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Title: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 27/06/2022 15:40:12
What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
First, an introduction.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_hypothesis

In mathematics, the Riemann hypothesis is a conjecture that the Riemann zeta function has its zeros only at the negative even integers and complex numbers with real part
1/2
. Many consider it to be the most important unsolved problem in pure mathematics.[1] It is of great interest in number theory because it implies results about the distribution of prime numbers. It was proposed by Bernhard Riemann (1859), after whom it is named.

The Riemann hypothesis and some of its generalizations, along with Goldbach's conjecture and the twin prime conjecture, make up Hilbert's eighth problem in David Hilbert's list of twenty-three unsolved problems; it is also one of the Clay Mathematics Institute's Millennium Prize Problems, which offers a million dollars to anyone who solves any of them. The name is also used for some closely related analogues, such as the Riemann hypothesis for curves over finite fields.

The Riemann zeta function ζ(s) is a function whose argument s may be any complex number other than 1, and whose values are also complex. It has zeros at the negative even integers; that is, ζ(s) = 0 when s is one of −2, −4, −6, .... These are called its trivial zeros. The zeta function is also zero for other values of s, which are called nontrivial zeros. The Riemann hypothesis is concerned with the locations of these nontrivial zeros, and states that:

The real part of every nontrivial zero of the Riemann zeta function is
1/2
.

Thus, if the hypothesis is correct, all the nontrivial zeros lie on the critical line consisting of the complex numbers
1/2 + i t, where t is a real number and i is the imaginary unit.

You may find the visualization in this video by 3blue1brown to be helpful.
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Visualizing the Riemann zeta function and analytic continuation
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 27/06/2022 15:43:52
A Youtube channel seems to be dedicated to explain this problem, and I find it as one of the best explanation online.
https://www.youtube.com/c/zetamath/videos
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 27/06/2022 15:54:10
Someone thinks that he might have solved the problem
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 28/06/2022 11:36:53
A Youtube channel seems to be dedicated to explain this problem, and I find it as one of the best explanation online.
https://www.youtube.com/c/zetamath/videos
If you are serious to understand this problem, this video is a good place to start.

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Factorials, prime numbers, and the Riemann Hypothesis

Today we introduce some of the ideas of analytic number theory, and employ them to help us understand the size of n!.  We use that understanding to discover a surprisingly accurate picture of the distribution of the prime numbers, and explore how this fits into the broader context of one of the most important unsolved problems in mathematics, the Riemann Hypothesis.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 28/06/2022 11:37:15
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The Basel Problem Part 1: Euler-Maclaurin Approximation
This is the first video in a two part series explaining how Euler discovered that the sum of the reciprocals of the square numbers is π^2/6, leading him to define the zeta function, and how Riemann discovered the surprising connection between the zeroes of the zeta function and the distribution of the primes, leading ultimately to his statement of the Riemann Hypothesis.  This video focuses on how Euler developed a method to approximate this sum to 17 decimal places, as well as how the Bernoulli numbers naturally appear as part of this problem.



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The Basel Problem Part 2: Euler's Proof and the Riemann Hypothesis

In this video, I present Euler's proof that the solution to the Basel problem is pi^2/6. I discuss a surprising connection Euler discovered between a generalization of the Basel problem and the Bernoulli numbers, as well as his invention of the zeta function. I explain Euler's discovery of the connection between the zeta function and the prime numbers, and I discuss how Riemann's continuation of Euler's work led him to state the Riemann hypothesis, one of the most important conjectures in the entire history of mathematics.
Sections of this video:
00:00 Intro
01:24 Euler's Basel proof
23:20 The zeta function and the Bernoulli numbers
32:01 Zeta and the primes
48:15 The Riemann hypothesis

Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 28/06/2022 11:38:32
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Analytic Continuation and the Zeta Function

Where do complex functions come from? In this video we explore the idea of analytic continuation, a powerful technique which allows us to extend functions such as sin(x) from the real numbers into the complex plane. Using analytic continuation we can finally define the zeta function for complex inputs and make sense of what it is the Riemann Hypothesis is claiming.

Chapters:
00:00 zetamath does puzzles
00:23 Recap
02:40 Bombelli and the cubic formula
08:45 Evaluating real functions at complex numbers
12:33 Maclaurin series
21:22 Taylor series
27:19 Analytic continuation
35:57 What goes wrong
48:19 Next time
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 28/06/2022 11:40:43

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Complex Integration and Finding Zeros of the Zeta Function

In this video we examine the other half of complex calculus: integration. We explain how the idea of a complex line integral arises naturally from real definite integrals via Riemann sums, and we examine some of the properties of this new sort of integral. In particular, we consider some complications that arise when trying to apply the fundamental theorem of calculus to complex functions.

We then bring these ideas to the central focus of this series: the zeta function and the Riemann hypothesis. By the end of the video, we will be able to use complex integrals to approximate the location of the zeroes of the zeta function (or those of any other complex function for that matter)!


Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 29/06/2022 17:17:50
Here are some interesting results which might be useful in solving the problem.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_zeta_function#Riemann's_functional_equation

This zeta function satisfies the functional equation
(https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/a4c33a4fef2cb6271b95028cf7a012d2c0d0ec00)
where Γ(s) is the gamma function. This is an equality of meromorphic functions valid on the whole complex plane. The equation relates values of the Riemann zeta function at the points s and 1 − s, in particular relating even positive integers with odd negative integers. Owing to the zeros of the sine function, the functional equation implies that ζ(s) has a simple zero at each even negative integer s = −2n, known as the trivial zeros of ζ(s). When s is an even positive integer, the product sin(πs/2)Γ(1 − s) on the right is non-zero because Γ(1 − s) has a simple pole, which cancels the simple zero of the sine factor.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_zeta_function#Other_results
The fact that
(https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/d8b09034e8f5f6df4406385816e4a6f7109e19cc)
for all complex s ≠ 1 implies that the zeros of the Riemann zeta function are symmetric about the real axis. Combining this symmetry with the functional equation, furthermore, one sees that the non-trivial zeros are symmetric about the critical line Re(s) = ½

It is also known that no zeros lie on a line with real part 1.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_hypothesis#Zeros_on_the_critical_line
Hardy (1914) and Hardy & Littlewood (1921) showed there are infinitely many zeros on the critical line, by considering moments of certain functions related to the zeta function. Selberg (1942) proved that at least a (small) positive proportion of zeros lie on the line. Levinson (1974) improved this to one-third of the zeros by relating the zeros of the zeta function to those of its derivative, and Conrey (1989) improved this further to two-fifths. In 2020, this estimate was extended to five-twelfths by Pratt, Robles, Zaharescu and Zeindler[22] by considering extended mollifiers that can accommodate higher order derivatives of the zeta function and their associated Kloosterman sums.

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https://mathworld.wolfram.com/RiemannHypothesis.html
 It is known that the zeros are symmetrically placed about the line I(s)=0. This follows from the fact that, for all complex numbers s,

1. s and the complex conjugate s* are symmetrically placed about this line.

2. From the definition (1), the Riemann zeta function satisfies zeta(s*)=zeta(s)*, so that if s is a zero, so is s*, since then zeta(s*)=zeta(s)*=0*=0.

It is also known that the nontrivial zeros are symmetrically placed about the critical line R(s)=1/2, a result which follows from the functional equation and the symmetry about the line I(s)=0. For if s is a nontrivial zero, then 1-s is also a zero (by the functional equation), and then 1-s* is another zero. But s and 1-s* are symmetrically placed about the line R(s)=1/2, since 1-(x+iy)*=(1-x)+iy, and if x=1/2+x', then 1-x=1/2-x'.

From above results, it can be inferred that for any point in the critical strip,
ζ(s*)=ζ(1-s) if and only if s is in critical line,
where s*=complex conjugate of s.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 01/07/2022 05:59:51
Basically, proofing Riemann's Zeta function must demonstrate that assuming the existence of non-trivial zero of Riemann's Zeta function with real component other than 0.5 leads to contradiction. Thousands of top mathematicians have tried to solve it unsuccessfully. Millions of math enthusiasts might have tried their luck attacking the problem from various directions, but it still withstands.

At this point, it should be obvious that direct attack on the problem is impossible. There must be some missing key ingredients not yet thought to be related to the problem.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: Bored chemist on 01/07/2022 13:32:43
There must be some missing key ingredients not yet thought to be related to the problem.
No
It may not be provable.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 02/07/2022 06:07:27
There must be some missing key ingredients not yet thought to be related to the problem.
No
It may not be provable.
Why? Do you have any reason to think that way? Or is it just your intuition?
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: Bored chemist on 02/07/2022 12:17:55
There must be some missing key ingredients not yet thought to be related to the problem.
No
It may not be provable.
Why? Do you have any reason to think that way? Or is it just your intuition?
It is known that some problems are impossible to solve- That's the incompleteness theorem.
I'm simply stating that this problem might be one of them.

And if that's true then this statement

There must be some missing key ingredients not yet thought to be related to the problem.
is false.
There may not be any missing ingredient that would allow you to solve it.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: evan_au on 03/07/2022 10:45:45
Quote from: Bored Chemist
some problems are impossible to solve- That's the incompleteness theorem
The Incompleteness Theorem applies within a specific domain of mathematics - it may be impossible to prove some true statements within the axioms of that system.

However, some mathematical breakthroughs occur when applying results from a quite different domain of mathematics.
- Effectively, this extends the original set of axioms with an additional set of axioms over a different domain
- There may be additional true statements within the new, extended set of axioms that are unproveable within that extended set of axioms.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 13/07/2022 03:51:56
At this point, it should be obvious that direct attack on the problem is impossible.

But it doesn't stop us from trying anyway. We can start from the functional equation.

Here are some interesting results which might be useful in solving the problem.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_zeta_function#Riemann's_functional_equation

This zeta function satisfies the functional equation
(https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/a4c33a4fef2cb6271b95028cf7a012d2c0d0ec00)
where Γ(s) is the gamma function. This is an equality of meromorphic functions valid on the whole complex plane. The equation relates values of the Riemann zeta function at the points s and 1 − s, in particular relating even positive integers with odd negative integers. Owing to the zeros of the sine function, the functional equation implies that ζ(s) has a simple zero at each even negative integer s = −2n, known as the trivial zeros of ζ(s). When s is an even positive integer, the product sin(πs/2)Γ(1 − s) on the right is non-zero because Γ(1 − s) has a simple pole, which cancels the simple zero of the sine factor.

When Riemann zeta function produces 0 result, ζ(s) = 0, at least one of these terms is 0
1) 2s  = 0 →  s = -∞
2) πs-1  = 0 →  s = -∞
3) sin(πs/2).Γ(1-s) = 0  →  s ∈ {negative even numbers}
4) ζ(1-s) = 0 = ζ(s)

Point #3 gives trivial zeros, while point #4 gives non-trivial zeros.
when 1-s=s  → 1=2s  →  s=1/2 
But  ζ(1/2) <> 0
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: Bored chemist on 13/07/2022 08:52:30
There may be additional true statements within the new, extended set of axioms that are unproveable within that extended set of axioms.
And the RH might be one of them.
Is there proof that there is a proof, or is it possible that the OP is wasting his time?
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 13/07/2022 09:17:04
From above results, it can be inferred that for any point in the critical strip,
ζ(s*)=ζ(1-s) if and only if s is in critical line,
where s*=complex conjugate of s.

