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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #100 on: 10/05/2024 16:52:03 »
I just found another great video about Riemann's hypothesis.
The Dream: Riemann Hypothesis and F1 (RH Saga S1E1)
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This is the first episode of the RH Saga.

We embark on a journey into the world of L-functions, by introducing the Riemann Hypothesis and the dream of a new geometry over the "field with one element".

The aim of RH Saga Season 1 is to map the landscape of L-functions, as a foundation for future in-depth exploration of some of the most immortal math problems of all time.

This video is part of a PeakMath course. Join the journey at https://www.peakmath.org/

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Chapters:

00:00 - Introduction to the RH Saga
01:50 - Introduction to Episode 1: The Dream
03:17 - Chapter 1: Intro to F1
07:58 - Summary of Chapter 1
09:26 - Chapter 2: Recap of RH
18:46 - Chapter 3: Proof of RH?
21:40 - Summary of Chapter 3
Links:

1. "Numbers as Functions" - Yuri Manin
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1312.5160.pdf

2. "Riemann's Hypothesis" - Brian Conrey
https://tinyurl.com/conrey90

3. SageMathCell
https://sagecell.sagemath.org/

4. SageMath
https://www.sagemath.org/

5. SageMathCell permalink for Riemann spectrum code
https://tinyurl.com/e1-spectrum

6. SageMathCell permalink for cosine waves code
https://tinyurl.com/e1-cosine

Errata:

Around 6:44: Just to clarify - the "fractional Gamma value" \Gamma(p/q) may not be a period in itself, but \Gamma(p/q)^q is certainly a period.

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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #101 on: 11/05/2024 01:19:45 »
After watching a video about elliptic curve, I suspected that trivial zeros of Zeta function must somehow be related to non-trivial zeros. This video shows how they are related.
The Generalized Riemann Hypothesis (RH Saga S1E3)
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This is the third episode of the RH Saga.

We continue our journey by considering the zeros of L-functions beyond the Riemann zeta function. The location of these zeros is the subject of the generalized Riemann hypothesis. The story of these zeros also give a first indication of the general relationship between prime numbers and L-functions.

The overall aim of RH Saga Season 1 is to map the landscape of L-functions, as a foundation for future in-depth exploration of some of the most immortal math problems of all time.


Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
02:00 - Review of examples
05:04 - Analytic continuation
12:39 - Zeros in the critical strip
16:44 - Cosine waves
21:35 - Final remarks

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Links:

1. LMFDB
https://www.lmfdb.org/


2. "The Music of the Primes" on Amazon UK:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Music-Primes...

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Errata:

The integral written at approx. 11:00 has a slight mistake. Instead of the number 2, the variable s should be used inside the sine function in the integrand. Correction displayed on screen at 11:20.

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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #102 on: 11/05/2024 02:01:46 »
Here's the description of Riemann Hypothesis by Clay Mathematics Institute

https://www.claymath.org/millennium/riemann-hypothesis/
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Riemann Hypothesis
The prime number theorem determines the average distribution of the primes. The Riemann hypothesis tells us about the deviation from the average. Formulated in Riemann?s 1859 paper, it asserts that all the ?non-obvious? zeros of the zeta function are complex numbers with real part 1/2.

Some numbers have the special property that they cannot be expressed as the product of two smaller numbers, e.g., 2, 3, 5, 7, etc. Such numbers are called prime numbers, and they play an important role, both in pure mathematics and its applications. The distribution of such prime numbers among all natural numbers does not follow any regular pattern.  However, the German mathematician G.F.B. Riemann (1826 ? 1866) observed that the frequency of prime numbers is very closely related to the behavior of an elaborate function ζ(s) = 1 + 1/2s + 1/3s + 1/4s + ?  called the Riemann Zeta function. The Riemann hypothesis asserts that all interesting solutions of the equation ζ(s) = 0 lie on a certain vertical straight line.

