now, and cannot stop ever.
Do we have a perfect bottle?
Yes, every atom is a perfect bottle. all matters are a perfect bottle. Atom's binding force locked charged particles within it, energy has nowhere to go but bounce within and between matters. Every atom is a perpetual machine. The universe is a perpetual machine.
The forces f=Ke x e1e2/rr and f=G x m1m2/rr are like perfect springs between matters, connected all matters in 1.
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If we smash the electron into 1000000 equal pieces, each piece will carry 1/1000000 negative charge. Let's call it enertron.
Others have had this idea before you.
Millikan & Fletcher set out to test this in 1909. Their experiment showed that there was no free charge which is multiples of something smaller than an electron or a proton.
More recent theories on quarks suggest that these have charges of 1/3 and 2/3, but they always hang around in groups, so that the only charges that are visible on subatomic (and larger) free particles are multiples of the electron's charge (eg -2, -1, 0, +1, +2 etc).
Experiments in the Large Hadron Collider smash particles into each other with enormous energy every 25 nanoseconds, producing all kinds of debris. If it were possible to smash an electron into pieces, someone would have received a Nobel Prize for it already.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_drop_experiment
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Now image enertron is the real thing, it carries a tiny negative charge, something like 1/10^33 electron charge, but it has a stronger force field, similar to neodymium magnet compare with a ceramic magnet.
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This is impossible, because there is only one force exists between 1 proton and 1 electron at distance r, the strongest attraction force in nature F=Ke x pq/rr. According to physics laws, the two particles must collide under that force. Electron is impossible to wave/cloud/orbit around proton to form a stable atom.
You're confusing classical physics with quantum physics.
Theory says atoms are 99.99% empty space. This is impossible, because matters are not 99.99% compressible.
With enough force, you can compress an atom as much as you want to. White dwarf stars are an excellent example of this happening.
Atoms are solid balls, that's why the matter is not compressible.
We've photographed atoms. They are not solid balls:
If atoms are constructed as science told you, 99.99% empty space, why matter is not compressible?
Matter is compressible. The force required to reduce its volume by a given amount varies depending on the material: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressibility
Electron shell/wave/cloud/orbital are negatively charged, it does not stick to positive changed nuclear is a magic, how can it stand any pressure without crashing?
Heisenberg's uncertainty principle puts a limit on how small of a volume an electron of a given energy can occupy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle
Why is energy conserved?
Because it is neither created nor destroyed.
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You're confusing classical physics with quantum physics.
Quantum physics don't follow logic and fact?
I can compress a tennis ball, because it has empty space. Why not 99.99% empty space atoms?
That is cgi. Real picture of gold atoms show solid balls.ressible?[/quote]
Matter is compressible. The force required to reduce its volume by a given amount varies depending on the material:
matter is not 99% compressible. Water compressiblity is 1/10^12.
Heisenberg's uncertainty principle puts a limit on how small of a volume an electron of a given energy can occupy:
uncertainty principle is word puzzle. There is only 1 force existing between electron and proton, what is uncertain?
Because it is neither created nor destroyed.
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If energy is conserved, how can the big bang even happen?
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Quantum physics don't follow logic and fact?
It doesn't always follow common sense (common sense is fallible), but it is a fact. It just doesn't follow the same rules as classical physics.
I can compress a tennis ball, because it has empty space. Why not 99.99% empty space atoms?
You can. You just have to apply a massive amount of force to do it.
That is cgi.
No it isn't. Did you even watch the video?
matter is not 99% compressible. Water compressiblity is 1/10^12.
Again, it is if you apply enough force. White dwarf stars are so highly compressed by their immense gravity that some are only as large as the Earth despite being as massive as the entire Sun. That's a compression factor of about 1,300,000, which is a compression of about 99.999923%.
Real picture of gold atoms show solid balls.
How can you tell they are solid by looking at them?
ressible?
What does that mean?
uncertainty principle is word puzzle. There is only 1 force existing between electron and proton, what is uncertain?
Read the article I linked and find out.
If energy is conserved, how can the big bang even happen?