4) ζ(1-s) = 0 = ζ(s)

The fact that
ζ(s) = (ζ(s*))*

But we only care about the case where ζ(s) = 0.
0* = 0
 →  ζ(s) = ζ(s*) = ζ(1-s) = 0

when s* = 1-s  →  s+s* = 1 
→  Re(s)+Im(s).i + Re(s)-Im(s).i = 1  →  2.Re(s) = 1 
→  Re(s) = ½
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 14/07/2022 06:16:23
For the sake of the argument, let's assume that Riemann's hypothesis is false. It implies that there are ζ(s)=0 where Re(s)≠½.
Consequently, s*≠1-s, and there will be 2 zeros with the same imaginary parts.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 19/07/2022 18:58:30
There may be additional true statements within the new, extended set of axioms that are unproveable within that extended set of axioms.
And the RH might be one of them.
Is there proof that there is a proof, or is it possible that the OP is wasting his time?
Let's learn what history can teach us.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 21/07/2022 04:09:15
From the functional equation
(https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/a4c33a4fef2cb6271b95028cf7a012d2c0d0ec00)

When Riemann zeta function produces 0 result, ζ(s) = 0, at least one of these terms is 0
1) 2s  = 0 →  s = -∞
2) πs-1  = 0 →  s = -∞
3) sin(πs/2).Γ(1-s) = 0  →  s ∈ {negative even numbers}
4) ζ(1-s) = 0 = ζ(s)

Point #3 gives trivial zeros, while point #4 gives non-trivial zeros.
when 1-s=s  → 1=2s  →  s=½
But  ζ(½) <> 0
Riemann's hypothesis only cares about point #4, which gives non-trivial zeros.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_zeta_function#Other_results
The fact that
(https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/d8b09034e8f5f6df4406385816e4a6f7109e19cc)
Or if written in alternative notation, ζ(s)=(ζ(s*))*
for all complex s ≠ 1 implies that the zeros of the Riemann zeta function are symmetric about the real axis. Combining this symmetry with the functional equation, furthermore, one sees that the non-trivial zeros are symmetric about the critical line Re(s) = ½

It is also known that no zeros lie on a line with real part 1.
Using above results, proving Riemann's hypothesis can be done by following these reasonings



Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 21/07/2022 12:48:17
Let's start by observing how the equation ζ(s) looks like for several different parameters.
First, let's see the plot of Zeta function in critical line.
In WolframAlpha, type
plot zeta (0.5+si) from 0 to 30
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+zeta+%280.5%2Bsi%29++from+0+to+30

Then compare to it's absolute value
plot |zeta (0.5+si)|  from 0 to 30
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%7Czeta+%280.5%2Bsi%29%7C++from+0+to+30

Then compare to absolute value of points outside the critical line
plot |zeta (0.6+si)|  from 0 to 30
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%7Czeta+%280.6%2Bsi%29%7C++from+0+to+30

plot |zeta (0.3+si)|  from 0 to 30
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%7Czeta+%280.3%2Bsi%29%7C++from+0+to+30

plot |zeta (0.7+si)|  from 0 to 30
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%7Czeta+%280.7%2Bsi%29%7C++from+0+to+30
plot |zeta (0.9+si)|  from 0 to 30
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%7Czeta+%280.9%2Bsi%29%7C++from+0+to+30

The pattern we can observe is that for the same imaginary part, the plot's minima of zeta function gets closer to 0 when the real part of z is closer to 0.5
It means if there exist zero of zeta function where the real part of the variable is not equal to 0.5, the function will also produce zero when the real part of the variable is changed to get closer to 0.5
By reflection, if there exist zero of zeta function where the real part of the variable is not equal to 0.5, the function will also produce zero when the real part of the variable is changed to get further away from 0.5
But somehow it's no longer zero when Re(s)=1
These result in contradiction that there would be infinitely many zeros with the same imaginary parts, which brings us to conclude that Non-trivial zeros of Riemann's hypothesis must be located at the critical line, Re(s)=0.5, which means that Riemann's hypothesis must be true.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 22/07/2022 05:05:28
Then compare to absolute value of points outside the critical line
When the real part gets higher than 1, the shape of the curve gets closer to sinusoidal.
plot |zeta (1+si)|  from 0 to 30
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%7Czeta+%281%2Bsi%29%7C++from+0+to+30
plot |zeta (2+si)|  from 0 to 30
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%7Czeta+%282%2Bsi%29%7C++from+0+to+30
plot |zeta (4+si)|  from 0 to 30
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%7Czeta+%284%2Bsi%29%7C++from+0+to+30
plot |zeta (16+si)|  from 0 to 30
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%7Czeta+%2816%2Bsi%29%7C++from+0+to+30
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 22/07/2022 05:15:19
When the real part gets lower than 0, the shape of the curve gets closer to exponential.
plot |zeta (0+si)|  from 0 to 30
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%7Czeta+%280%2Bsi%29%7C++from+0+to+30
plot |zeta (-1+si)|  from 0 to 30
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%7Czeta+%28-1%2Bsi%29%7C++from+0+to+30
plot |zeta (-5+si)|  from 0 to 30
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%7Czeta+%28-5%2Bsi%29%7C++from+0+to+30

We can confirm these by plotting their logarithmic values.
plot ln|zeta (0+si)|  from 0 to 30
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+ln%7Czeta+%280%2Bsi%29%7C++from+0+to+30
plot ln|zeta (-1+si)|  from 0 to 30
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+ln%7Czeta+%28-1%2Bsi%29%7C++from+0+to+30
plot ln|zeta (-5+si)|  from 0 to 30
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+ln%7Czeta+%28-5%2Bsi%29%7C++from+0+to+30 
plot ln|zeta (-50+si)|  from 0 to 30
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+ln%7Czeta+%28-50%2Bsi%29%7C++from+0+to+30
plot ln|zeta (-500+si)|  from 0 to 30
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+ln%7Czeta+%28-500%2Bsi%29%7C++from+0+to+30
The last curve is close to straight line. It confirms that absolute value of zeta function gets closer to exponential when the real part gets lower than 0.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 22/07/2022 05:30:43

These result in contradiction that there would be infinitely many zeros with the same imaginary parts, which brings us to conclude that Non-trivial zeros of Riemann's hypothesis must be located at the critical line, Re(s)=0.5, which means that Riemann's hypothesis must be true.

Now we're back to the first question in this thread.

What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: Eternal Student on 22/07/2022 14:39:16
Hi.

Now we're back to the first question in this thread.
......    What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?

     The usual methods aren't productive.  That's the short answer.

   You've already had some reasonable replies from @Bored chemist  and @evan_au  (all on page 1) discussing the possibility that it might be true but unprovable from the ZF(C) axiom system.   Equally, it might be false but not provably false in the ZF(C) axiom system.   
    As you've probably already realised, it only takes someone to find a single counter-example:  A zero of the function which isn't an even integer or has real part = 1/2    and then the conjecture has been falsified.    Since people have been trying for a few years, the chances are now looking good that the conjecture is true.   The main issue is whether this is provable.

The bigger picture:
     We are used to being able to phrase or set up a problem in Mathematics and then find a proof (or proof that it doesn't hold).   Some human bias is then inevitable, you leave school thinking that mathematics can probably solve every problem.   Yes, sure there may be some problems I can't solve but someone, somewhere, could probably solve it or given enough time and determination I might even be able to solve it myself  - That's the sort of impression you leave school with.
     You would not have been shown or taught examples where Mathematics could not resolve a problem.   There would have been little educational value in it.   As a consequence, people rarely consider how many statements (let's say statements in formal first order logic) exist but have no proof (or falsification).   We have Godel's theorem's, so we know at least some such statements exist but few people consider how many such statements exist.
      Early Mathematicians were fairly certain that the rational numbers were all that was important and irrational numbers either didn't exist or were just inconvenient things that appear in mathematics only occasionally.   They were, in some sense, wrong.   The irrational numbers vastly outnumber the rational numbers (I know you've started other threads where the comparison of the cardinality of these sets has been discussed, so I'm not going to bother giving references for that).   Anyway, despite the seemingly overwhelming chances that numbers appearing at random would be irrational, it was possible for those early mathematicians to build incredibly powerful systems of mathematics, solve many problems that appeared in real life and improve the science and technology of the time.   They did all of that while skirting around what the majority of the Real numbers actually are.
        In a similar way, the number of mathematical statements*  that are NOT provably true or provably false from a given axiom system may be much larger than we had thought.

 * Mathematical statements  --->  statements constructed from a formal system of symbolic logic.   Reference:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_logic#Formal_logical_systems ).

Best Wishes.

 
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 22/07/2022 17:37:15
The usual methods aren't productive.  That's the short answer.
Let's say I make a conjecture that there's no zero of Riemann's Zeta function with real component higher than 1. Is this conjecture provable?
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: Eternal Student on 22/07/2022 19:06:36
Hi.

Let's say I make a conjecture that there's no zero of Riemann's Zeta function with real component higher than 1. Is this conjecture provable?
   I don't know.   How long am I supposed to spend checking it?
Many people have spent some years looking at the Riemann Hypothesis,  I don't really want to spend that long.

Best Wishes.

Late Editing:  Actually this one may not take too long.   I think it's already been shown that all non-trivial zeros are in the critical strip   ( 0 <  Re(s) < 1).   So if   Re(s) > 1 then s is not a zero of the Riemann Zeta function.
Reference:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_zeta_function#Zeros,_the_critical_line,_and_the_Riemann_hypothesis
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 23/07/2022 02:37:15
Hi.

Let's say I make a conjecture that there's no zero of Riemann's Zeta function with real component higher than 1. Is this conjecture provable?
   I don't know.   How long am I supposed to spend checking it?
Many people have spent some years looking at the Riemann Hypothesis,  I don't really want to spend that long.

Best Wishes.