This has been checked for the first 10,000,000,000,000 solutions. A proof that it is true for every interesting solution would shed light on many of the mysteries surrounding the distribution of prime numbers.
Interestingly, it says nothing about analytic continuation. Although it provides a link to Official Problem Description by E. Bombieri https://www.claymath.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/riemann.pdf


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All this leads to several basic questions.
Is there a theory in the global case, playing the same role as cohomology does
for Zeta functions of varieties over a field of positive characteristic? Is there an
analogue of a Frobenius automorphism in the classical case? Is there a general
index theorem by which one can prove the classical Riemann hypothesis? We are

here in the realm of conjectures and speculation. In the adelic setting propounded
by Tate and Weil, the papers [Conn], [Den], [Hara] offer glimpses of a possible setup
for these basic problems.
On the other hand, there are L-functions, such as those attached to Maass
waveforms, which do not seem to originate from geometry and for which we still
expect a Riemann hypothesis to be valid. For them, we do not have algebraic and
geometric models to guide our thinking, and entirely new ideas may be needed to
study these intriguing objects.

Problems of the Millennium: the Riemann Hypothesis
E. Bombieri

Riemann's 1859 Manuscript  https://www.claymath.org/collections/riemanns-1859-manuscript/

https://www.claymath.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Wilkins-translation.pdf
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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #103 on: 11/05/2024 02:16:55 »
Here's the Rules for the Millennium Prize Problems:
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https://www.claymath.org/millennium-problems/rules/

Rules for the Millennium Prize Problems
The revised rules for the Millennium Prize Problems were adopted by the Board of Directors of the Clay Mathematics Institute on 26 September, 2018.

Please read this document carefully before contacting CMI about a proposed solution.  In particular, please note that:

CMI does not accept direct submission of proposed solutions.
The document is a complete statement of the rules and procedures: CMI will not offer any futher guidance or advice.
Before CMI will consider a proposed solution, all three of the following conditions must be satisfied: (i) the proposed solution must be published in a Qualifying Outlet (see ?6), and (ii) at least two years must have passed since publication, and (iii) the proposed solution must have received general acceptance in the global mathematics community

https://www.claymath.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/millennium_prize_rules_0.pdf
The rules document is only 4 pages long, but there are 15 words of "discretion" in it already. It also seems to rely heavily on the consensus in the global mathematics community.
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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #104 on: 11/05/2024 02:40:21 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 29/06/2022 17:17:50
Here are some interesting results which might be useful in solving the problem.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_zeta_function#Riemann's_functional_equation

This zeta function satisfies the functional equation

where Γ(s) is the gamma function. This is an equality of meromorphic functions valid on the whole complex plane. The equation relates values of the Riemann zeta function at the points s and 1 − s, in particular relating even positive integers with odd negative integers. Owing to the zeros of the sine function, the functional equation implies that ζ(s) has a simple zero at each even negative integer s = −2n, known as the trivial zeros of ζ(s). When s is an even positive integer, the product sin(πs/2)Γ(1 − s) on the right is non-zero because Γ(1 − s) has a simple pole, which cancels the simple zero of the sine factor.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_zeta_function#Other_results
The fact that

for all complex s ≠ 1 implies that the zeros of the Riemann zeta function are symmetric about the real axis. Combining this symmetry with the functional equation, furthermore, one sees that the non-trivial zeros are symmetric about the critical line Re(s) = ½

It is also known that no zeros lie on a line with real part 1.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_hypothesis#Zeros_on_the_critical_line
Hardy (1914) and Hardy & Littlewood (1921) showed there are infinitely many zeros on the critical line, by considering moments of certain functions related to the zeta function. Selberg (1942) proved that at least a (small) positive proportion of zeros lie on the line. Levinson (1974) improved this to one-third of the zeros by relating the zeros of the zeta function to those of its derivative, and Conrey (1989) improved this further to two-fifths. In 2020, this estimate was extended to five-twelfths by Pratt, Robles, Zaharescu and Zeindler[22] by considering extended mollifiers that can accommodate higher order derivatives of the zeta function and their associated Kloosterman sums.

