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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: Just thinking on 17/08/2021 15:45:51
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It is believed that when light lands on an object the object becomes visible due to reflection but this may not be what is happening. I propose that what is believed to be reflected light is possibly a secondary phenomenon of reactivated electrons on the surface of the object its self. Light is one of many less understood natural occurrences and can be as difficult to comprehend as gravity, space or time. Light its self is produced by electromagnetic radiation stemming from its original source the humble electron I believe that the transformation of an electron to a photon is reversed as the photon lands on an object and stimulates the electrons at the surface reproducing photons. So in conclusion, reflection NO, activation YES. Objects can produce their own light from the outside just as glow worms and many other creatures can produce chemically stimulated light from within. Any thoughts on this new theory?
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Light its self is produced by electromagnetic radiation
Light isn't produced by electromagnetic radiation: it is a form of electromagnetic radiation.
I believe that the transformation of an electron to a photon
Electrons cannot become photons, as that would violate conservation of charge (unless they annihilate with a positron).
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Light isn't produced by electromagnetic radiation: it is a form of electromagnetic radiation.[/quotLight isn't produced by electromagnetic radiation: it is a form of electromagnetic radiation.
A photon is electromagnetic radiation and that is where light comes from if the light does not come from electrons and electromagnetic radiation that is producing photons then I'm in the dark.
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Photons are electromagnetic radiation (the smallest possible quantity of electromagnetic radiation, to be precise).
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Photons are electromagnetic radiation (the smallest possible quantity of electromagnetic radiation, to be precise).
Now we are getting somewhere so what about the theory I have put forward pretty good don't you think.
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Now we are getting somewhere so what about the theory I have put forward pretty good don't you think.
What do you think reflection is, exactly? What do you think is happening on the quantum level?
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What do you think reflection is, exactly? What do you think is happening on the quantum level?
This is the theory I don't think that it is a reflection I think the object is producing its own light from its surface due to being stimulated by photons that land and produce a glow from the electrons on the surface of the object.
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This is the theory I don't think that it is a reflection I think the object is producing its own light from its surface due to being stimulated by photons that land and produce a glow from the electrons on the surface of the object.
No, I mean, what do you think modern science's explanation is for reflection at the quantum level?
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No, I mean, what do you think modern science's explanation is for reflection at the quantum level?
I must say I'm a bit confused with this question but I assume it is the same thing. What is it that science is reported to be reflecting at a quantum level?
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I think the object is producing its own light from its surface due to being stimulated by photons that land and produce a glow from the electrons on the surface of the object.
What is the difference between that and reflection?
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What is the difference between that and reflection?
A reflection would be the same photon bouncing back my theory suggests that it is a newly produced photon that is returning from the object.
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What is the difference between that and reflection?
A reflection would be the same photon bouncing back my theory suggests that it is a newly produced photon that is returning from the object.
How could you tell?
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How could you tell?
Now that is a very good question and I'm very glad you have asked. We will have to manufacture a device that we will call a, new photon created light Spectrum analyzer machine I will leave that part for your very competent self to deliver.
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How could you tell?
Now that is a very good question and I'm very glad you have asked. We will have to manufacture a device that we will call a, new photon created light Spectrum analyzer machine I will leave that part for your very competent self to deliver.
OK.
There aren't many things you can measure about light, but the wavelength is one of them
Ordinarily, if you measure the light before and after it hits a mirror the wavelength is unchanged.
But if the mirror is moving, the light is doppler shifted.
What does that tell you?
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But if the mirror is moving, the light is doppler shifted.
What does that tell you?
That would mean that the light coming of the mirror is moving towards or away from the doppler tester machine.
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It has to be going towards the machine- or it wouldn't get there to be tested.
And, relativity says it is traveling at the speed of light.
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It has to be going towards the machine- or it wouldn't get there to be tested.
And, relativity says it is traveling at the speed of light.
My apologies I meant to say that the source of light is moving towards or away not the light its self to give a doppler effect.
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Well, if the light bulb is staying still, the mirror is moving and the light is doppler shifted, is that light coming from the mirror or the lamp?
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If the bulb is still and the mirror is moving and you get a doppler shift the light is coming from the mirror.
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We will have to manufacture a device that we will call a, new photon created light Spectrum analyzer machine I will leave that part for your very competent self to deliver.
The two photons should be identical, so such a device cannot be built.
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The two photons should be identical, so such a device cannot be built.
I think you may be correct that's why Bored chemist is thinking doppler but that may prove very difficult.
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We will have to manufacture a device that we will call a, new photon created light Spectrum analyzer machine I will leave that part for your very competent self to deliver.
The two photons should be identical, so such a device cannot be built.
Watch this space...
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Watch this space...
Was I wrong? If so, I'm willing to be corrected.
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If the bulb is still and the mirror is moving and you get a doppler shift the light is coming from the mirror.
So, what's the difference between reflection- which changes the wavelength of the waves and creation of a new photon- with a new wavelength?