Late Editing:  Actually this one may not take too long.   I think it's already been shown that all non-trivial zeros are in the critical strip   ( 0 <  Re(s) < 1).   So if   Re(s) > 1 then s is not a zero of the Riemann Zeta function.
Reference:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_zeta_function#Zeros,_the_critical_line,_and_the_Riemann_hypothesis
Which part of the reference that you quoted contains the proof that zero of Riemann's zeta function can not have real part >1 ?
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 23/07/2022 09:51:21
It confirms that absolute value of zeta function gets closer to exponential when the real part gets lower than 0.
These results show that absolute value of zeta function in critical strip represents transition zone between exponential and sinusoidal function.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 23/07/2022 10:01:30
My proof can be broken down into several parts to make it easier to analyze. It starts with an observation. To help tracing and pointing out in discussion, let's assign a number to it, #1.
The pattern we can observe is that for the same imaginary part, the plot's minima of zeta function gets closer to 0 when the real part of z is closer to 0.5

Part #2 is simply a consequence of part #1.
It means if there exist zero of zeta function where the real part of the variable is not equal to 0.5, the function will also produce zero when the real part of the variable is changed to get closer to 0.5

Part #3 is simply a consequence of part #2.
By reflection, if there exist zero of zeta function where the real part of the variable is not equal to 0.5, the function will also produce zero when the real part of the variable is changed to get further away from 0.5

Part #4 is additional information taken from external reference, which for now is taken as axiom.
But somehow it's no longer zero when Re(s)=1

Part#5 is the conclusion from previous parts, which is a proof by contradiction. This conclusion can be invalidated by showing that at least one of previous parts is false.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 23/07/2022 10:23:28
At first glance, part#1 doesn't seem to be convincing, since it is only based on observations. But I'm pretty sure that it can be obtained from functional equation itself. So does the part#4 which the other parts are contradicted against.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: Eternal Student on 23/07/2022 14:29:37
Hi.

Which part of the reference that you quoted contains the proof that zero of Riemann's zeta function can not have real part >1 ?
   The proof is not shown in that article,  just the final result is stated:

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   The same result is stated in may other articles,  for example:
 
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Zeros of the Riemann zeta function zeta(s) come in two different types. So-called "trivial zeros" occur at all negative even integers s=-2, -4, -6, ..., and "nontrivial zeros" occur at certain values of t satisfying
s=σ+it    
for s in the "critical strip" 0<σ<1
[Taken from   https://mathworld.wolfram.com/RiemannZetaFunctionZeros.html ]

    I can't find the paper(s) where the result was first proved and it probably wasn't just one paper but several papers each with a result over different parts of the critical strip.   

This book seems to be cited by many articles and apparently does contain a full proof of the result and it's where I would recommend you start looking.   I'm sure that will also cite the original paper(s) where the result(s) were first proved, if you're intersted in the history.

E. C. Titchmarsh, The theory of the Riemann Zeta-function, Oxford Science publications, second edition, revised by D. R. Heath-Brown (1986).

     That's a £120 book and it's not on my book shelf but if you have access to a library you might be able to find it.

Best Wishes.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 23/07/2022 16:10:09
The proof is not shown in that article,  just the final result is stated:
Without a proof, we are forced to appeal to the authority, which is a kind of logical fallacy.
Perhaps we can get the proof by scrutinizing the functional equation.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: Eternal Student on 23/07/2022 20:44:00
Hi.

Perhaps we can get the proof by scrutinizing the functional equation.
   Maybe but that could take a long time.   The chances are it took several people a few years to piece that result together.   The fastest way to get the proof is likely to be getting to the library and finding the book.  The proof may not even be more than a few pages and it might even look quite easy - but that's the thing about Mathematics:   It often looks easy when you know how to do it.   However, getting there can involve multiple "dead-ends"  - time wasted in pursuing ideas that looked promising but ultimately lead nowhere useful.   Quite often there's a few steps where there is no good reason to explain why anyone would have thought that it was worth trying.

    If, like me, you can't easily get to a library, then you might prefer to make another search for the result on the internet.   Just be carefull to look for reliable and authoritative sources.  There are many supposedly complete proofs of the Riemann Hypothesis that are available online but most of these have been shown to be inaccurate.   These swamp the results you get in a simple Google search and just the process of searching for good information has already taken me nearly an hour.   Sadly, many of the reliable sources of information hold the articles and research papers behind a pay-wall  (you have to pay to view the article).

we are forced to appeal to the authority,
   No, you don't have to believe them because their "an authority".   However, it is obviously sensible and time efficient to check their proof first rather than trying to prove everything yourself from scratch.
   
Best Wishes.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: evan_au on 23/07/2022 23:53:27
Quote from: Eternal Student
the thing about Mathematics:   It often looks easy when you know how to do it
I have heard that the mathematician Gauss had a reputation for working on a mathematical problem until he solved it. And then, knowing it was true, he looked for the most elegant way of showing that it was true - but in a way that made it difficult for other mathematicians to use the learnings he had gained in discovering the result.
https://mathworld.wolfram.com/NonconstructiveProof.html
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: Eternal Student on 24/07/2022 02:07:54
Hi.

I liked the post @evan_au .

I have heard that the mathematician Gauss had a reputation for working on a mathematical problem until he solved it.
   Yes, apparently Gauss gave up mathematics when he found he was too old and he couldn't go longer than about 6 hours without his mind starting to wander a bit.   (My mind wanders a bit after 10 minutes).

About a non-educational proof:
   The Riemann Hypothesis is very likely to be one of those things where we would learn more by seeing all the techniques that were tried but failed to prove the result.    If there is a final proof of the hypothesis, then it is likely to be very specific to this problem and may provide no transferable methods or techniques - i.e. nothing that would be especially useful to solve any other problem in mathematics.

    However, the link you provided to a definition of a "non-constructive proof" is really describing something else.   It isn't necessarily that there isn't any educational value in the proof.   Instead, it's just that the proof focuses on establishing just the existence of something without necessarily providing any method to actually find the object of interest.   Providing non-constructive proofs is a bit of a "fashion"  - but that's going to take too long to discuss in this post.  With computers there is now a renewed interest in providing more practical proofs in mathematics - things that will lead to algorithms for finding things.

Examples:
   The intermediate value theorem:  If f (x) is continuous on the interval [a, b] and Y is a value between f(a) and f(b), then there exists a number c ∈ (a, b) such that f(c) = Y .
   This is a common theorem and the proof does only what is required - it proves the existence of a suitable c∈(a,b).    However, it provides no practical method to actually evaluate c.   You might know that a suitable value must exist but your on your own if you have to find it.   The proof is "non-constructive" - it does not show any method you could use to construct (or find) this value, c, given a particular function f.

   The fundamental theorem of arithmetic:    Every Natural number, N, can be written as a product of primes raised to some power.   Furthermore that representation is unique upto changing the order in which you write the factors and perform the multiplication.
    This is another common theorem but the standard proof is much more practical.   It's a "constructive proof" or "construction proof" instead of just an existence proof.   The first part of the proof (establishing the existence of one representation as a product of prime factorisation) involves finding factors and progressively dividing them out.   If you were given a specific natural number like 10036 and had to find the unique prime factorisation, this is exactly how you would want to go about it.   So the proof does more than just show a unique factorisation exists - it shows you how to construct it.

Best Wishes.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 24/07/2022 12:32:28
Here's an example of attempt to prove Riemann hypothesis.

https://www.math.purdue.edu/~branges/proof-riemann-2017-04.pdf

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THE RIEMANN HYPOTHESIS
Louis de Branges*
Abstract. A proof of the Riemann hypothesis is to be obtained for the zeta functions
constructed from a discrete vector space of finite dimension over the skew–field of quaternions
with rational numbers as coordinates in hyperbolic analysis on locally compact Abelian groups
obtained by completion. Zeta functions are generated by a discrete group of symplectic
transformations. The coefficients of a zeta function are eigenfunctions of Hecke operators
defined by the group. In the nonsingular case the Riemann hypothesis is a consequence of
the maximal accretive property of a Radon transformation defined in Fourier analysis. In the
singular case the Riemann hypothesis is a consequence of the maximal accretive property of
the restriction of the Radon transformation to a subspace defined by parity. The Riemann
hypothesis for the Euler zeta function is a corollary.
1. Generalization of the Gamma Function
The abstract reminds me of some papers written by an old computer algorithm which constructed grammatically correct sentences but meaningless.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 29/07/2022 00:23:37
Let's take s=a+bi, where a and b are real numbers.
0<a<0.5
0<b<∞

s*=a-bi
1-s=1-a-bi
1-s*=1-a+bi

when ζ(1-s)=0 → ζ(s)=0, ζ(s*)=0,  ζ(1-s*)=0
The sum and difference among those terms must also equal 0
ζ(s) + ζ(s*)=0
ζ(s) - ζ(s*)=0
ζ(1-s) + ζ(s*)=0
ζ(1-s) - ζ(s*)=0
ζ(1-s*) + ζ(s*)=0
ζ(1-s*) - ζ(s*)=0

ζ(s) + ζ(1-s)=0
ζ(s) - ζ(1-s)=0
ζ(1-s*) + ζ(1-s)=0
ζ(1-s*) - ζ(1-s)=0

ζ(s) + ζ(1-s*)=0
ζ(s) - ζ(1-s*)=0
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 29/07/2022 00:50:45
Let's take some examples of the plot, where a=0.3.
For some unclear reason, Wolfram Alpha refuses to plot |zeta (0.3+bi)|  from 0 to 30
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%7Czeta+%280.3%2Bbi%29%7C++from+0+to+30
But it allows to plot |zeta (0.3+ti)|  from 0 to 30
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%7Czeta+%280.3%2Bti%29%7C++from+0+to+30

ζ(s) + ζ(1-s*)  → ζ(0.3+ti) + ζ(0.7+ti)
plot |zeta (0.3+ti)+zeta (0.7+ti)|  from 0 to 30
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%7Czeta+%280.3%2Bti%29%2Bzeta+%280.7%2Bti%29%7C++from+0+to+30

ζ(s) - ζ(1-s*)  → ζ(0.3+ti) - ζ(0.7+ti)
plot |zeta (0.3+ti)- zeta (0.7+ti)| from 0 to 30
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%7Czeta+%280.3%2Bti%29-+zeta+%280.7%2Bti%29%7C+from+0+to+30

Plot of the sum looks more like ζ(0.5+ti), but if zoomed in, the minima are not 0.
Plot of the difference looks much different than ζ(0.5+ti). It doesn't even have the same base frequency.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 29/07/2022 01:03:59
ζ(s) + ζ(1-s)  → ζ(0.3+ti) + ζ(0.7-ti)
plot |zeta (0.3+ti)+zeta (0.7-ti)| from 0 to 30
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%7Czeta+%280.3%2Bti%29%2Bzeta+%280.7-ti%29%7C+from+0+to+30

ζ(s) + ζ(1-s)  → ζ(0.3+ti) - ζ(0.7-ti)
plot |zeta (0.3+ti)-zeta (0.7-ti)| from 0 to 30
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%7Czeta+%280.3%2Bti%29-zeta+%280.7-ti%29%7C+from+0+to+30

The plot of the sum looks more smooth near 0. While plot of the difference has twice the frequency.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 27/08/2022 05:13:52
Basically, proofing Riemann's Zeta function must demonstrate that assuming the existence of non-trivial zero of Riemann's Zeta function with real component other than 0.5 leads to contradiction. Thousands of top mathematicians have tried to solve it unsuccessfully. Millions of math enthusiasts might have tried their luck attacking the problem from various directions, but it still withstands.