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https://mathworld.wolfram.com/RiemannHypothesis.html
 It is known that the zeros are symmetrically placed about the line I(s)=0. This follows from the fact that, for all complex numbers s,

1. s and the complex conjugate s* are symmetrically placed about this line.

2. From the definition (1), the Riemann zeta function satisfies zeta(s*)=zeta(s)*, so that if s is a zero, so is s*, since then zeta(s*)=zeta(s)*=0*=0.

It is also known that the nontrivial zeros are symmetrically placed about the critical line R(s)=1/2, a result which follows from the functional equation and the symmetry about the line I(s)=0. For if s is a nontrivial zero, then 1-s is also a zero (by the functional equation), and then 1-s* is another zero. But s and 1-s* are symmetrically placed about the line R(s)=1/2, since 1-(x+iy)*=(1-x)+iy, and if x=1/2+x', then 1-x=1/2-x'.

From above results, it can be inferred that for any point in the critical strip,
ζ(s*)=ζ(1-s) if and only if s is in critical line,
where s*=complex conjugate of s.

After consulting with Gemini, it becomes obvious for me that Riemann's functional equation plays an important role to convince that all trivial zeros of Riemann's Zeta function lie on the real line, ie. their imaginary part is zero. I suspect that the same functional equation can somehow convincingly show that all non-trivial zeros of Riemann's Zeta function lie on the critical line, ie. their real part is 1/2.
Let's modify the equation so that all the s terms are on the left side, while on the right side only contains 1-s terms.
Zeta(s) * (1/2)^s / sin(s*pi/2) = Zeta(1-s) * (1/pi)^(1-s)* Gamma(1-s)
if $=1-s, then
Zeta(s) * (1/2)^s / sin(s*pi/2) = Zeta($) * (1/pi)^$ * Gamma($)

The equation becomes similar with 3 parts. The first part is the Zeta function. The second part is exponential function with a constant as the base. The third part is an accompanying function, in this case a division by sine function on the left, and a Gamma function on the right.
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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #105 on: 11/05/2024 03:27:58 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 15/03/2024 13:29:00
For every nontrivial zero of Zeta function, ζ(s) =0,
Re(Y(s)) = - ~  (negative infinity)
Im(Y(s) = undefined (due to switching between two different, discontinuous values)
The plot of Y function suggests that those conditions can only be satisfied where Re(s) = 1/2, as Riemann predicted.

The trivial zeros of Riemann's Zeta function are entirely defined by the sine function in the functional equation. Zeros on non-negative integers are canceled by the simple poles of the Gamma function.

As far as I know, no one has ever disputed the position of trivial zeros of Riemann's Zeta function. It's a consensus that they are all lie on the real line. Although in a sense, the argumentative basis for placing them on the real line is not so obvious. If the Gamma function can cancel out the trivial zeros on non-negative even integers, why can't they be shifted from the real line by one or more of the terms in the functional equation?
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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #106 on: 11/05/2024 14:27:01 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 13/07/2022 03:51:56
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 01/07/2022 05:59:51
At this point, it should be obvious that direct attack on the problem is impossible.

But it doesn't stop us from trying anyway. We can start from the functional equation.

Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 29/06/2022 17:17:50
Here are some interesting results which might be useful in solving the problem.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_zeta_function#Riemann's_functional_equation

This zeta function satisfies the functional equation

where Γ(s) is the gamma function. This is an equality of meromorphic functions valid on the whole complex plane. The equation relates values of the Riemann zeta function at the points s and 1 − s, in particular relating even positive integers with odd negative integers. Owing to the zeros of the sine function, the functional equation implies that ζ(s) has a simple zero at each even negative integer s = −2n, known as the trivial zeros of ζ(s). When s is an even positive integer, the product sin(πs/2)Γ(1 − s) on the right is non-zero because Γ(1 − s) has a simple pole, which cancels the simple zero of the sine factor.