The Big Bang did not create matter or energy. It only represented a rapid expansion of space that matter and energy already existed in.
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Quantum physics don't follow logic and fact?
It doesn't always follow common sense (common sense is fallible), but it is a fact. It just doesn't follow the same rules as classical physics.
What fact? Isn't there is only i force existing between 1 electron and 1 proton? What else fact?
I can compress a tennis ball, because it has empty space. Why not 99.99% empty space atoms?
You can. You just have to apply a massive amount of force to do it.
That is cgi.
No it isn't. Did you even watch the video?
matter is not 99% compressible. Water compressiblity is 1/10^12.
Again, it is if you apply enough force. White dwarf stars are so highly compressed by their immense gravity that some are only as large as the Earth despite being as massive as the entire Sun. That's a compression factor of about 1,300,000, which is a compression of about 99.999923%.
Real picture of gold atoms show solid balls.
How can you tell they are solid by looking at them?
ressible?
What does that mean?
uncertainty principle is word puzzle. There is only 1 force existing between electron and proton, what is uncertain?
Read the article I linked and find out.
point the mechanism,
If energy is conserved, how can the big bang even happen?
The Big Bang did not create matter or energy. It only represented a rapid expansion of space that matter and energy already existed in.
Space is just empty space. How can nothing expend?
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Space is just empty space. How can nothing expend?
Space isn't nothingness so that's a straw-man argument.
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Only matter can move, curve, expend or compress.
Space contains no matter.
Fact on not?
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Fact on not?
Not. The metric expansion of space is a measurable phenomenon.
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Only matter can move, curve, expend or compress.
Space contains no matter.
Fact on not?
How to measure space expanding? How to touch space?
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How to measure space expanding? How to touch space?
By looking at the redshift of light that has been traveling through space for a very long time. If space is expanding, then light will be stretched by the expansion. The longer the light travels through space, the more it is stretched. This is confirmed with observations of distant objects in the visible universe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_of_the_universe#Measurement_of_expansion_and_change_of_rate_of_expansion
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How to measure space expanding? How to touch space?
By looking at the redshift of light that has been traveling through space for a very long time. If space is expanding, then light will be stretched by the expansion. The longer the light travels through space, the more it is stretched. This is confirmed with observations of distant objects in the visible universe:
There is no light wave, no photon traveling in space at light speed. Observations are misinterpretation.
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There is no light wave, no photon traveling in space at light speed.
Experimental evidence says otherwise.
Observations are misinterpretation.
How do you figure?
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There is no light wave, no photon traveling in space at light speed.
Experimental evidence says otherwise.
Observations are misinterpretation.
How do you figure?
What experiment showed light traveling in space at light speed?
There is no light wave in space, no wave carrier in space is fact.
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What experiment showed light traveling in space at light speed?
This, for one: https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/pdf/10.1098/rspa.1948.0085
I posted this in your other thread, but you obviously didn't read it.
There is no light wave in space, no wave carrier in space is fact.
Given that the speed of light in a vacuum was measured in the experiment I just posted, your deduction must be wrong.
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That is EM wave propagating ia a copper tube, not vacuum space.
In space there is no light wave carrier, no medium to carry light.
Light energy teleport between matters. Due to the levity between matter.
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That is EM wave propagating ia a copper tube, not vacuum space.
You do know that metal is opaque, right? It doesn't conduct light like it conducts electricity. The light beam was sent through a vacuum in the experiment. The very first sentence of the article says that the cavity was "evacuated", which means the air was removed.
In space there is no light wave carrier, no medium to carry light.
Yes there is. Light (which is an electromagnetic wave) is carried by the electromagnetic fields that are everywhere in the Universe.
Light energy teleport between matters. Due to the levity between matter.
What experiment demonstrated this?
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There are forces in space, there is no field in space.
What is field? What carried field? How field act with matter? What is the mechanism?
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That is EM wave propagating ia a copper tube, not vacuum space.
You do know that metal is opaque, right? It doesn't conduct light like it conducts electricity. The light beam was sent through a vacuum in the experiment. The very first sentence of the article says that the cavity was "evacuated", which means the air was removed.