At this point, it should be obvious that direct attack on the problem is impossible. There must be some missing key ingredients not yet thought to be related to the problem.

Perhaps we can learn from someone else's success. It's possible that the problem here will end up with a similar story.
 

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Old Problem About Mathematical Curves Falls to Young Couple
https://www.quantamagazine.org/old-problem-about-algebraic-curves-falls-to-young-mathematicians-20220825/
A basic fact of geometry, known for millennia, is that you can draw a line through any two points in the plane. Any more points, and you’re out of luck: It’s not likely that a single line will pass through all of them. But you can pass a circle through any three points, and a conic section (an ellipse, parabola or hyperbola) through any five.

More generally, mathematicians want to know when you can draw a curve through arbitrarily many points in arbitrarily many dimensions. It’s a fundamental question — known as the interpolation problem — about algebraic curves, one of the most central objects in mathematics. “This is really about just understanding what curves are,” said Ravi Vakil, a mathematician at Stanford University.

(https://d2r55xnwy6nx47.cloudfront.net/uploads/2022/08/BRILL_NOETHER_CURVES_920-desktop.svg)

Larson began his involvement with the interpolation problem while he was working on another major question in algebraic geometry known as the maximal rank conjecture. When, as a graduate student, he set his sights on this conjecture — which had been open for more than a century — it seemed like “a really dumb idea, because this conjecture was like a graveyard,” Vakil said. “He was trying to chase something which people much older than him had failed at over a long period of time.”

But Larson kept at it, and in 2017, he presented a full proof that established him as a rising star in the field.

“They make the arguments seem very natural. Like, it seems very unsurprising,” said Dave Jensen, a mathematician at the University of Kentucky. “Which is odd, because this is a result that other people tried to prove and were unable to.”
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 10/10/2022 03:41:20
I just found a great video about prime numbers I'd like to share here.

A Formula for the Primes: Willans' Formula
Quote
There is actually a formula for the nth prime number! One was cleverly engineered in 1964 by C. P. Willans. But is it useful?

# Python code

import math

def prime(n):
    return 1 + sum([
        math.floor(pow(n/sum([
            math.floor(pow(math.cos(math.pi * (math.factorial(j - 1) + 1)/j), 2))
            for j in range(1, i+1)
        ]), 1/n))
        for i in range(1, pow(2, n)+1)
    ])

--------------

(* Mathematica code *)

prime[n_] := 1 + Sum[Floor[(n/Sum[Floor[Cos[Pi ((j - 1)! + 1)/j]^2], {j, 1, i}])^(1/n)], {i, 1, 2^n}]

--------------

0:00 A formula for primes?
1:24 Engineering a prime detector
4:00 Improving the prime detector
5:46 Counting primes
6:29 Determining the nth prime
9:42 The final step
11:36 What counts as a formula?
12:56 What's the point?
13:51 Who was Willans?

Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 19/10/2022 09:18:58
And here is the latest news regarding Riemann Hypothesis.

https://pandaily.com/mathematician-yitang-zhang-claims-to-have-proven-riemann-hypothesis-problem/
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Yitang Zhang, a Chinese-American mathematician, reportedly disclosed in an online salon organized by the Peking University Alumni Association on October 15 that he has proven the longstanding Landau-Siegel zeros theory. This finding is related to the Riemann hypothesis, a formula for the distribution of prime numbers that has remained unsolved for more than a century. However, the claim has not yet been fully verified, and it is reported that a relevant article of more than 100 pages will be sent to a preprint website in early November.

The Landau-Siegel zeros topic has represented one of the most difficult problems in number theory this century. It is a weak form of the Riemann hypothesis, which studies the existence of zeros in the DirichletL-function (a function defined on the whole complex plane). A century of research has shown that the Landau-Siegel zeros can be more difficult to solve than the Riemann hypothesis. Therefore, if Zhang Yitang has really proven that Landau-Siegel zeros exist, the Riemann hypothesis would be wrong. But for now, many people are more inclined to believe that Zhang proved the opposite result.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 14/12/2022 13:27:32
Here's another interesting video on Riemann's Hypothesis.
The Riemann Hypothesis feat. prime numbers
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Solve one equation and earn a million dollars! We will explorer the secrets behind the Riemann Hypothesis - the most famous open problem in mathematics - and what it would tell us about prime numbers.

I should have mentioned one additional property, namely zeros are mirrored along the line 1/2, even though non of them are found and maybe even non of them even exist. This way, every zero not on the line would give a harmonic with Re(s) greater than 1/2, thereby breaking the estimates for the prime counting function.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 09/03/2023 12:48:10


Quote
This video proves the Riemann hypothesis. Otherwise, you get a $10,000 reward. (M1)

In this short (4:33) video, you will see the proof of the Riemann Hypothesis. I will give you $10,000 If you provide a numeric counterexample showing the video fails to prove the Riemann Hypothesis. Also, please keep in mind that you can share this video to win the $10,000 cash reward. Please post your counterexample in the comments.

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Note that If your counterexample disproves Riemann's hypothesis, it will be your responsibility to document it before sharing it with anybody. I will try my best to protect your right, and I will not claim any ownership of your counterexample, and you will win the $10,000 cash reward regardless of any other prizes.
Just in case you have time to spare.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 09/03/2023 12:50:25
And here is the sequel.
Quote
RIEMANN HYPOTHESIS PROOF / SOLVED, 17584 VIEWS, 0 COUNTEREXAMPLE! (M2)
Over the years, hundreds of mathematical theories have been built upon the assumption that Riemann's last theorem is true. Therefore, considerable efforts have been made by several of the best mathematical minds around the world to protect the legitimacy of these theories. However, in this video we have finally proved this famous theorem that had resisted all efforts to be proven for over one and a half centuries.

Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 09/03/2023 13:08:08
Here is the start of the video series.
Quote
Step Zero of Analytic Continuation Gateway to the Riemann Hypothesis
Like origami art, where we can fold a paper to create a boat and then refold the same paper differently to build a totally different thing (for example, a bird), this simple video shows that we can unfold an infinite-divergence series (commonly known as Riemann's zeta function) and then refold it to get a finite value. It is fascinating to see unfolding a divergence function in 6 steps and then refolding the same function in 6 steps gives us a convergent function. This is the most elegant method to analytically continue Riemann's zeta function to the critical strip because it shows mathematics overlaps with art.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: Zer0 on 16/03/2023 23:05:20
What is this RH all about?

In Simplest of terms...
Is it finding a Pattern or Function that could precisely Predict the list of Prime Numbers?
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 17/03/2023 03:28:24
What is this RH all about?

In Simplest of terms...
Is it finding a Pattern or Function that could precisely Predict the list of Prime Numbers?

Quote
This formula says that the zeros of the Riemann zeta function control the oscillations of primes around their "expected" positions. Riemann knew that the non-trivial zeros of the zeta function were symmetrically distributed about the line s = 1/2 + it, and he knew that all of its non-trivial zeros must lie in the range 0 ≤ Re(s) ≤ 1. He checked that a few of the zeros lay on the critical line with real part 1/2 and suggested that they all do; this is the Riemann hypothesis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_hypothesis#Origin

Quote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_hypothesis#Consequences
The practical uses of the Riemann hypothesis include many propositions known to be true under the Riemann hypothesis, and some that can be shown to be equivalent to the Riemann hypothesis.


Some people argued that it won't be practically useful for calculating large prime numbers.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: Zer0 on 19/03/2023 00:18:48
So in simple words, there is No simple explanation for RH.
Okay.

If i Request a Mathematician to provide me with a list of Prime Numbers uptil 3 Million...

Would they use a pen & paper and take a year to do it?

Or would they use a calculator/computer and give answer in a day?

(Pls don't say they will search online & copy/paste & give a printout within minutes)
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 20/03/2023 04:43:15
(Pls don't say they will search online & copy/paste & give a printout within minutes)
It's likely what they will do.
Alternatively, they will just tell you to ask ChatGPT.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 22/03/2023 06:19:17
Has anyone noticed a peculiar thing around zeta(-41)?
The real part looks normal.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot%28%28zeta+%28x%29%29%29+from+-42+to+-40
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=33854)

But there's a peculiar jump in imaginary part, as seen in the plot below.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot%28im%28zeta+%28x%29%29%29+from+-42+to+-40
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=33856)
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: Zer0 on 22/03/2023 19:47:39
(Pls don't say they will search online & copy/paste & give a printout within minutes)
It's likely what they will do.
Alternatively, they will just tell you to ask ChatGPT.

You know what i was trying to Understand by asking that question was, is there an equation or function for getting Prime Numbers.

I'm supposing one can simply use the Calculator.
Or a simplified program in the Computer.
(by ways of checking each number like 1234567 etc & reaching the answer)

But...is there a Pattern to predict Primes without Calculations?
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: Eternal Student on 22/03/2023 23:28:14
Hi.

Post #43  About recommending video(s).

    They have no significant risk of needing to make the payment  - but there is a small question, let's call it a theory, as to whether they even had the intention of making the payment.   That's a question we may never know the answer to.  It is hard to prove and no more likely than the Riemann Hypothesis.

Best Wishes.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 23/03/2023 02:06:26
(Pls don't say they will search online & copy/paste & give a printout within minutes)
It's likely what they will do.
Alternatively, they will just tell you to ask ChatGPT.

You know what i was trying to Understand by asking that question was, is there an equation or function for getting Prime Numbers.

I'm supposing one can simply use the Calculator.
Or a simplified program in the Computer.
(by ways of checking each number like 1234567 etc & reaching the answer)

But...is there a Pattern to predict Primes without Calculations?
Have you watched this video?
I just found a great video about prime numbers I'd like to share here.

A Formula for the Primes: Willans' Formula
Quote
There is actually a formula for the nth prime number! One was cleverly engineered in 1964 by C. P. Willans. But is it useful?

# Python code

import math

def prime(n):
    return 1 + sum([
        math.floor(pow(n/sum([
            math.floor(pow(math.cos(math.pi * (math.factorial(j - 1) + 1)/j), 2))
            for j in range(1, i+1)
        ]), 1/n))
        for i in range(1, pow(2, n)+1)
    ])

--------------

(* Mathematica code *)

prime[n_] := 1 + Sum[Floor[(n/Sum[Floor[Cos[Pi ((j - 1)! + 1)/j]^2], {j, 1, i}])^(1/n)], {i, 1, 2^n}]

--------------

0:00 A formula for primes?
1:24 Engineering a prime detector
4:00 Improving the prime detector
5:46 Counting primes
6:29 Determining the nth prime
9:42 The final step
11:36 What counts as a formula?
12:56 What's the point?
13:51 Who was Willans?

Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 23/03/2023 08:14:44
Has anyone noticed a peculiar thing around zeta(-41)?
This is not the only jump found in zeta function. You can find the other numbers where the argument of zeta function switches value around negative odd integers. So far, the distribution of the jump looks random.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot%28arg%28zeta+%28x%29%29%29+from+-100+to+-0
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=33858;image)

You can also find jump in imaginary part of zeta(0)
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 23/03/2023 08:21:05
When a small imaginary number is added to the plot, we get different peculiarity.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot%28im%28zeta+%28x%2Bi%2F10e13%29%29%29+from+-42+to+-40
 (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=33860;image)
It is not clear yet if it's just an artefact caused by rounding error in the algorithm, or it's an inherent feature of Zeta function. Although, the first case seems to be more likely.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: Zer0 on 25/03/2023 18:36:33
I will check Internet & watch Videos & try my Best to Understand RH.
Until then, Peace Out!
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 26/03/2023 06:27:05
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbaA3qJlbE93DiTYMzl0XKnLn5df_QWqY
This YouTube playlist is a good starting point. A critical information there is about analytic continuation.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 04/04/2023 14:11:38
Riemann Hypothesis and zeta function interesting visualization on x-axis
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 30/04/2023 06:46:15
Just found another YouTube channel who made exciting math videos. Some materials here may be helpful to our understanding of Riemann zeta function.

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The harmonic numbers are the partial sums of the harmonic series - sums of whole number reciprocals. This video explores how we can extend their domain to the entire real line.


This is my entry for the Summer of Math Exposition 1.

00:00 - Intro
1:45 - Graphing the Harmonic Numbers
2:47 - A Recursive Formula
4:23 - Using the Recursive Formula
7:33 - The Super Recursive Formula
8:52 - Finding the Interval
11:27 - Example: H(0.5)
11:59 - Deriving the Solution
13:10 - Graphing the Solution
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 30/04/2023 06:56:55
Here's the next video.
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In this video, I walk through the derivation of an extension of the factorial function that works for any number: fractional, irrational, and even complex! This turns out to be a very important function, known as the gamma function, which has many surprising connections, one of which I explore in the last chapter of the video.

Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:38 A few Disclaimers
3:58 The Recursive Formula
6:50 The Super Recursive Formula
8:45 A minor setback
10:28 Logarithms
15:21 Deriving the Solution
19:26 Our Constraints
20:25 History and Conventions
22:16 The Miracle
25:44 The End
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 30/04/2023 07:02:25
Gamma function somehow appears in the analytic continuation of Zeta function. This video explores its connections with other functions.


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In this video, we build on my last two videos by exploring connections between the gamma function (the extended factorials), the digamma function (the extended harmonic numbers), and trigonometry. We derive Euler's Sine Product Formula, which we then use to prove the gamma and digamma functions' reflection formulas. Finally, we derive a related formula for calculating cotangent.

Chapters:
00:00 Intro
0:43 Background and Notation
3:24 The Digamma-Cotangent Connection
5:09 The Gamma-Sine Connection
6:04 The Sine Product Formula
9:59 Proving the Gamma-Sine Connection
12:22 The value of (1/2)!
13:07 Proving the Digamma-Cotangent Connection
14:21 The True Logarithmic Derivative
15:52 An Infinite Sum for Cotangent
17:46 Final Thoughts
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 18/05/2023 17:08:43
When Riemann zeta function produces 0 result, ζ(s) = 0, at least one of these terms is 0
1) 2s  = 0 →  s = -∞
2) πs-1  = 0 →  s = -∞
3) sin(πs/2).Γ(1-s) = 0  →  s ∈ {negative even numbers}
4) ζ(1-s) = 0 = ζ(s)

Point #3 gives trivial zeros, while point #4 gives non-trivial zeros.
when 1-s=s  → 1=2s  →  s=0.5
But  ζ(0.5) <> 0
Since  ζ(s)* = ζ(s*)
When ζ(s) = 0, ζ(s*) = 0* = 0,
point #4 gives non-trivial zeros.
when 1-s=s*  → 1=s+s*   
→  s = 0.5 + iy
1-s=s* can only be achieved when real part of s = 0.5
Disproving Riemann's hypothesis implies that
non-trivial zero of zeta function can exist not on critical line, which implies that
ζ(s) can be 0 in critical stripe while Re(s) <> 0.5 , which also implies that
1-s <> s* while ζ(s) = 0 = ζ(1-s) = ζ(s*) = ζ(1-s*)
Proving Riemann's hypothesis means demonstrating that those implications lead to contradiction.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 23/05/2023 22:21:09
ζ(s) + ζ(1-s*)=0
ζ(s) - ζ(1-s*)=0
Let's plot those equations with values of s where the real part is 0.5.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28zeta%280.5%2Bis%29+%2Bzeta%280.5-is%29%29+from+0+to+30
In this plot, all the imaginary part of zeta function is always zero.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28zeta%280.5%2Bis%29+-zeta%280.5-is%29%29+from+0+to+30
In this plot, all the real part of zeta function is always zero.

Compare them with values of s where the real part is other than 0.5.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28zeta%280.7%2Bis%29+%2Bzeta%280.3-is%29%29+from+0+to+30
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28zeta%280.7%2Bis%29+-zeta%280.3-is%29%29+from+0+to+30

Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 23/05/2023 22:34:47
Let's focus on the imaginary part of the addition equation.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+im%28zeta%280.5%2Bis%29+%2B+zeta%280.5-is%29%29+from+0+to+30
And the real part of the subtraction equation.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28zeta%280.5%2Bis%29+-+zeta%280.5-is%29%29+from+0+to+30
They are always zero.

Compare them to the value of s where the real part is slightly different from 0.5.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+im%28zeta%280.5001%2Bis%29+%2B+zeta%280.4999-is%29%29+from+0+to+30

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28zeta%280.5001%2Bis%29+-+zeta%280.4999-is%29%29+from+0+to+30

These results have implications that there are infinitely many more zeta zeros where the real part is 0.5, compared to other values. Although they haven't guaranteed that there's no non-trivial zeta zero other than those on the critical line.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: Eternal Student on 24/05/2023 11:59:19
Hi.

I don't know if you've noticed but some of the old posts are going wrong.
Example:   Examine the section in quotes in post #39:

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Presumably you once had an apostrophe but it's changed to an accented letter a,  one Euro currency symbol and finally a Trade Mark symbol.

Sometimes pictures or diagrams just go missing.   If there were any mathematical symbols produced with LaTeX coding, then they've almost certainly gone.   Overall the forum is having a problem  (see other discussions like https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=70438.msg705025#msg705025 about a server migration due to excessive costs).   There's no guarantee of anything in this thread (or any other) being safely stored or maintained in a way capable of being read by someone else in the future.   
    I'm not staff but I just thought you might like to be aware of the problem.

Best Wishes.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: Zer0 on 29/05/2023 22:16:03
When we click on our own Nickname...
It takes us to the Account info & summary page..
Within the ' Modify Profile ' tab, the last option is listed as ' Export Data ' .

Never tried it, but assuming it does what it says.
Perhaps a way to Copy all your own Posts n save them in some other place.

Anyways, all We need is some land n some water n a lil sunshine, the garden will grow back & flowers shall blossom again.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 30/12/2023 09:13:15
Just found another video trying to proof Riemann's Hypothesis.
A Chilling Proof Involving the Trivial Zeros of the Riemann Zeta Function
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What if you could group the trivial zeros of the Riemann zeta function with any hypothetical non-trivial zero off the critical line.  And what if this group could not exist within the critical strip?  Wouldn't this proof that the Riemann hypothesis is correct?

It's part of a video series by the same author.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA1Ma8q5auD8wPaJ53aL0u4W61SQ4IBUl&pp=iAQB
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: alancalverd on 30/12/2023 16:30:19
Bit of an aside:

But...is there a Pattern to predict Primes without Calculations?

No. But there is a formal proof (which I don't have) that there is no pattern to prime numbers!

Intuitively, as N increases, there are more integers less than √N that could be factors of N, so primes get sparser as you search for them, hence the need for some hefty computing to find large primes by brute force.   
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 02/02/2024 14:23:44
When a small imaginary number is added to the plot, we get different peculiarity.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot%28im%28zeta+%28x%2Bi%2F10e13%29%29%29+from+-42+to+-40
 (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=33860;image)
It is not clear yet if it's just an artefact caused by rounding error in the algorithm, or it's an inherent feature of Zeta function. Although, the first case seems to be more likely.
I'm now pretty sure that the jiggy curve is caused by truncated calculations of the numeric method.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 04/02/2024 09:56:32
Someone thinks that he might have solved the problem
It seems like he has realized his mistake.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 04/02/2024 10:30:36
Riemann's hypothesis can be proven by showing that ζ(s) - ζ(1-s*) = 0 if and only if s=1-s*, which implies that Re(s)=1/2
We can construct an equation
 α=( Ιζ(s)Ι - Ιζ(1-s*)Ι )/(s-1+s*)
If RH is true, α is never zero with any finite value of s.
Because on critical line the denominator is 0.

If ω=1/α, then RH implies that ω is always finite.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 10/02/2024 22:15:20
There are some implications that must occur in case of non-trivial zero of Zeta function outside of the critical line. For brevity, I'll call them exceptional zero. Riemann hypothesis basically said that they don't exist.
For the sake of the argument, let's first assume that they exist. For every exceptional zero, there are normal zero slightly above and below it in the complex number plane.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 13/02/2024 11:23:23
I asked Google Gemini.
Why it's said that "The functional equation also implies that the zeta function has no zeros with negative real part other than the trivial zeros"?

It answered.
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The statement "The functional equation also implies that the zeta function has no zeros with negative real part other than the trivial zeros" is true, but understanding why requires some familiarity with complex analysis and the properties of the Riemann zeta function. Here's a breakdown:

1. What is the Riemann zeta function?

The Riemann zeta function, denoted by ζ(s), is a function defined for complex numbers 's' (except for 's = 1'). It plays a crucial role in understanding prime numbers and other important areas of mathematics.

2. What are the trivial zeros?

The zeta function has some "obvious" zeros, called trivial zeros, at negative even integers (-2, -4, -6, etc.). These occur because the series definition of the zeta function diverges at these points.

3. What is the functional equation?

The functional equation is a powerful relationship between the zeta function at 's' and its value at 1 - s. It essentially "mirrors" the behavior of the function across the line Re(s) = 1/2 (where Re(s) denotes the real part of 's').

4. How does the functional equation imply no zeros with negative real parts?

Suppose ζ(s) had a non-trivial zero with a negative real part, say at s = -a (where a is positive). By the functional equation, this would imply another zero at s = 1 + a, which has a positive real part.

However, we know that the zeta function only diverges at negative even integers, and it is non-zero for all other positive real values. Therefore, a zero at 1 + a would contradict this property.

This contradiction arises because having a zero with a negative real part essentially "unpairs" the relationship between s and 1 - s through the functional equation. Since such "unpairing" leads to inconsistencies, it follows that such zeros cannot exist.