When Riemann zeta function produces 0 result, ζ(s) = 0, at least one of these terms is 0
1) 2s  = 0 →  s = -∞
2) πs-1  = 0 →  s = -∞
3) sin(πs/2).Γ(1-s) = 0  →  s ∈ {negative even numbers}
4) ζ(1-s) = 0 = ζ(s)

Point #3 gives trivial zeros, while point #4 gives non-trivial zeros.
when 1-s=s  → 1=2s  →  s=1/2 
But  ζ(1/2) <> 0


Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 13/07/2022 09:17:04
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 29/06/2022 17:17:50
From above results, it can be inferred that for any point in the critical strip,
ζ(s*)=ζ(1-s) if and only if s is in critical line,
where s*=complex conjugate of s.

Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 13/07/2022 03:51:56
4) ζ(1-s) = 0 = ζ(s)

Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 29/06/2022 17:17:50
The fact that
ζ(s) = (ζ(s*))*

But we only care about the case where ζ(s) = 0.
0* = 0
 →  ζ(s) = ζ(s*) = ζ(1-s) = 0

when s* = 1-s  →  s+s* = 1 
→  Re(s)+Im(s).i + Re(s)-Im(s).i = 1  →  2.Re(s) = 1 
→  Re(s) = 1/2
The derivation above should be enough to show that Riemann's Hypothesis is true, ie. non-trivial zeros of Riemann's Zeta function has real part of 1/2. While trivial zeros are determined by sine function in the functional equation (minus those cancelled by the Gamma function), non-trivial zeros are determined by analytic continuation of Zeta function to region where the real part is less then 1.
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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #107 on: 11/05/2024 15:08:42 »
Y function convincingly shows the symmetry of Riemann's Zeta function around the critical line. It also shows the increasing stability for higher imaginary part. But somehow some of us aren't convinced that all non-trivial zeros of Riemann's Zeta function are on the critical line.

For comparison, we can create an equivalent function to check the symmetry of Riemann's Zeta function around the real line. For how it looks like, let's call it M function.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%28-8-+s.i%29%29+-+%28Zeta%28-8%2Bs.i%29%29%29%29from+-10+to+10


https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+log%28%28zeta%28-9.19-+si%29+-+%28Zeta%28-9.19+%2Bsi%29%29%29%29from+-5+to+5

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+log%28%28zeta%28-77.66-+si%29+-+Zeta%28-77.66%2Bsi%29%29%29from+-3+to+3

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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #108 on: 11/05/2024 17:48:45 »
Comparison between M function and Y function shows that Riemann's Zeta function is more permissive to irregularities /exceptions in trivial zeros rather than non-trivial zeros.
To be clear, I don't dispute the validity that all trivial zeros are on the real line. On the contrary, I want to point out that the position of non-trivial zeros on the critical line is even more robust or less shaky than the position of trivial zeros on the real line. Somehow, the latter was easier to reach consensus in the global mathematics community.

It seems like this mathematical problem of Riemann's hypothesis is more about human psychology than technical problem. We respect Riemann as a brilliant mathematician. If there's a math problem that even he couldn't solve, it must be an extremely difficult problem, so we thought. Consequently, we tend to be overthinking in trying to find the solution.
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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #109 on: 12/05/2024 11:46:15 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 11/05/2024 17:48:45
To be clear, I don't dispute the validity that all trivial zeros are on the real line.
For zeros of Riemann's Zeta function, log of subtractive symmetry checking functions like Y and M functions necessarily yield negative infinity, but it's still inadequate. They also must yield negative infinity when the functions use multiplication instead of subtraction.