In space there is no light wave carrier, no medium to carry light.
Yes there is. Light (which is an electromagnetic wave) is carried by the electromagnetic fields that are everywhere in the Universe.
Light energy teleport between matters. Due to the levity between matter.
What experiment demonstrated this?
Not the air in the tube but the copper tube conducts EM wave. Light speed in vacuum has never been measured.
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There are forces in space, there is no field in space.
What is field? What carried field? How field act with matter? What is the mechanism?
Your questions are answered in that article I linked in your other thread.
Not the air in the tube but the copper tube conducts EM wave.
How?
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EM wave is vibrating electric force propagating through matter produced mechanical wave.
There is no EM wave in space. Energy/light/EM wave teleport between matters through the levity between matters.
Very nice discussing with you, be back soon!
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EM wave is vibrating electric force propagating through matter produced mechanical wave.
There is no EM wave in space. Energy/light/EM wave teleport between matters through the levity between matters.
Again, what experiment demonstrated these things?
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EM wave is vibrating electric force propagating through matter produced mechanical wave.
There is no EM wave in space. Energy/light/EM wave teleport between matters through the levity between matters.
Again, what experiment demonstrated these things?
What experiment demonstrated those thing are not facts?
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What experiment demonstrated those thing are not facts?
If the light travels in the copper,rather than in the hole, how come you can't look through a bar of copper in the same way you can look through a copper pipe?
Any measurements of how well light gets through copper meet the criterion you set.
The experiment is more often done with gold- a thin enough gold foil lets some light through.
But the light simply will not pass through anything but tiny thicknesses of metal.
Another problem with your idea is that, if it was true that the em radiation travelled in the copper (or other metal) of the pipe then the material in the pipe wouldn't affect that radiation.
But if you add dye to some water then put it in a pipe and look through it, you can see the colour.
That experiment is the basis for much of the science of spectroscopy.
So you are plainly wrong- the light goes down the hole in the tube.
You really need to learn more about science before you try to say it's wrong.
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Light wave propagate through the color water in the pipe, not the hole.
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Atomic structure
See the universe from an atom. Without understanding the precise structure and mechanism of atoms, most science theories cannot be true.
Theory says a hydrogen atom is made from 1 electron and 1 proton. The electron is circling/waving/clouding around the proton to form a stable atom.
This is impossible, because there is only one force exists between 1 proton and 1 electron at distance r, the strongest attraction force in nature F=Ke x pq/rr. According to physics laws, the two particles must collide under that force. Electron is impossible to wave/cloud/orbit around proton to form a stable atom.
Theory says atoms are 99.99% empty space. This is impossible, because matters are not 99.99% compressible.
New atomic model of a hydrogen atom
1 electron carries 1 negative charge.
If we smash the electron into 1000000 equal pieces, each piece will carry 1/1000000 negative charge. Let's call it enertron.
Since enertrons carry the same negative charge, they repel each other.
If we have a perfect bottle, which means no leakage, no react, like glass bottle to air.
We put 1000000 enertrons into the perfect bottle. since enertrons repel each other, they put a pressure on the bottle wall. let's measure and call that pressure 1 volt.
If we put 8000000 enertrons into the same bottle, the pressure on the wall should be 4 volt.
Now if 1 enertron is moving or vibrating, the rest all enertrons will be energized.
That is the mechanism of light/quantum/em wave.
Now if we put 1 positive charge into the perfect bottle, what will happen?
The enertrons should be attracted by the positive charge and form a ball around it, the closer to the positive charge the denser enertron cloud. the density of the enertron is decay at 1/rrr due to the repulsion force between enertrons decay at 1/rr.
Now image enertron is the real thing, it carries a tiny negative charge, something like 1/10^33 electron charge, but it has a stronger force field, similar to neodymium magnet compare with a ceramic magnet.
Image proton actually carries 918 positive charges, it attracted 917 total charges of enertrons formed an elastic ball, 1 electron attached to the ball to form a neutrally charged hydrogen atom. 1 atomic weight equals to 1936 total charges, no matter positive or negative charges.