5. Important note:
This explanation necessarily simplifies a complex mathematical argument. For a rigorous understanding, deeper knowledge of complex analysis and the properties of the zeta function is required.

It used proof from contradiction. IMO, Riemann hypothesis will also be proven in similar fashion.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 13/02/2024 11:30:29
I followed up with a question. Is there zero of Zeta function with real part greater than 1/2?
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No, there are no zeros of the Riemann zeta function with real part greater than 1/2. This is a known result in mathematics, but with two levels of "known":

Level 1: Proven results:

For Re(s) > 1: We can prove using the Euler product formula that the zeta function is never zero in this region.
For Re(s) = 1: While not as simple as the first point, it has also been proven that the zeta function does not have any zeros on the line Re(s) = 1.

Level 2: Unsolved but highly likely:
The Riemann Hypothesis: This famous conjecture posits that all non-trivial zeros of the zeta function lie on the "critical line" where Re(s) = 1/2. Although unproven, it is widely believed to be true based on extensive numerical calculations and theoretical evidence.

In conclusion, with high confidence, we can say that there are no zeros of the Riemann zeta function with real part greater than 1/2. If you're interested in learning more about the zeta function and its zeros, I can provide further information or point you towards relevant resources.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 15/03/2024 12:07:46
I'd like to introduce a function, which I call Y function, just because that's how its plot look like in complex plane. It can also called upsilon function, just to sound more geeky. It's defined as follow:
Y(s)=ln{ζ(s) - ζ(1-s*)}

plot (ln((zeta(s+30*i)) - (Zeta(1-s+30*i))) )from -2 to 3
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28ln%28%28zeta%28s%2B30.i%29%29+-+%28Zeta%281-s%2B30.i%29%29%29+%29from+-2+to+3
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=34274)

plot (ln((zeta(s+30*i)) - (Zeta(1-s+30*i))) )from -22 to 23
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28ln%28%28zeta%28s%2B30.i%29%29+-+%28Zeta%281-s%2B30.i%29%29%29+%29from+-22+to+23
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=34276)

This function was inspired by
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Riemann knew that the non-trivial zeros of the zeta function were symmetrically distributed about the line s = 1/2 + it, and he knew that all of its non-trivial zeros must lie in the range 0 ≤ Re(s) ≤ 1. He checked that a few of the zeros lay on the critical line with real part 1/2 and suggested that they all do; this is the Riemann hypothesis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_hypothesis
1-s* is the formula reflecting point s with respect to critical line x=1/2.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 15/03/2024 12:27:17
For every non-trivial zero,
ζ(s)=0
ζ(1-s*)=0
ζ(s) - ζ(1-s*) = 0

when the difference is plotted, the curve is hard to comprehend.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28%28%28zeta%28s%2B30.i%29%29+-+%28Zeta%281-s%2B30.i%29%29%29+%29from+-22+to+23
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=34288)


But when logarithmic function is applied to that difference, a simple pattern shows up.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28ln%28%28zeta%28s%2B30.i%29%29+-+%28Zeta%281-s%2B30.i%29%29%29+%29from+-22+to+23
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=34290)
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 15/03/2024 12:38:22
Here are some interesting facts about the function:
when s is real, we get a different shape with many discontinuities.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28ln%28%28zeta%28s%29%29+-+%28Zeta%281-s%29%29%29+%29from+-22+to+23
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=34278)

when imaginary part of s is more than 0, the discontinuities disappear, except at re(s)=1/2
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28ln%28%28zeta%28s%2Bi%2F2%29%29+-+%28Zeta%281-s%2Bi%2F2%29%29%29+%29from+-22+to+23
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=34280)

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28ln%28%28zeta%28s%2Bi%29%29+-+%28Zeta%281-s%2Bi%29%29%29+%29from+-22+to+23
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=34282)

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28ln%28%28zeta%28s%2B4.i%29%29+-+%28Zeta%281-s%2B4.i%29%29%29+%29from+-22+to+23
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=34284)

when imaginary part of s is more than 6, the curve of real part only crosses x axis twice.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28ln%28%28zeta%28s%2B6.i%29%29+-+%28Zeta%281-s%2B6.i%29%29%29+%29from+-22+to+23
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=34286)
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 15/03/2024 12:47:56
when imaginary part of s is close to the smallest non-trivial zero of Riemann's zeta function
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28ln%28%28zeta%28s%2B14.134725+i%29%29+-+%28Zeta%281-s%2B14.134725+i%29%29%29+%29from+-22+to+23
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=34292)

Any larger value for the imaginary part of s don't change shape of the real part of Y function, only the imaginary part gets longer period.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28ln%28%28zeta%28s%2B114.134725+i%29%29+-+%28Zeta%281-s%2B114.134725+i%29%29%29+%29from+-22+to+23
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=34294)
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 15/03/2024 12:52:10
Rejecting Riemann's hypothesis would require the Y function to behave irregularly for some values of s with high imaginary part (higher than 10 trillion), which clearly violates the pattern shown above.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 15/03/2024 13:29:00
For every nontrivial zero of Zeta function, ζ(s) =0,
Re(Y(s)) = - ~  (negative infinity)
Im(Y(s) = undefined (due to switching between two different, discontinuous values)
The plot of Y function suggests that those conditions can only be satisfied where Re(s) = 1/2, as Riemann predicted.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 15/03/2024 16:49:20
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%7Czeta%281%2F2+%2B+s.+i%29%7C+from+0+to+30
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=34296)


https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%7Czeta%281%2F2+%2B+s.+i%29%7C+from+1000+to+1030
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=34298)

The plots above show that at higher imaginary part of s, the density of Zeta zero is higher. It reduces the space for anomalous zero. Thus the higher the imaginary part, the less likely we can find anomalous zero of Zeta function. It provides a stronger indication that Riemann's hypothesis is true.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 19/03/2024 07:26:28
It's now considered an established fact that non-trivial zero of Riemann's Zeta function cannot occur when Re(s)<0, or Re(s)>1, So we can ignore these area.

So far, all known non-trivial zero lie on critical line, Re(s)=1/2, up to |Im(s)|≈10^36
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=34300)
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=34302)

The shape of Y function is maintained no matter how big the imaginary part of its input. It supports the Riemann's hypothesis.

Unfortunately WolframAlpha refuses to plot the Y function for Im(s)>10^10
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 26/03/2024 10:11:59
I'd like to introduce a function, which I call Y function, just because that's how its plot look like in complex plane. It can also called upsilon function, just to sound more geeky. It's defined as follow:
Y(s)=ln{ζ(s) - ζ(1-s*)}
I played around with this Y function, and found something interesting when 1 in the formula is replaced with other numbers. The plot looks simpler when s has high imaginary part.
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=34306)
This is the base case of Y function.

Next, the formula is modified by replacing 1 with another number, which I call m for mirroring constant. The mirror position is half of m, which can be conveniently called n. In the example below, m=40, hence n=20.
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=34308)

The value of m can also be negative.
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=34310)

The plot shows that when m is positive, the plot looks like it consists of straight lines which bent around the point of origin and point of mirroring. On the other hand, when m is negative, the bent is located only at the point of mirroring.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 26/03/2024 10:38:35
When m=0, the plot is symmetrical around y axis. The higher the imaginary part of s, the curve gets more straightened.
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=34312)

When m is small, then the bending doesn't not look that sharp.
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=34314)

When m =1, the low slope part isn't visible.
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=34316)
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 30/04/2024 23:07:15
An important feature of the original Y function related to Riemann zeta function is the abrupt change of its imaginary part at reflection line/critical line. Other abrupt changes occur far away from critical strip.

When m =1, the low slope part isn't visible.
I played around with this Y function, and found something interesting when 1 in the formula is replaced with other numbers. The plot looks simpler when s has high imaginary part.
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=34306)
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 01/05/2024 05:35:30
Let's switch our attention to the imaginary part of Y function. At reflection line, the imaginary part abruptly changes by pi, but anywhere else, it changes by 2 pi, ie. it switches between positive and negative pi. These results are easier to understand by plotting the Y function in 3D to show its circular nature.
In polar coordinate, point at (r, pi) coincides with point at (r, -pi). While point at (r, theta) has the opposite direction from point at (r, theta +/- pi). It means that if a straight line is drawn between them, it crosses the origin.

If you wonder how logarithmic function works on a complex number.
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The logarithm of a complex number z=log(r*e^(iθ)) is condensed as log(z)=log(r)+iθ, where r is the absolute value of z and θ is the argument of z. It is represented in polar coordinates.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 01/05/2024 05:54:12
when imaginary part of s is close to the smallest non-trivial zero of Riemann's zeta function
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28ln%28%28zeta%28s%2B14.134725+i%29%29+-+%28Zeta%281-s%2B14.134725+i%29%29%29+%29from+-22+to+23
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=34292)

Any larger value for the imaginary part of s don't change shape of the real part of Y function, only the imaginary part gets longer period.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28ln%28%28zeta%28s%2B114.134725+i%29%29+-+%28Zeta%281-s%2B114.134725+i%29%29%29+%29from+-22+to+23
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=34294)
Another trend is that at larger value of Re(s), imaginary part of Y function has smaller period.

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+im%28log%28zeta%28x-125i%29-Zeta%281-x-125i%29%29%29from+1000+to+1040
Compared to
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+im%28log%28zeta%28x-125i%29-Zeta%281-x-125i%29%29%29from+100+to+140

It means that close to reflection line, imaginary part of Y function has largest period. It makes violation of Riemann hypothesis less likely.

It seems like Zeta function has more regularity than some of us might think.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 01/05/2024 09:54:43
Why greatest Mathematicians are not trying to prove Riemann Hypothesis?

Now we have tools like Wolfram Alpha and generative AI models which makes math more accessible to laypersons.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 04/05/2024 15:15:43
I think I have enough materials to make my own YouTube video on Riemann's hypothesis. While looking for free animations about it on Google, I found one that links to this video from quanta magazine.
Riemann Hypothesis, Explained
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The Riemann Hypothesis is the most notorious unsolved problem in all of mathematics. Ever since it was first proposed by Bernhard Riemann in 1859, the conjecture has maintained the status of the "Holy Grail" of mathematics. In fact, the person who solves it will win a $1 million prize from the Clay Institute of Mathematics. So, what is the Riemann hypothesis? Why is it so important? What can it tell us about the chaotic universe of prime numbers? And why is its proof so elusive? Alex Kontorovich, professor of mathematics at Rutgers University, breaks it all down in this comprehensive explainer.


