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A new way of seeing light
« on: 17/08/2021 15:45:51 »
It is believed that when light lands on an object the object becomes visible due to reflection but this may not be what is happening. I propose that what is believed to be reflected light is possibly a secondary phenomenon of reactivated electrons on the surface of the object its self. Light is one of many less understood natural occurrences and can be as difficult to comprehend as gravity, space or time. Light its self is produced by electromagnetic radiation stemming from its original source the humble electron I believe that the transformation of an electron to a photon is reversed as the photon lands on an object and stimulates the electrons at the surface reproducing photons. So in conclusion, reflection NO, activation YES. Objects can produce their own light from the outside just as glow worms and many other creatures can produce chemically stimulated light from within. Any thoughts on this new theory?
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Re: A new way of seeing light
« Reply #1 on: 17/08/2021 16:19:36 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 17/08/2021 15:45:51
Light its self is produced by electromagnetic radiation

Light isn't produced by electromagnetic radiation: it is a form of electromagnetic radiation.

Quote from: Just thinking on 17/08/2021 15:45:51
I believe that the transformation of an electron to a photon

Electrons cannot become photons, as that would violate conservation of charge (unless they annihilate with a positron).
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Re: A new way of seeing light
« Reply #2 on: 17/08/2021 16:35:54 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 17/08/2021 16:19:36
Light isn't produced by electromagnetic radiation: it is a form of electromagnetic radiation.[/quot
Quote from: Kryptid on 17/08/2021 16:19:36
Light isn't produced by electromagnetic radiation: it is a form of electromagnetic radiation.
A photon is electromagnetic radiation and that is where light comes from if the light does not come from electrons and electromagnetic radiation that is producing photons then I'm in the dark.
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Re: A new way of seeing light
« Reply #3 on: 17/08/2021 16:51:04 »
Photons are electromagnetic radiation (the smallest possible quantity of electromagnetic radiation, to be precise).
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Re: A new way of seeing light
« Reply #4 on: 17/08/2021 16:57:46 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 17/08/2021 16:51:04
Photons are electromagnetic radiation (the smallest possible quantity of electromagnetic radiation, to be precise).
Now we are getting somewhere so what about the theory I have put forward pretty good don't you think.
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Re: A new way of seeing light
« Reply #5 on: 17/08/2021 17:00:54 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 17/08/2021 16:57:46
Now we are getting somewhere so what about the theory I have put forward pretty good don't you think.

What do you think reflection is, exactly? What do you think is happening on the quantum level?
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Re: A new way of seeing light
« Reply #6 on: 17/08/2021 17:14:07 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 17/08/2021 17:00:54
What do you think reflection is, exactly? What do you think is happening on the quantum level?
This is the theory I don't think that it is a reflection I think the object is producing its own light from its surface due to being stimulated by photons that land and produce a glow from the electrons on the surface of the object.
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Re: A new way of seeing light
« Reply #7 on: 17/08/2021 17:15:00 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 17/08/2021 17:14:07
This is the theory I don't think that it is a reflection I think the object is producing its own light from its surface due to being stimulated by photons that land and produce a glow from the electrons on the surface of the object.

No, I mean, what do you think modern science's explanation is for reflection at the quantum level?
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Re: A new way of seeing light
« Reply #8 on: 17/08/2021 17:19:18 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 17/08/2021 17:15:00
No, I mean, what do you think modern science's explanation is for reflection at the quantum level?
I must say I'm a bit confused with this question but I assume it is the same thing. What is it that science is reported to be reflecting at a quantum level?
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Re: A new way of seeing light
« Reply #9 on: 17/08/2021 17:39:29 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 17/08/2021 17:14:07
I think the object is producing its own light from its surface due to being stimulated by photons that land and produce a glow from the electrons on the surface of the object.
What is the difference between that and reflection?
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Re: A new way of seeing light
« Reply #10 on: 17/08/2021 17:44:50 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 17/08/2021 17:39:29
What is the difference between that and reflection?
A reflection would be the same photon bouncing back my theory suggests that it is a newly produced photon that is returning from the object.
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Re: A new way of seeing light
« Reply #11 on: 17/08/2021 19:11:41 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 17/08/2021 17:44:50
Quote from: Bored chemist on 17/08/2021 17:39:29
What is the difference between that and reflection?
A reflection would be the same photon bouncing back my theory suggests that it is a newly produced photon that is returning from the object.
How could you tell?
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Re: A new way of seeing light
« Reply #12 on: 17/08/2021 19:21:41 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 17/08/2021 19:11:41
How could you tell?
Now that is a very good question and I'm very glad you have asked. We will have to manufacture a device that we will call a, new photon created light Spectrum analyzer machine I will leave that part for your very competent self to deliver.
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Re: A new way of seeing light
« Reply #13 on: 17/08/2021 20:01:01 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 17/08/2021 19:21:41
Quote from: Bored chemist on 17/08/2021 19:11:41
How could you tell?
Now that is a very good question and I'm very glad you have asked. We will have to manufacture a device that we will call a, new photon created light Spectrum analyzer machine I will leave that part for your very competent self to deliver.
OK.
There aren't many things you can measure about light, but the wavelength is one of them
Ordinarily, if you measure the light before and after it hits a mirror the wavelength is unchanged.

But if the mirror is moving, the light is doppler shifted.
What does that tell you?
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Re: A new way of seeing light
« Reply #14 on: 17/08/2021 20:07:02 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 17/08/2021 20:01:01
But if the mirror is moving, the light is doppler shifted.
What does that tell you?
That would mean that the light coming of the mirror is moving towards or away from the doppler tester machine.
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Re: A new way of seeing light
« Reply #15 on: 17/08/2021 20:16:57 »
It has to be going towards the machine- or it wouldn't get there to be tested.
And, relativity says it is traveling at the speed of light.
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Re: A new way of seeing light
« Reply #16 on: 17/08/2021 20:25:07 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 17/08/2021 20:16:57
It has to be going towards the machine- or it wouldn't get there to be tested.
And, relativity says it is traveling at the speed of light.
My apologies I meant to say that the source of light is moving towards or away not the light its self to give a doppler effect.
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Re: A new way of seeing light
« Reply #17 on: 17/08/2021 21:08:51 »
Well, if the light bulb is staying still, the mirror is moving and the light is doppler shifted, is that light coming from the mirror or the lamp?
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Re: A new way of seeing light
« Reply #18 on: 17/08/2021 21:16:25 »
If the bulb is still and the mirror is moving and you get a doppler shift the light is coming from the mirror.
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Re: A new way of seeing light
« Reply #19 on: 17/08/2021 21:35:03 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 17/08/2021 19:21:41
We will have to manufacture a device that we will call a, new photon created light Spectrum analyzer machine I will leave that part for your very competent self to deliver.

The two photons should be identical, so such a device cannot be built.
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