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Atomic structure theory
« on: 24/03/2019 01:37:26 »
Atomic structure

See the universe from an atom. Without understanding the precise structure and mechanism of atoms, most science theories cannot be true.

Theory says a hydrogen atom is made from 1 electron and 1 proton. The electron is circling/waving/clouding around the proton to form a stable atom.

This is impossible, because there is only one force exists between 1 proton and 1 electron at distance r, the strongest attraction force in nature F=Ke x pq/rr. According to physics laws, the two particles must collide under that force. Electron is impossible to wave/cloud/orbit around proton to form a stable atom.

Theory says atoms are 99.99% empty space. This is impossible, because matters are not 99.99% compressible.


New atomic model of a hydrogen atom

1 electron carries 1 negative charge.

If we smash the electron into 1000000 equal pieces, each piece will carry 1/1000000 negative charge. Let's call it enertron.

Since enertrons carry the same negative charge, they repel each other.

If we have a perfect bottle, which means no leakage, no react, like glass bottle to air.

We put 1000000 enertrons into the perfect bottle. since enertrons repel each other, they put a pressure on the bottle wall. let's measure and call that pressure 1 volt.

If we put 8000000 enertrons into the same bottle, the pressure on the wall should be 4 volt.

Now if 1 enertron is moving or vibrating, the rest all enertrons will be energized.

That is the mechanism of light/quantum/em wave.

Now if we put 1 positive charge into the perfect bottle, what will happen?

The enertrons should be attracted by the positive charge and form a ball around it, the closer to the positive charge the denser enertron cloud. the density of the enertron is decay at 1/rrr due to the repulsion force between enertrons decay at 1/rr.

Now image enertron is the real thing, it carries a tiny negative charge, something like 1/10^33 electron charge, but it has a stronger force field, similar to neodymium magnet compare with a ceramic magnet.

Image proton actually carries 918 positive charges, it attracted 917 total charges of enertrons formed an elastic ball, 1 electron attached to the ball to form a neutrally charged hydrogen atom. 1 atomic weight equals to 1936 total charges, no matter positive or negative charges.

This is the realistic atomic structure. The electrons are constantly vibrating due to the kinetic energy they carry.

Atoms are solid balls, that's why the matter is not compressible.

If atoms are constructed as science told you, 99.99% empty space, why matter is not compressible? Electron shell/wave/cloud/orbital are negatively charged, it does not stick to positive changed nuclear is a magic, how can it stand any pressure without crashing?

Why is energy conserved?

If you put a moving force on any enerctrons in the perfect bottle, that emf is spreading to all the lines of sight enertrons instantly by the repulsion force between them f=Ke x ee/rr, they all are moving now, and cannot stop ever.

Do we have a perfect bottle?

Yes, every atom is a perfect bottle. all matters are a perfect bottle. Atom's binding force locked charged particles within it, energy has nowhere to go but bounce within and between matters. Every atom is a perpetual machine. The universe is a perpetual machine.

The forces f=Ke x e1e2/rr and f=G x m1m2/rr are like perfect springs between matters, connected all matters in 1.
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Re: Atomic structure theory
« Reply #1 on: 24/03/2019 02:11:53 »
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If we smash the electron into 1000000 equal pieces, each piece will carry 1/1000000 negative charge. Let's call it enertron.
Others have had this idea before you.

Millikan & Fletcher set out to test this in 1909. Their experiment showed that there was no free charge which is multiples of something smaller than an electron or a proton.

More recent theories on quarks suggest that these have charges of 1/3 and 2/3, but they always hang around in groups, so that the only charges that are visible on subatomic (and larger) free particles are multiples of the electron's charge (eg -2, -1, 0, +1, +2 etc).

Experiments in the Large Hadron Collider smash particles into each other with enormous energy every 25 nanoseconds, producing all kinds of debris. If it were possible to smash an electron into pieces, someone would have received a Nobel Prize for it already.
 
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_drop_experiment
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Re: Atomic structure theory
« Reply #2 on: 24/03/2019 02:17:40 »
Now image enertron is the real thing, it carries a tiny negative charge, something like 1/10^33 electron charge, but it has a stronger force field, similar to neodymium magnet compare with a ceramic magnet.
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Re: Atomic structure theory
« Reply #3 on: 24/03/2019 03:11:32 »
Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 01:37:26
This is impossible, because there is only one force exists between 1 proton and 1 electron at distance r, the strongest attraction force in nature F=Ke x pq/rr. According to physics laws, the two particles must collide under that force. Electron is impossible to wave/cloud/orbit around proton to form a stable atom.

You're confusing classical physics with quantum physics.

Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 01:37:26
Theory says atoms are 99.99% empty space. This is impossible, because matters are not 99.99% compressible.

With enough force, you can compress an atom as much as you want to. White dwarf stars are an excellent example of this happening.

Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 01:37:26
Atoms are solid balls, that's why the matter is not compressible.

We've photographed atoms. They are not solid balls:

Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 01:37:26
If atoms are constructed as science told you, 99.99% empty space, why matter is not compressible?

Matter is compressible. The force required to reduce its volume by a given amount varies depending on the material: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressibility

Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 01:37:26
Electron shell/wave/cloud/orbital are negatively charged, it does not stick to positive changed nuclear is a magic, how can it stand any pressure without crashing?

Heisenberg's uncertainty principle puts a limit on how small of a volume an electron of a given energy can occupy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle

Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 01:37:26
Why is energy conserved?

Because it is neither created nor destroyed.
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Re: Atomic structure theory
« Reply #4 on: 24/03/2019 04:40:18 »


You're confusing classical physics with quantum physics.

Quantum physics don't follow logic and fact?


I can compress a tennis ball, because it has empty space. Why not 99.99% empty space atoms?

That is cgi. Real picture of gold atoms show solid balls.ressible?[/quote]

Matter is compressible. The force required to reduce its volume by a given amount varies depending on the material:
matter is not 99% compressible. Water compressiblity is 1/10^12.

Heisenberg's uncertainty principle puts a limit on how small of a volume an electron of a given energy can occupy:
uncertainty principle is word puzzle. There is only 1 force existing between electron and proton, what is uncertain?



Because it is neither created nor destroyed.
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If energy is conserved, how can the big bang even happen?
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Re: Atomic structure theory
« Reply #5 on: 24/03/2019 04:58:36 »
Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 04:40:18
Quantum physics don't follow logic and fact?

It doesn't always follow common sense (common sense is fallible), but it is a fact. It just doesn't follow the same rules as classical physics.

Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 04:40:18
I can compress a tennis ball, because it has empty space. Why not 99.99% empty space atoms?

You can. You just have to apply a massive amount of force to do it.

Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 04:40:18
That is cgi.

No it isn't. Did you even watch the video?

Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 04:40:18
matter is not 99% compressible. Water compressiblity is 1/10^12.

Again, it is if you apply enough force. White dwarf stars are so highly compressed by their immense gravity that some are only as large as the Earth despite being as massive as the entire Sun. That's a compression factor of about 1,300,000, which is a compression of about 99.999923%.

Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 04:40:18
Real picture of gold atoms show solid balls.

How can you tell they are solid by looking at them?

Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 04:40:18
ressible?

What does that mean?

Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 04:40:18
uncertainty principle is word puzzle. There is only 1 force existing between electron and proton, what is uncertain?

Read the article I linked and find out.

Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 04:40:18
If energy is conserved, how can the big bang even happen?

The Big Bang did not create matter or energy. It only represented a rapid expansion of space that matter and energy already existed in.
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Re: Atomic structure theory
« Reply #6 on: 24/03/2019 05:04:55 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 24/03/2019 04:58:36
Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 04:40:18
Quantum physics don't follow logic and fact?

It doesn't always follow common sense (common sense is fallible), but it is a fact. It just doesn't follow the same rules as classical physics.
What fact? Isn't there is only i force existing between 1 electron and 1 proton? What else fact?
Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 04:40:18
I can compress a tennis ball, because it has empty space. Why not 99.99% empty space atoms?

You can. You just have to apply a massive amount of force to do it.

Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 04:40:18
That is cgi.

No it isn't. Did you even watch the video?

Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 04:40:18
matter is not 99% compressible. Water compressiblity is 1/10^12.

Again, it is if you apply enough force. White dwarf stars are so highly compressed by their immense gravity that some are only as large as the Earth despite being as massive as the entire Sun. That's a compression factor of about 1,300,000, which is a compression of about 99.999923%.

Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 04:40:18
Real picture of gold atoms show solid balls.

How can you tell they are solid by looking at them?

Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 04:40:18
ressible?

What does that mean?

Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 04:40:18
uncertainty principle is word puzzle. There is only 1 force existing between electron and proton, what is uncertain?

Read the article I linked and find out.
point the mechanism,
Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 04:40:18
If energy is conserved, how can the big bang even happen?

The Big Bang did not create matter or energy. It only represented a rapid expansion of space that matter and energy already existed in.

Space is just empty space. How can nothing expend?
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Re: Atomic structure theory
« Reply #7 on: 24/03/2019 05:06:12 »
Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 05:04:55
Space is just empty space. How can nothing expend?