00:00 A glimpse into the mystery of the Riemann Hypothesis
01:42 The world of prime numbers
02:30 Carl Friedrich Gauss looks for primes, Prime Counting Function
03:30 Logarithm Function and Gauss's Conjecture
04:39 Leonard Euler and infinite series
06:30 Euler and the Zeta Function
07:30 Bernhard Riemann enters the prime number picture
08:18 Imaginary and complex numbers
09:40 Complex Analysis and the Zeta Function
10:25 Analytic Continuation: two functions at work at once
11:14 Zeta Zeros and the critical strip
12:20 The critical line
12:51 Why the Riemann's Hypothesis has a profound consequence to number theory
13:04 Riemann's Hypothesis shows the distribution of prime numbers can be predicted
14:59 The search for a proof of the Riemann Hypothesis

Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 04/05/2024 17:33:56
Another result I got from searching.
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Why is the Riemann Hypothesis hard? Just one reason (of very many): it's not an analytic question. Here are the values of zeta on the 1/2-line (where at least 40% of the zeros are, all should be) and the 4/5-line, where none should be. The latter gets arbitrarily close to 0, i.o.

https://www.johndcook.com/blog/2019/11/29/near-zeros-of-zeta/
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 05/05/2024 06:12:36
Here's a modification from Y function, by using division instead of subtraction.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+log%28%28zeta%28x%2B550.01i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-x%2B550.01i%29%29%29from+-20+to+21
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+log%28%28zeta%28x%2B550.01i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-x%2B550.01i%29%29%29from+0+to+1
Let's call it backslash function, for how it looks like. Note that at Re(s) =0.5, the value of backslash function is 0. It implies that zeta(s)=zeta(1-s*) at that point.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 08/05/2024 16:20:43
I'm trying to explore using these Y function and backslash function as visual proof for Riemann's hypothesis.
To be useful, a proof necessarily lies on the borderline between order and chaos. It reminds me of a famous quote.
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Any idiot can build a bridge that stands, but it takes an engineer to build a bridge that barely stands.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 08/05/2024 22:49:02
The proof can start from this implication.
when ζ(1-s)=0 → ζ(s)=0, ζ(s*)=0,  ζ(1-s*)=0
The sum and difference among those terms must also equal 0

If the plot is too orderly, it can't show non-trivial information, like in these plots.
Let's focus on the imaginary part of the addition equation.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+im%28zeta%280.5%2Bis%29+%2B+zeta%280.5-is%29%29+from+0+to+30
And the real part of the subtraction equation.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28zeta%280.5%2Bis%29+-+zeta%280.5-is%29%29+from+0+to+30
They are always zero.

But if they are too chaotic, no pattern can be extracted.
Compare them to the value of s where the real part is slightly different from 0.5.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+im%28zeta%280.5001%2Bis%29+%2B+zeta%280.4999-is%29%29+from+0+to+30

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28zeta%280.5001%2Bis%29+-+zeta%280.4999-is%29%29+from+0+to+30
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 09/05/2024 02:11:29
Another result I got from searching.
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Why is the Riemann Hypothesis hard? Just one reason (of very many): it's not an analytic question. Here are the values of zeta on the 1/2-line (where at least 40% of the zeros are, all should be) and the 4/5-line, where none should be. The latter gets arbitrarily close to 0, i.o.

https://www.johndcook.com/blog/2019/11/29/near-zeros-of-zeta/
Most previous works tried to find patterns in the plot of Zeta function on imaginary axis.

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%7Czeta%281%2F2+%2B+s.+i%29%7C+from+0+to+30
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=34296)


https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%7Czeta%281%2F2+%2B+s.+i%29%7C+from+1000+to+1030
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85052.0;attach=34298)

The plots above show that at higher imaginary part of s, the density of Zeta zero is higher. It reduces the space for anomalous zero. Thus the higher the imaginary part, the less likely we can find anomalous zero of Zeta function. It provides a stronger indication that Riemann's hypothesis is true.
But they are too chaotic to collect useful patterns or information.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 09/05/2024 02:26:33
At first, plotting the difference of zeta function and its reflection by the critical line on real axis doesn't seem to show simple and convincing patterns.

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28++%28zeta%28x%2B0.00i%29%29+-++%28Zeta%281-x%2B0.00i%29%29%29from+-30+to+31

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28++%28zeta%28x%2B20.00i%29%29+-++%28Zeta%281-x%2B20.00i%29%29%29from+-30+to+31

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28++%28zeta%28x%2B2000.00i%29%29+-++%28Zeta%281-x%2B2000.00i%29%29%29from+-30+to+31

But if logarithmic function is applied, the patterns emerge.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+log%28++%28zeta%28x%2B0.00i%29%29+-+%28Zeta%281-x%2B0.00i%29%29%29from+-30+to+31

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+log%28++%28zeta%28x%2B20.00i%29%29+-+%28Zeta%281-x%2B20.00i%29%29%29from+-30+to+31

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+log%28++%28zeta%28x%2B2000.00i%29%29+-+%28Zeta%281-x%2B2000.00i%29%29%29from+-30+to+31
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 09/05/2024 09:12:27
We need to be aware of numerical artefacts of computer generated images, like this ones.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+log%28++%28zeta%28x%2B0.00i%29%29+-+%28Zeta%281-x%2B0.00i%29%29%29from+-30+to+31
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+im%28++%28zeta%28x%2B0.00i%29%29+-+%28Zeta%281-x%2B0.00i%29%29%29from+-56+to+-46
It seems like they come from rounding errors, especially when adding extremely large numbers and extremely small numbers.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 09/05/2024 10:19:13
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The Riemann zeta function ζ(s) is a function whose argument s may be any complex number other than 1, and whose values are also complex. It has zeros at the negative even integers; that is, ζ(s) = 0 when s is one of −2, −4, −6, .... These are called its trivial zeros. The zeta function is also zero for other values of s, which are called nontrivial zeros.

The Riemann hypothesis is concerned with the locations of these nontrivial zeros, and states that:
The real part of every nontrivial zero of the Riemann zeta function is 1/2
Thus, if the hypothesis is correct, all the nontrivial zeros lie on the critical line consisting of the complex numbers 1/2 + i t, where t is a real number and i is the imaginary unit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_hypothesis
The equivalent statement for the trivial zero is:
The imaginary part of every trivial zero of the Riemann zeta function is 0
The trivial zeros of the Riemann zeta function don't seem to attract much attention because they don't seem to be related to prime numbers. They don't seem to contain elements of "surprise".
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 09/05/2024 17:32:28
Y function shows that in the critical strip, Zeta (s) can only equal to Zeta (1-s*), ie it's reflection by the critical line, if Re(s) =1/2, which means they are both occupy the same spot on the critical line.
On the other hand, violations of Riemann's hypothesis require zero out of the critical line. It implies that Zeta (s) can equal to zero, and equal to Zeta (1-s*) while not occupying the same point. It's in direct contradiction with the property of Y function.
Whenever two statements contradict each other, at least one of them must be false. If they are complementary to each other, ie. there's no third option, then one must be true, and the other false.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 10/05/2024 16:41:57
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/Riemann_Explicit_Formula.gif)
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Corrections to an estimate of the prime-counting function using zeros of the zeta function. The magnitude of the correction term is determined by the real part of the zero being added in the correction.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_hypothesis
Instead of real part, it should say imaginer part.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 10/05/2024 16:52:03
I just found another great video about Riemann's hypothesis.
The Dream: Riemann Hypothesis and F1 (RH Saga S1E1)
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This is the first episode of the RH Saga.

We embark on a journey into the world of L-functions, by introducing the Riemann Hypothesis and the dream of a new geometry over the "field with one element".

The aim of RH Saga Season 1 is to map the landscape of L-functions, as a foundation for future in-depth exploration of some of the most immortal math problems of all time.

This video is part of a PeakMath course. Join the journey at https://www.peakmath.org/

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Chapters:

00:00 - Introduction to the RH Saga
01:50 - Introduction to Episode 1: The Dream
03:17 - Chapter 1: Intro to F1
07:58 - Summary of Chapter 1
09:26 - Chapter 2: Recap of RH
18:46 - Chapter 3: Proof of RH?
21:40 - Summary of Chapter 3
Links:

1. "Numbers as Functions" - Yuri Manin
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1312.5160.pdf

2. "Riemann's Hypothesis" - Brian Conrey
https://tinyurl.com/conrey90

3. SageMathCell
https://sagecell.sagemath.org/

4. SageMath
https://www.sagemath.org/

5. SageMathCell permalink for Riemann spectrum code
https://tinyurl.com/e1-spectrum

6. SageMathCell permalink for cosine waves code
https://tinyurl.com/e1-cosine

Errata:

Around 6:44: Just to clarify - the "fractional Gamma value" \Gamma(p/q) may not be a period in itself, but \Gamma(p/q)^q is certainly a period.

Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 11/05/2024 01:19:45
After watching a video about elliptic curve, I suspected that trivial zeros of Zeta function must somehow be related to non-trivial zeros. This video shows how they are related.
The Generalized Riemann Hypothesis (RH Saga S1E3)
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This is the third episode of the RH Saga.

We continue our journey by considering the zeros of L-functions beyond the Riemann zeta function. The location of these zeros is the subject of the generalized Riemann hypothesis. The story of these zeros also give a first indication of the general relationship between prime numbers and L-functions.

The overall aim of RH Saga Season 1 is to map the landscape of L-functions, as a foundation for future in-depth exploration of some of the most immortal math problems of all time.


Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
02:00 - Review of examples
05:04 - Analytic continuation
12:39 - Zeros in the critical strip
16:44 - Cosine waves
21:35 - Final remarks

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Links:

1. LMFDB
https://www.lmfdb.org/


2. "The Music of the Primes" on Amazon UK:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Music-Primes...

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Errata:

The integral written at approx. 11:00 has a slight mistake. Instead of the number 2, the variable s should be used inside the sine function in the integrand. Correction displayed on screen at 11:20.

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Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 11/05/2024 02:01:46
Here's the description of Riemann Hypothesis by Clay Mathematics Institute

https://www.claymath.org/millennium/riemann-hypothesis/
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Riemann Hypothesis
The prime number theorem determines the average distribution of the primes. The Riemann hypothesis tells us about the deviation from the average. Formulated in Riemann?s 1859 paper, it asserts that all the ?non-obvious? zeros of the zeta function are complex numbers with real part 1/2.
(https://www.claymath.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/riemann_1859_a_0.jpg)
Some numbers have the special property that they cannot be expressed as the product of two smaller numbers, e.g., 2, 3, 5, 7, etc. Such numbers are called prime numbers, and they play an important role, both in pure mathematics and its applications. The distribution of such prime numbers among all natural numbers does not follow any regular pattern.  However, the German mathematician G.F.B. Riemann (1826 ? 1866) observed that the frequency of prime numbers is very closely related to the behavior of an elaborate function ζ(s) = 1 + 1/2s + 1/3s + 1/4s + ?  called the Riemann Zeta function. The Riemann hypothesis asserts that all interesting solutions of the equation ζ(s) = 0 lie on a certain vertical straight line.