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+log%28%28zeta%28-8+-+si%29+-+Zeta%28-8+%2Bsi%29%29%29from+-23+to+23

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+log%28%28zeta%28-8+-+si%29Zeta%28-8+%2Bsi%29%29%29from+-23+to+23

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+log%28%28zeta%288+-+si%29Zeta%288+%2Bsi%29%29%29from+-23+to+23

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+log%28%28zeta%280.5+-+si%29Zeta%280.5+%2Bsi%29%29%29from+-23+to+23
 

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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #110 on: 17/05/2024 04:33:18 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 11/05/2024 15:08:42
Y function convincingly shows the symmetry of Riemann's Zeta function around the critical line. It also shows the increasing stability for higher imaginary part. But somehow some of us aren't convinced that all non-trivial zeros of Riemann's Zeta function are on the critical line.
The functional equation guarantees that at the critical line, output of Y function is always negative infinity, because on that line, s=1-s*. Consequently,
Y(s) = Ln (ζ(s)-ζ(s)) = Ln(0) = -~
To prove Riemann's hypothesis, a further step is required. It needs to show that ζ(s)<>ζ(1-s*) when s<>1-s*.
This is where the backslash function (aka S function) can help.
B(s) = Ln (ζ(s) / ζ(1-s*)) = Ln(ζ(s)) - Ln(ζ(1-s*))
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%28x%2B20i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-x%2B20i%29%29%29%29from+-14+to+15

In this case, we only need to consider the value in the critical strip,
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%28x%2B20i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-x%2B20i%29%29%29%29from+0+to+1

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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #111 on: 17/05/2024 05:03:45 »
Let's see how Y function evolves as the imaginary part of s increases from 0 to 20.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%28x%2B0i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-x%2B0i%29%29%29%29from+0+to+1

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%28x%2B1i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-x%2B1i%29%29%29%29from+0+to+1

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%28x%2B3i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-x%2B3i%29%29%29%29from+0+to+1

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%28x%2B6.3i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-x%2B6.3i%29%29%29%29from+0+to+1

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%28x%2B7i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-x%2B7i%29%29%29%29from+0+to+1

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%28x%2B12i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-x%2B12i%29%29%29%29from+0+to+1

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Low imaginary part produces positive slope, while high imaginary part produces negative slope.
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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #112 on: 17/05/2024 05:14:38 »
When the imaginary part is around 6.3, the backslash function in the critical strip returns near zero for the real part.

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%28x%2B6.3i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-x%2B6.3i%29%29%29%29from+0+to+1

Let's ignore the imaginary part to get a closer look at the real part.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28log%28%28zeta%28x%2B6.3i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-x%2B6.3i%29%29%29%29from+0+to+1

We get a nice full wave when the imaginary part is exactly 2*pi
The significance of points (0.2, -0.0002) and (0.8, 0.0002) is yet to be determined.

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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #113 on: 17/05/2024 07:22:56 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 17/05/2024 05:14:38
We get a nice full wave when the imaginary part is exactly 2*pi

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%28x%2B+2+pi+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-x%2B+2+pi+i%29%29%29%29from+0+to+1
When both real and imaginary parts are shown, the difference in magnitude is obvious. Let's compare it with some different values.

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%28x%2B+1.9+pi+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-x%2B+1.9+pi+i%29%29%29%29from+0+to+1

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%28x%2B+1+pi+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-x%2B+1+pi+i%29%29%29%29from+0+to+1

The real part seems to equal the imaginary part at 1.38 pi i
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%28x%2B+1.38+pi+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-x%2B+1.38+pi+i%29%29%29%29from+0+to+1
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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #114 on: 17/05/2024 07:27:32 »
The real part seems to equal the imaginary part at 1.38 pi i
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%28x%2B+1.38+pi+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-x%2B+1.38+pi+i%29%29%29%29from+0+to+1

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28log%28%28zeta%28+s+pi+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281+%2B+s+pi+i%29%29%29%29+%2B+im%28log%28%28zeta%28+s+pi+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281+%2B+s+pi+i%29%29%29%29+from+1.3843+to+1.3845
More precisely, it's close to 1.38438 pi i