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Light is a wave, no photon, that's just theory. A wave is a denser part of a medium spreading outward to a less dense part of that medium, so light has space-time as its medium, so light is space.
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Light is a wave, no photon, that's just theory.
Ignoring the fact that "just a theory" is not a bad thing when it comes to science...
Photons are quite well documented. We can detect them. We know they are there.
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So, what's the difference between reflection- which changes the wavelength of the waves and creation of a new photon- with a new wavelength?
I find the question difficult to understand but I can say this if the mirror is moving towards the doppler detector and we get a blue shift it just means the light is being compressed and the opposite for the redshift. I think the big problem with using a mirror to detect any shift is that the mirror would have to be moving very fast to see any noticeable change in pattern.
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Light is a wave, no photon, that's just theory.
Ignoring the fact that "just a theory" is not a bad thing when it comes to science...
Photons are quite well documented. We can detect them. We know they are there.
what shape is a photon is it like a long french fry?
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what shape is a photon is it like a long french fry?
As best as we can tell, it's shaped like either a wave or a point (depending on the measurement method).
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Light is a wave, no photon, that's just theory. A wave is a denser part of a medium spreading outward to a less dense part of that medium, so light has space-time as its medium, so light is space.
Be quiet; the grown ups are talking.
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So, what's the difference between reflection- which changes the wavelength of the waves and creation of a new photon- with a new wavelength?
I find the question difficult to understand but I can say this if the mirror is moving towards the doppler detector and we get a blue shift it just means the light is being compressed and the opposite for the redshift. I think the big problem with using a mirror to detect any shift is that the mirror would have to be moving very fast to see any noticeable change in pattern.
It's pretty much a rhetorical question.
I don't think there is a way in which we could distinguish the way that modern physics treats the reflection of light from the idea of the photons conveying their energy to the electrons and then the energy being re-emitted.
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Be quiet; the grown ups are talking.
Mind your manners, please...
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I think the big problem with using a mirror to detect any shift is that the mirror would have to be moving very fast to see any noticeable change in pattern.
Well... radar speed traps work just fine.
It's also possible to accelerate a bunch of plasma to a very high speed, and reflect light off it.
You get a doppler shift.
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Well... radar speed traps work just fine.
It's also possible to accelerate a bunch of plasma to a very high speed, and reflect light off it.
You get a doppler shift.
I think the speed camera is measuring the change in distance of the moving vehicle over time not the same type of shift. The plasma method may be the answer if that is possible.
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I think the speed camera is measuring the change in distance of the moving vehicle over time not the same type of shift.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_speed_gun#Doppler_effect
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Quote from: Just thinking on Today at 07:49:18
I think the speed camera is measuring the change in distance of the moving vehicle over time not the same type of shift.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_speed_gun#Doppler_effect
It seems to be the case if I am correct that would mean that the radar device can measure 1 billionth of the speed of light and if so that is sensitive enuff to detect a change of one kilometre per hour. My apology for douting.
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The problem with measuring a return signal whether it is light of a mirror or radar of a target is that whether the return signal is a deflection or a newly created photon is that it will return with the same response either way so nothing can be learned by this method but if so how?
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The problem with measuring a return signal whether it is light of a mirror or radar of a target is that whether the return signal is a deflection or a newly created photon is that it will return with the same response either way so nothing can be learned by this method but if so how?
What you learn is that there is no difference.
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What you learn is that there is no difference.
It sounds like it would be difficult if not impossible to confirm.
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If there is no way, even in principle, to tell the difference between two things then are they actually different?
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If there is no way, even in principle, to tell the difference between two things then are they actually different?
If one photon is replaced with another at the speed of light it will be very difficult to tell but yet they are different.
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A shaded a day
One day
Bored chemist say
ADULTS ARE TALKING
ABOUT PHOTON RAYS!
but the waves
came in
and bored chemist
starts to spin
and says
if only water waves
were particle too
then I could BS
may way through
these waves
these waves
good day!
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A shaded a day
One day
Bored chemist say
ADULTS ARE TALKING
ABOUT PHOTON RAYS!
but the waves
came in
and bored chemist
starts to spin
and says
if only water waves
were particle too
then I could BS
may way through
these waves
these waves
good day!
I warned you against spamming like this. For that reason, expect to be given a "vacation".
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It's pretty much a rhetorical question.
I don't think there is a way in which we could distinguish the way that modern physics treats the reflection of light from the idea of the photons conveying their energy to the electrons and then the energy being re-emitted.
It's pretty much a rhetorical question.
I don't think there is a way in which we could distinguish the way that modern physics treats the reflection of light from the idea of the photons conveying their energy to the electrons and then the energy being re-emitted.
I think I can see how I may be wrong if a beam of light hits a mirror and the mirror is at an angle to the beam how could a new photon continue on the diverted angle not only would a new photon be created but it would have to stay on the same course this seems contradictive to the nature of directed light.