This has been checked for the first 10,000,000,000,000 solutions. A proof that it is true for every interesting solution would shed light on many of the mysteries surrounding the distribution of prime numbers.
Interestingly, it says nothing about analytic continuation. Although it provides a link to Official Problem Description by E. Bombieri https://www.claymath.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/riemann.pdf


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All this leads to several basic questions.
Is there a theory in the global case, playing the same role as cohomology does
for Zeta functions of varieties over a field of positive characteristic? Is there an
analogue of a Frobenius automorphism in the classical case? Is there a general
index theorem by which one can prove the classical Riemann hypothesis? We are

here in the realm of conjectures and speculation. In the adelic setting propounded
by Tate and Weil, the papers [Conn], [Den], [Hara] offer glimpses of a possible setup
for these basic problems.
On the other hand, there are L-functions, such as those attached to Maass
waveforms, which do not seem to originate from geometry and for which we still
expect a Riemann hypothesis to be valid. For them, we do not have algebraic and
geometric models to guide our thinking, and entirely new ideas may be needed to
study these intriguing objects.

Problems of the Millennium: the Riemann Hypothesis
E. Bombieri

Riemann's 1859 Manuscript  https://www.claymath.org/collections/riemanns-1859-manuscript/

https://www.claymath.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Wilkins-translation.pdf
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 11/05/2024 02:16:55
Here's the Rules for the Millennium Prize Problems:
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https://www.claymath.org/millennium-problems/rules/

Rules for the Millennium Prize Problems
The revised rules for the Millennium Prize Problems were adopted by the Board of Directors of the Clay Mathematics Institute on 26 September, 2018.

Please read this document carefully before contacting CMI about a proposed solution.  In particular, please note that:

CMI does not accept direct submission of proposed solutions.
The document is a complete statement of the rules and procedures: CMI will not offer any futher guidance or advice.
Before CMI will consider a proposed solution, all three of the following conditions must be satisfied: (i) the proposed solution must be published in a Qualifying Outlet (see ?6), and (ii) at least two years must have passed since publication, and (iii) the proposed solution must have received general acceptance in the global mathematics community

https://www.claymath.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/millennium_prize_rules_0.pdf
The rules document is only 4 pages long, but there are 15 words of "discretion" in it already. It also seems to rely heavily on the consensus in the global mathematics community.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 11/05/2024 02:40:21
Here are some interesting results which might be useful in solving the problem.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_zeta_function#Riemann's_functional_equation

This zeta function satisfies the functional equation
(https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/a4c33a4fef2cb6271b95028cf7a012d2c0d0ec00)
where Γ(s) is the gamma function. This is an equality of meromorphic functions valid on the whole complex plane. The equation relates values of the Riemann zeta function at the points s and 1 − s, in particular relating even positive integers with odd negative integers. Owing to the zeros of the sine function, the functional equation implies that ζ(s) has a simple zero at each even negative integer s = −2n, known as the trivial zeros of ζ(s). When s is an even positive integer, the product sin(πs/2)Γ(1 − s) on the right is non-zero because Γ(1 − s) has a simple pole, which cancels the simple zero of the sine factor.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_zeta_function#Other_results
The fact that
(https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/d8b09034e8f5f6df4406385816e4a6f7109e19cc)
for all complex s ≠ 1 implies that the zeros of the Riemann zeta function are symmetric about the real axis. Combining this symmetry with the functional equation, furthermore, one sees that the non-trivial zeros are symmetric about the critical line Re(s) = ½

It is also known that no zeros lie on a line with real part 1.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_hypothesis#Zeros_on_the_critical_line
Hardy (1914) and Hardy & Littlewood (1921) showed there are infinitely many zeros on the critical line, by considering moments of certain functions related to the zeta function. Selberg (1942) proved that at least a (small) positive proportion of zeros lie on the line. Levinson (1974) improved this to one-third of the zeros by relating the zeros of the zeta function to those of its derivative, and Conrey (1989) improved this further to two-fifths. In 2020, this estimate was extended to five-twelfths by Pratt, Robles, Zaharescu and Zeindler[22] by considering extended mollifiers that can accommodate higher order derivatives of the zeta function and their associated Kloosterman sums.

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https://mathworld.wolfram.com/RiemannHypothesis.html
 It is known that the zeros are symmetrically placed about the line I(s)=0. This follows from the fact that, for all complex numbers s,

1. s and the complex conjugate s* are symmetrically placed about this line.

2. From the definition (1), the Riemann zeta function satisfies zeta(s*)=zeta(s)*, so that if s is a zero, so is s*, since then zeta(s*)=zeta(s)*=0*=0.

It is also known that the nontrivial zeros are symmetrically placed about the critical line R(s)=1/2, a result which follows from the functional equation and the symmetry about the line I(s)=0. For if s is a nontrivial zero, then 1-s is also a zero (by the functional equation), and then 1-s* is another zero. But s and 1-s* are symmetrically placed about the line R(s)=1/2, since 1-(x+iy)*=(1-x)+iy, and if x=1/2+x', then 1-x=1/2-x'.

From above results, it can be inferred that for any point in the critical strip,
ζ(s*)=ζ(1-s) if and only if s is in critical line,
where s*=complex conjugate of s.

After consulting with Gemini, it becomes obvious for me that Riemann's functional equation plays an important role to convince that all trivial zeros of Riemann's Zeta function lie on the real line, ie. their imaginary part is zero. I suspect that the same functional equation can somehow convincingly show that all non-trivial zeros of Riemann's Zeta function lie on the critical line, ie. their real part is 1/2.
Let's modify the equation so that all the s terms are on the left side, while on the right side only contains 1-s terms.
Zeta(s) * (1/2)^s / sin(s*pi/2) = Zeta(1-s) * (1/pi)^(1-s)* Gamma(1-s)
if $=1-s, then
Zeta(s) * (1/2)^s / sin(s*pi/2) = Zeta($) * (1/pi)^$ * Gamma($)

The equation becomes similar with 3 parts. The first part is the Zeta function. The second part is exponential function with a constant as the base. The third part is an accompanying function, in this case a division by sine function on the left, and a Gamma function on the right.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 11/05/2024 03:27:58
For every nontrivial zero of Zeta function, ζ(s) =0,
Re(Y(s)) = - ~  (negative infinity)
Im(Y(s) = undefined (due to switching between two different, discontinuous values)
The plot of Y function suggests that those conditions can only be satisfied where Re(s) = 1/2, as Riemann predicted.
(https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/a4c33a4fef2cb6271b95028cf7a012d2c0d0ec00)
The trivial zeros of Riemann's Zeta function are entirely defined by the sine function in the functional equation. Zeros on non-negative integers are canceled by the simple poles of the Gamma function.

As far as I know, no one has ever disputed the position of trivial zeros of Riemann's Zeta function. It's a consensus that they are all lie on the real line. Although in a sense, the argumentative basis for placing them on the real line is not so obvious. If the Gamma function can cancel out the trivial zeros on non-negative even integers, why can't they be shifted from the real line by one or more of the terms in the functional equation?
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 11/05/2024 14:27:01
At this point, it should be obvious that direct attack on the problem is impossible.

But it doesn't stop us from trying anyway. We can start from the functional equation.

Here are some interesting results which might be useful in solving the problem.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_zeta_function#Riemann's_functional_equation

This zeta function satisfies the functional equation
(https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/a4c33a4fef2cb6271b95028cf7a012d2c0d0ec00)
where Γ(s) is the gamma function. This is an equality of meromorphic functions valid on the whole complex plane. The equation relates values of the Riemann zeta function at the points s and 1 − s, in particular relating even positive integers with odd negative integers. Owing to the zeros of the sine function, the functional equation implies that ζ(s) has a simple zero at each even negative integer s = −2n, known as the trivial zeros of ζ(s). When s is an even positive integer, the product sin(πs/2)Γ(1 − s) on the right is non-zero because Γ(1 − s) has a simple pole, which cancels the simple zero of the sine factor.

When Riemann zeta function produces 0 result, ζ(s) = 0, at least one of these terms is 0
1) 2s  = 0 →  s = -∞
2) πs-1  = 0 →  s = -∞
3) sin(πs/2).Γ(1-s) = 0  →  s ∈ {negative even numbers}
4) ζ(1-s) = 0 = ζ(s)

Point #3 gives trivial zeros, while point #4 gives non-trivial zeros.
when 1-s=s  → 1=2s  →  s=1/2 
But  ζ(1/2) <> 0


From above results, it can be inferred that for any point in the critical strip,
ζ(s*)=ζ(1-s) if and only if s is in critical line,
where s*=complex conjugate of s.

4) ζ(1-s) = 0 = ζ(s)

The fact that
ζ(s) = (ζ(s*))*

But we only care about the case where ζ(s) = 0.
0* = 0
 →  ζ(s) = ζ(s*) = ζ(1-s) = 0

when s* = 1-s  →  s+s* = 1 
→  Re(s)+Im(s).i + Re(s)-Im(s).i = 1  →  2.Re(s) = 1 
→  Re(s) = 1/2
The derivation above should be enough to show that Riemann's Hypothesis is true, ie. non-trivial zeros of Riemann's Zeta function has real part of 1/2. While trivial zeros are determined by sine function in the functional equation (minus those cancelled by the Gamma function), non-trivial zeros are determined by analytic continuation of Zeta function to region where the real part is less then 1.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 11/05/2024 15:08:42
Y function convincingly shows the symmetry of Riemann's Zeta function around the critical line. It also shows the increasing stability for higher imaginary part. But somehow some of us aren't convinced that all non-trivial zeros of Riemann's Zeta function are on the critical line.

For comparison, we can create an equivalent function to check the symmetry of Riemann's Zeta function around the real line. For how it looks like, let's call it M function.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%28-8-+s.i%29%29+-+%28Zeta%28-8%2Bs.i%29%29%29%29from+-10+to+10


https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+log%28%28zeta%28-9.19-+si%29+-+%28Zeta%28-9.19+%2Bsi%29%29%29%29from+-5+to+5

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+log%28%28zeta%28-77.66-+si%29+-+Zeta%28-77.66%2Bsi%29%29%29from+-3+to+3
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 11/05/2024 17:48:45
Comparison between M function and Y function shows that Riemann's Zeta function is more permissive to irregularities /exceptions in trivial zeros rather than non-trivial zeros.
To be clear, I don't dispute the validity that all trivial zeros are on the real line. On the contrary, I want to point out that the position of non-trivial zeros on the critical line is even more robust or less shaky than the position of trivial zeros on the real line. Somehow, the latter was easier to reach consensus in the global mathematics community.

It seems like this mathematical problem of Riemann's hypothesis is more about human psychology than technical problem. We respect Riemann as a brilliant mathematician. If there's a math problem that even he couldn't solve, it must be an extremely difficult problem, so we thought. Consequently, we tend to be overthinking in trying to find the solution.
Title: Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
Post by: hamdani yusuf on 12/05/2024 11:46:15
To be clear, I don't dispute the validity that all trivial zeros are on the real line.
For zeros of Riemann's Zeta function, log of subtractive symmetry checking functions like Y and M functions necessarily yield negative infinity, but it's still inadequate. They also must yield negative infinity when the functions use multiplication instead of subtraction.

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