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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #115 on: 17/05/2024 13:22:36 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 17/05/2024 04:33:18
Y function guarantees that at the critical line, its output is always negative infinity, because on that line, s=1-s*. Consequently,
Y(s) = Ln (ζ(s)-ζ(s)) = Ln(0) = -~
To prove Riemann's hypothesis, a further step is required. It needs to show that ζ(s)<>ζ(1-s*) when s<>1-s*.
This is where the backslash function can help.
B(s) = Ln (ζ(s) / ζ(1-s*)) = Ln(ζ(s)) - Ln(ζ(1-s*))
In the critical strip, where 0<Re(s)<1, real part of backslash function never cross zero more than once, except when the imaginary part of s is around 2π.

Violation of Riemann's hypothesis requires that backslash function crosses zero more than once, presumably at very high imaginary part.
But it's contradictory to our observation that the real part of backslash function is even more stable at higher imaginary part.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%28x%2B999999999+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-x%2B+999999999+i%29%29%29%29from+0+to+1
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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #116 on: 19/05/2024 06:22:53 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 17/05/2024 05:14:38
We get a nice full wave when the imaginary part is exactly 2*pi
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28log%28zeta%28x%2B+2+pi+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x%2B+2+pi+i%29%29%29%29from+0+to+1

The same curve looks like an inflection when zoomed out.

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28log%28zeta%28x%2B+2+pi+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x%2B+2+pi+i%29%29%29%29from+-10+to+11

A more accurate inflection curve has a slightly bigger imaginary number.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28log%28zeta%28x%2B+2.002117+pi+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x%2B+2.002117+pi+i%29%29%29%29from+0.495+to+0.505
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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #117 on: 19/05/2024 09:57:19 »
Multiplication with pi doesn't seem to simplify the number. So here's the same equation without it.

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28log%28zeta%28x%2B+6.28983597+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x%2B+6.28983597+i%29%29%29%29from+0+to+1


https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+re%28log%28zeta%28x%2B+6.28983597+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x%2B+6.28983597+i%29%29%29%29from+0.495+to+0.505

This is how it looks like when the imaginary part is not omitted.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+log+%28%28zeta%28x%2B+6.28983597+i%29+%2F%28Zeta%281-x%2B+6.28983597+i%29%29%29%29from+0.495+to+0.505
It shows that even at inflection point, backslash function (aka S function) only crosses zero exactly once, where Re(s) =1/2.

Exploration of backslash function (aka S function) around its inflection point can be exciting in its own right, but does not have much effect on the determination of Riemann hypothesis, which for now has narrowed down to critical strip with extremely high imaginary part.
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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #118 on: 19/05/2024 22:09:19 »
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%280%2B+s+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281%2B+s+i%29%29%29%29+from+0+to+30

This  is a variation of backslash function, but plotted against the imaginary part, instead of the real part of s.

Here are for some other values inside the critical strip.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%280.1%2B+s+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-0.1+%2B+s+i%29%29%29%29+from+0+to+30

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%280.3%2B+s+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-0.3+%2B+s+i%29%29%29%29+from+0+to+30

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%280.5%2B+s+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-0.5+%2B+s+i%29%29%29%29+from+0+to+30

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%280.7%2B+s+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-0.7+%2B+s+i%29%29%29%29+from+0+to+30
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Re: What makes Riemann's Hypothesis Hard to Prove?
« Reply #119 on: 19/05/2024 22:18:08 »
Here are for some values outside of the critical strip at positive side.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%281.2%2B+s+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-1.2%2B+s+i%29%29%29%29+from+0+to+30

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%283%2B+s+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-3%2B+s+i%29%29%29%29+from+0+to+30

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=plot+%28log%28%28zeta%2817%2B+s+i%29%29+%2F+%28Zeta%281-17%2B+s+i%29%29%29%29+from+0+to+30
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