We put this to John Williams, Polymers and Materials Manager, at the National Non-Food Crops Centre:

John -   Well, I mean, traditionally, if you look at the materials we’ve produced from petrochemicals then the majority of plastics need to actually be durable. That’s what they’ve been developed for - maximum functionality.  And there are one or two pressure of petro-derived plastics that are biodegradable very used in speciality sort of type situations like medical applications and so on.  What’s happened recently, of course, is that the drive toward some aspect of biodegradabilities as a function is quite useful if you look into co-disposal of things which are also biodegradable like food waste, for example.  So, the answer is you actually you – the important thing is you pick the material for its functionality in terms of what its use is going to be rather what its disposal route is going to be.  But now, at the same time you say, actually if we did say, develop a biodegradable version of that, is that useful way to go or not?

We put this to John Williams, Polymers and Materials Manager at the National Non-Food Crops Centre:

John -   Well, for a start, let’s just say we don’t obviously want these things go to landfill, for a start. I mean there are – if you look at the two systems of landfill at the moment, there are sort of dry sanitized landfills, well, actually not a lot breaks down at all, deliberately so. There are wetter landfills where you actually try to derive methane off which is now tapped off as an energy source.  Now the old landfill, he's quite right.  You can actually derive off all sorts of materials.   Newspaper’s actually the classic but newspaper you got to bear in mind, actually, has quite - a very, very high lignin content.  It’s not processed greatly in a paper making process.  You've got a high lignin content there and lignin doesn’t break down at all.  Hence, for instance, trees and branches and so forth that don’t break down very well. It's exactly the same principle;but we’ve moved away from that now.

Chris -   Can I just ask you?  In the context of what we’ve already dumped in the ground with landfill, what are people doing about, for instance, tapping off the methane that is being produced by the breakdown of that material that’s in the ground?  Is that common practice and is that being used effectively?

John -   I think that seems increasingly common practice because, obviously, there’s a route now to actually deriving an energy source and not wishing to dodge the question but I know Peter Jones actually knows an awful lot about this in terms of landfill; methane tap-off than I do.

Chris -   Which we ask him.

John -   Yeah.

Chris -   Peter, what do you think?

Peter -   Yes, the theoretical recovery rate on a landfill of around 1-2 million cubic meters should be in the order of 60% to 70 %. That’s effectively a figure we arrived at by calculating what a given mass of carbon would convert to.  But what you have to do is line those systems with a basal liner.  You have to make sure, as you’ve heard from John, that you’ve effectively got plenty of liquid in that landfill and those bio they – it is a bio reactor that is capped.  But you will always get methane.  This is the bête noir of landfill.  You’ll always get methane formation within almost hours, certainly days, of waste being deposited on a face.

We put this question to John Williams, Polymers and Materials Manager at the National Non-Food Crops Centre:

John -  Well, that’s the drive. There's a drive there anyway at the moment to do that.  That’s why you see the decline of PVC in certain applications in the market place, which is one of the usual problems.  We are deriving clearer plastic streams which will be a lot purer.