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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #25 on: 27/03/2016 12:51:50 »
I know that it is good to be tolleratnt to those who need education. I am often in that catagory. But since this is a science forum should it be a platform for the mad to polute our collective mean space with utter drivel?
 
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« Reply #26 on: 27/03/2016 13:35:58 »
Maybe you're just annoyed and uncomfortable with truth? Anyways, please don't blame the messenger, unless you appreciate trolling on science forums to affirm your definite ignorance...
 

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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #27 on: 01/04/2016 19:24:42 »
Yet more evidences of the toxicity of geoengineering.

Dimethyl and monomethyl sulfate: presence in coal fly ash and airborne particulate matter.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7350652

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Dimethyl sulfate is carcinogenic[7] and mutagenic, highly poisonous, corrosive, environmentally hazardous and volatile (presenting an inhalation hazard). It is considered a potential chemical weapon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyl_sulfate#Safety
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« Reply #28 on: 02/04/2016 01:28:38 »
Yet more evidences of the toxicity of geoengineering.

Dimethyl and monomethyl sulfate: presence in coal fly ash and airborne particulate matter.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7350652

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Dimethyl sulfate is carcinogenic[7] and mutagenic, highly poisonous, corrosive, environmentally hazardous and volatile (presenting an inhalation hazard). It is considered a potential chemical weapon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyl_sulfate#Safety
Ash and smoke always contained lots of nasty chemicals.
Do you think this was "geoengineering"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephenson%27s_Rocket

But that's not the real question; this is . If "They" are putting "poisons" in the air how come "They" are not being poisoned?
Or are you saying that they are going to a lot or trouble to poison themselves?

I don't think you have thought this through.
 

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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #29 on: 02/04/2016 01:31:57 »
I noticed that military planes sometimes release aerosols by doing a X-shape pattern in the sky. This always happens on clear and sunny days. Is there a logical explanation in doing a X-like motion to dissipate the aerosol

No.
There is no logical explanation for " doing a X-like motion to dissipate the aerosol" so they must be doing it for some other reason.
You seem to be arguing against yourself.
 

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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #30 on: 02/04/2016 11:32:14 »

But that's not the real question; this is . If "They" are putting "poisons" in the air how come "They" are not being poisoned?
Or are you saying that they are going to a lot or trouble to poison themselves?

This might be a case of suicidal ideation (lookup "democide"). By purposefully releasing toxic coal fly ash particles in the troposhere, the governments must be aware of the deleterious effects of such operations on public health.

Notice also that dimethyl sulfate is mutagenic and carcinogenic. This could means the method used for soft-killing humanity is through cancer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcinogen

I guess the real question should be why scientists and doctors are silent about the elite's depopulation plans.
 

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« Reply #31 on: 02/04/2016 13:56:28 »
... the elite's depopulation plans.

That " they are trying to kill us"  message was brought to you by the Paranoia Party, ( a subsidiary of the "Cannabis cures everything*" group ). 

[ * except paranoia, which it causes ]
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« Reply #32 on: 02/04/2016 14:39:21 »

But that's not the real question; this is . If "They" are putting "poisons" in the air how come "They" are not being poisoned?
Or are you saying that they are going to a lot or trouble to poison themselves?

This might be a case of suicidal ideation (lookup "democide"). By purposefully releasing toxic coal fly ash particles in the troposhere, the governments must be aware of the deleterious effects of such operations on public health.

Notice also that dimethyl sulfate is mutagenic and carcinogenic. This could means the method used for soft-killing humanity is through cancer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcinogen

I guess the real question should be why scientists and doctors are silent about the elite's depopulation plans.

Just for a start, dimethyl sulphate is not stable in the presence of water so it's not going to be a problem in rain.
"I guess the real question should be why scientists and doctors are silent about the elite's depopulation plans."

The real answer is that there are no such plans for doctors and scientists to say anything about.
(It's also just plain bloody stupid; without a population to exploit- they wouldn't stay "elite" for very long.)

What you seem to be saying is that the elite want to kill themselves- even though they are in a positions to enjoy themselves however they like.
Have you thought that through?
 

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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #33 on: 05/04/2016 10:59:04 »
Just for a start, dimethyl sulphate is not stable in the presence of water so it's not going to be a problem in rain.

Airborne particulates of dimethyl sulphate are a potential risk for the environment: Coal fly ash aerosols exposure may affect lung and brain function.

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What you seem to be saying is that the elite want to kill themselves- even though they are in a positions to enjoy themselves however they like.
Have you thought that through?

One should probably not deny the weaponization of geoengineering: Coal fly ash particles are toxic for human health.
 

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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #34 on: 05/04/2016 11:11:16 »
WE started to destroy the planet the very moment we started to extract oil, a thermal barrier removed .   For every mine we dig we create structural weakness in the planet,    for every fire we light we create change.


Is geo-engineering destroying life?   NO, life is destroying life by doing the geo-engineering.
 

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« Reply #35 on: 05/04/2016 11:23:37 »
Indeed. Human intelligence perhaps created this nefarious activity. However, we have the right to breath non-toxic air since breathing is part of human nature. Anyone who attempt to poison us by inducing a slow death is a dangerous criminal. Likewise, water is essential to life. The poisoning of air/water interface with toxic chemical weapons is a threat to humanity.
 