This is the realistic atomic structure. The electrons are constantly vibrating due to the kinetic energy they carry.
Atoms are solid balls, that's why the matter is not compressible.
If atoms are constructed as science told you, 99.99% empty space, why matter is not compressible? Electron shell/wave/cloud/orbital are negatively charged, it does not stick to positive changed nuclear is a magic, how can it stand any pressure without crashing?
Why is energy conserved?
If you put a moving force on any enerctrons in the perfect bottle, that emf is spreading to all the lines of sight enertrons instantly by the repulsion force between them f=Ke x ee/rr, they all are moving now, and cannot stop ever.
Do we have a perfect bottle?
Yes, every atom is a perfect bottle. all matters are a perfect bottle. Atom's binding force locked charged particles within it, energy has nowhere to go but bounce within and between matters. Every atom is a perpetual machine. The universe is a perpetual machine.
The forces f=Ke x e1e2/rr and f=G x m1m2/rr are like perfect springs between matters, connected all matters in 1.
It sounds to me like you are trying to ''paint the atom a different colour '' , it already has a negative charge , renaming it doesn't make a difference .
If we smash the electron into 1000000 equal pieces, each piece will carry 1/1000000 negative charge
Splitting almost 0 dimensions into 1000000 might be very difficult , have you thought this through ?
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What experiment demonstrated those thing are not facts?
You are shifting the burden of proof. You don't start off with an idea and assume that it is correct until proven wrong. That's not how science works.
Another way that we know light travels at light speed through space is the time delay when scientists communicate with spacecraft and probes around and on other planets. When scientists send instructions to rovers on Mars, they have to wait anywhere from 4 to 24 minutes for the rover to react and then wait another 4 to 24 minutes for video footage of the rover's movements to arrive back to Earth. If electromagnetic waves "teleported", as you put it, then there would be no signal delay: http://blogs.esa.int/mex/2012/08/05/time-delay-between-mars-and-earth/
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Light wave propagate through the color water in the pipe, not the hole.
You missed the difficult bit.
If light travels through metal, how come you can not see through a metal bar like you can see through a pipe?
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Light wave propagate through the color water in the pipe, not the hole.
You missed the difficult bit.
If light travels through metal, how come you can not see through a metal bar like you can see through a pipe?
Light don't travel through metal but reflect from the surface of the copper pipe.
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What experiment demonstrated those thing are not facts?
You are shifting the burden of proof. You don't start off with an idea and assume that it is correct until proven wrong. That's not how science works.
Another way that we know light travels at light speed through space is the time delay when scientists communicate with spacecraft and probes around and on other planets. When scientists send instructions to rovers on Mars, they have to wait anywhere from 4 to 24 minutes for the rover to react and then wait another 4 to 24 minutes for video footage of the rover's movements to arrive back to Earth. If electromagnetic waves "teleported", as you put it, then there would be no signal delay: http://blogs.esa.int/mex/2012/08/05/time-delay-between-mars-and-earth/
How do you know that is not fake news just like LIGO detected gravity wave from 1.3 billion years ago? Gravity is instantaneous due to forces are coexisted with matters.
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If light travels in space at light speed, if photon is real particle carrying momentum and able to knock out electron from solar cell, why light cannot accelerate solar wind to light speed?
Why laser weapons have no kinetic impact? Why light mill dies not spin in hard vacuum? Why photons don't slow down in water like bullets? Why photon accelerate from water to air?
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Solar wind accelerated by photons 8 minutes from the Sun to ISS, light speed electrons and protons are hitting ISS.
ISS has no magnetic field to deflect those high speed particles, are they in danger?
Why can't ISS catch those solar wind to make hydrogen fuel?
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Light wave propagate through the color water in the pipe, not the hole.
You missed the difficult bit.
If light travels through metal, how come you can not see through a metal bar like you can see through a pipe?
Light don't travel through metal but reflect from the surface of the copper pipe.
No, if that was true then looking through a copper pipe would make everything "copper coloured" like it does if you view its reflection in a polished copper plate or something.
You really are just wrong.
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why light cannot accelerate solar wind to light speed?