Space isn't nothingness so that's a straw-man argument.
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Re: Atomic structure theory
« Reply #8 on: 24/03/2019 05:14:37 »
Only matter can move, curve, expend or compress.

Space contains no matter.

Fact on not?
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Re: Atomic structure theory
« Reply #9 on: 24/03/2019 05:16:03 »
Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 05:14:37
Fact on not?

Not. The metric expansion of space is a measurable phenomenon.
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Re: Atomic structure theory
« Reply #10 on: 24/03/2019 05:33:13 »
Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 05:14:37
Only matter can move, curve, expend or compress.

Space contains no matter.

Fact on not?

How to measure space expanding? How to touch space?
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Re: Atomic structure theory
« Reply #11 on: 24/03/2019 05:36:48 »
Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 05:33:13
How to measure space expanding? How to touch space?

By looking at the redshift of light that has been traveling through space for a very long time. If space is expanding, then light will be stretched by the expansion. The longer the light travels through space, the more it is stretched. This is confirmed with observations of distant objects in the visible universe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_of_the_universe#Measurement_of_expansion_and_change_of_rate_of_expansion
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Re: Atomic structure theory
« Reply #12 on: 24/03/2019 05:41:13 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 24/03/2019 05:36:48
Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 05:33:13
How to measure space expanding? How to touch space?

By looking at the redshift of light that has been traveling through space for a very long time. If space is expanding, then light will be stretched by the expansion. The longer the light travels through space, the more it is stretched. This is confirmed with observations of distant objects in the visible universe:

There is no light wave, no photon traveling in space at light speed. Observations are misinterpretation.
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Re: Atomic structure theory
« Reply #13 on: 24/03/2019 05:42:42 »
Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 05:41:13
There is no light wave, no photon traveling in space at light speed.

Experimental evidence says otherwise.

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Observations are misinterpretation.

How do you figure?
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Re: Atomic structure theory
« Reply #14 on: 24/03/2019 05:49:46 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 24/03/2019 05:42:42
Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 05:41:13
There is no light wave, no photon traveling in space at light speed.

Experimental evidence says otherwise.

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Observations are misinterpretation.


How do you figure?
What experiment showed light traveling in space at light speed?

There is no light wave in space, no wave carrier in space is fact.
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Re: Atomic structure theory
« Reply #15 on: 24/03/2019 05:53:04 »
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What experiment showed light traveling in space at light speed?

This, for one: https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/pdf/10.1098/rspa.1948.0085

I posted this in your other thread, but you obviously didn't read it.

Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 05:49:46
There is no light wave in space, no wave carrier in space is fact.

Given that the speed of light in a vacuum was measured in the experiment I just posted, your deduction must be wrong.
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Re: Atomic structure theory
« Reply #16 on: 24/03/2019 06:03:52 »
That is EM wave propagating ia a copper tube, not vacuum space.

In space there is no light wave carrier, no medium to carry light.

Light energy teleport between matters. Due to the levity between matter.
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Re: Atomic structure theory
« Reply #17 on: 24/03/2019 06:08:14 »
Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 06:03:52
That is EM wave propagating ia a copper tube, not vacuum space.

You do know that metal is opaque, right? It doesn't conduct light like it conducts electricity. The light beam was sent through a vacuum in the experiment. The very first sentence of the article says that the cavity was "evacuated", which means the air was removed.

Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 06:03:52
In space there is no light wave carrier, no medium to carry light.

Yes there is. Light (which is an electromagnetic wave) is carried by the electromagnetic fields that are everywhere in the Universe.

Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 06:03:52
Light energy teleport between matters. Due to the levity between matter.

What experiment demonstrated this?
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Re: Atomic structure theory
« Reply #18 on: 24/03/2019 06:11:38 »
There are forces in space, there is no field in space.

What is field? What carried field? How field act with matter? What is the mechanism?
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Re: Atomic structure theory
« Reply #19 on: 24/03/2019 06:13:54 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 24/03/2019 06:08:14
Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 06:03:52
That is EM wave propagating ia a copper tube, not vacuum space.

You do know that metal is opaque, right? It doesn't conduct light like it conducts electricity. The light beam was sent through a vacuum in the experiment. The very first sentence of the article says that the cavity was "evacuated", which means the air was removed.

Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 06:03:52
In space there is no light wave carrier, no medium to carry light.

Yes there is. Light (which is an electromagnetic wave) is carried by the electromagnetic fields that are everywhere in the Universe.

Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 06:03:52
Light energy teleport between matters. Due to the levity between matter.

What experiment demonstrated this?

Not the air in the tube but the copper tube conducts EM wave. Light speed in vacuum has never been measured.
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