Conservation of energy (and momentum)
Why laser weapons have no kinetic impact?
It does- though the effect is very small compared to the other effects.
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That is EM wave propagating ia a copper tube, not vacuum space.
Are you referring to the use of a copper tube as a waveguide?
It is true that the velocity of light in a waveguide can differ from the speed of light in open space.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waveguide
However, the velocity of electromagnetic radiation from the GPS satellites is carefully monitored, as it affects the accuracy of the GPS receivers.
These satellites orbit at a height of 20,000km, so most of the path is in a vacuum; only the last 100km experiences a significant pressure of air.
And the newer satellites transmit on 2 different frequencies, so they can better allow for (and remove) atmospheric effects.
Only matter can move, curve, expend or compress. Space contains no matter.
Space does contain matter, which we can see at great distances - it is in the form of stars.
So we can measure the expansion of space by looking at how it affects the light from distant stars (and conglomerations of stars: "galaxies"). It affects this light by red-shifting it, as Kryptid said.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshift
if photon is real particle carrying momentum and able to knock out electron from solar cell
Solar cells are not made from insulators, so the electrons are not tied to individual atoms. Insulators tend to need ultraviolet photons to kick an electron entirely out of an atom.
However, solar cells are made from semiconductors, where electrons do not have specific energies, but the electron energy falls in a broad band. Part of this band is called the "conduction band", as it allows electrons to flow through the material. So the photon does not need enough energy to eject an electron from the atom, but only enough to overcome the bandgap, and promote the electron into the conduction band.
For silicon solar cells, the energy required is in the infra-red part of the spectrum, where the Sun puts out most of its energy.
Solar wind accelerated by photons
The Solar Wind is transparent, which means that it doesn't interact strongly with light.
Bursts of solar wind (solar storms) are accelerated by reconnection of magnetic fields in the Sun's outer atmosphere.
The Parker Solar probe is going to explore the Sun's magnetic field.
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/parker-solar-probe
ISS has no magnetic field to deflect those high speed particles, are they in danger?
The ISS orbit is within the Earth's magnetic field, so they are partially protected.
However, they lack the additional protection of Earth's atmosphere, so in case of a solar storm, they retreat to the more robust Soyuz capsule.
Why can't ISS catch those solar wind to make hydrogen fuel?
The solar wind has extremely low density, so it is hard to catch - and most of it is already diverted by the Earth's magnetic field.
Hydrogen by itself doesn't make fuel for a chemical rocket, as hydrogen doesn't burn in space. You also need oxygen (or similar) to produce energy and thrust. And the solar wind doesn't contain useful amounts of oxygen.
But maybe one day we will be able to control hydrogen fusion, and then collecting hydrogen from space might be a useful source of energy for a spacecraft...
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Light wave propagate through the color water in the pipe, not the hole.
You missed the difficult bit.
If light travels through metal, how come you can not see through a metal bar like you can see through a pipe?
Light don't travel through metal but reflect from the surface of the copper pipe.
No, if that was true then looking through a copper pipe would make everything "copper coloured" like it does if you view its reflection in a polished copper plate or something.
You really are just wrong.
Light wave propagate through air in the pipe.
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How do you know that is not fake news just like LIGO detected gravity wave from 1.3 billion years ago?
Oh, so you're a conspiracy theorist too, huh? Do you have evidence for such a conspiracy? And before you say it, reporting results that are at odds with your ideas is not evidence of a conspiracy. I want to see actual evidence, such as testimony from whistle-blowers, leaked documents, secretly-recorded conversations, etc.
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Allow me to butt in re em waves travelling along copper etc -- em waves do not travel in copper.
Catt showed that em waves travelled throo the space or medium surrounding the copper, the speed being c/n, the n being the refraction index for the medium.
And me (m.e.)(mad aetherist) explained in another thread (re the Catt question) that the em radiation travelling tween a pair of conductors travelled from conductor to conductor, & from conductor to conductor, both ways, simultaneously, at up to 5c kmps in the nearfield (or at up to 5c/n).
Hmmmmm -- why duznt anyone call it me radiation (ie magnetoelectric radiation)(not important).