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« Reply #36 on: 05/04/2016 20:48:40 »
Just for a start, dimethyl sulphate is not stable in the presence of water so it's not going to be a problem in rain.

Airborne particulates of dimethyl sulphate are a potential risk for the environment: Coal fly ash aerosols exposure may affect lung and brain function.

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What you seem to be saying is that the elite want to kill themselves- even though they are in a positions to enjoy themselves however they like.
Have you thought that through?

One should probably not deny the weaponization of geoengineering: Coal fly ash particles are toxic for human health.

"Airborne particulates of dimethyl sulphate are a potential risk for the environment:"
No.
Sulphate aerosols may well be a threat to the environment (ironically, they may be it's saviour- but let's not get into that here).
Dimethyl sulphate isn't stable in water- nothing you post here will change that will it?
So why not stop pretending?

"One should probably not deny the weaponization of geoengineering"
Why not?
There is no actual evidence that it's happening, so  why not deny it?
" Coal fly ash particles are toxic for human health."
Well, how fortunate that they get largely scrubbed out at the point of production and used to make cement etc.
As I asked (and you ignored), how do "they" stop themselves getting poisoned too?

It simply does not make sense.


 

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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #37 on: 05/04/2016 20:51:02 »
Indeed. Human intelligence perhaps created this nefarious activity. However, we have the right to breath non-toxic air since breathing is part of human nature. Anyone who attempt to poison us by inducing a slow death is a dangerous criminal. Likewise, water is essential to life. The poisoning of air/water interface with toxic chemical weapons is a threat to humanity.
Yes, all very nice, but, ever since we discovered fire, we have been doing all those things.
Do you really want to stop?
 

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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #38 on: 06/04/2016 10:58:09 »
"Airborne particulates of dimethyl sulphate are a potential risk for the environment:"
No.
Sulphate aerosols may well be a threat to the environment (ironically, they may be it's saviour- but let's not get into that here).
Dimethyl sulphate isn't stable in water- nothing you post here will change that will it?
So why not stop pretending?

Are you pretending Lee study is wrong?

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Dimethyl sulfate and its hydrolysis product monomethyl sulfate have been found at concentrations as high as 830 parts per million in fly ash and in airborne particulate matter from coal combustion processes. This discovery poses a new environmental problem because of the mutagenic and carcinogenic properties of these compounds.

Coal fly ash is a neurotoxicant no matter the origins of the particulates...

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"One should probably not deny the weaponization of geoengineering"
Why not?
There is no actual evidence that it's happening, so  why not deny it?

The evidences are in the composition of CFA nanoparticles. Sulfate aerosols
releases toxic nanoparticles that may trigger diseases (Alzheimer) and cause harmful effects.

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As I asked (and you ignored), how do "they" stop themselves getting poisoned too?
Please don't ask silly questions. The governments obviously are aware of the toxicity and harmful effects of geoengineering.
 

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« Reply #39 on: 06/04/2016 11:10:08 »
Yes, all very nice, but, ever since we discovered fire, we have been doing all those things.
Do you really want to stop?

Scientific research should not be used against us... Otherwise what is the purpose of science
if it cannot protect us against tyranny?
 
 

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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #40 on: 09/04/2016 21:02:12 »
Dimethyl sulphate falls apart in water with a half life of a few hours.
Any study that says otherwise is wrong.

"Coal fly ash is a neurotoxicant no matter the origins of the particulates"
well, like I said, how lucky we are that people keep good control over it (most of the time; there's bound to be the odd cock-up)

This
"Sulfate aerosols releases toxic nanoparticles that may trigger diseases "
just doesn't make sense

"The governments obviously are aware of the toxicity and harmful effects of geoengineering."
That's why it isn't a silly question.
Why are they poisoning themselves?
 

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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #41 on: 09/04/2016 23:33:01 »
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Although seemingly unacknowledged in publicly accessible reports and in scientific literature as a potential material for geoengineering, coal fly ash is one major global waste product stream with the appropriate grain-size distribution for aerosolized tropospheric spraying that is readily available at extremely low cost and with existent processing and transport infrastructure. The author submits the following hypothesis: Coal fly ash is most likely the aerosolized particulate sprayed in the troposphere by tanker-jets for geoengineering, weather-modification and climate-modification purposes

The ultra-fine particles of aerosolized coal fly ash do not remain at tanker-jet operational altitudes: they mix with and pollute the air people breathe. Tropospheric aerosol coal fly ash can potentially endanger humans through two primary routes: (1) ingestion of rainwater-extract of coal fly ash toxins, directly or after concentration by evaporation and (2) particulate intake through inhalation or through contact with the eyes or skin [20]. In the latter instance, harm to humans can arise from in situ body-fluid extraction of coal fly ash toxins [21] as well as from the consequences of tissue contact [22]. Coal fly ash that is PM2.5 is readily entrained in terminal airways and alveoli and retained in the lungs for long periods of time; the small grain size enables it to penetrate and reach deep within the airways where it can cause inflammation and pulmonary injury [23].

Coal fly ash contains a host of potentially leachable toxins, including aluminum, arsenic, barium, beryllium, boron, cadmium, chromium (III), chromium (IV), cobalt, lead, manganese, mercury, selenium, strontium, thallium, thorium, and uranium. Coal fly ash has been described as being more radioactive than nuclear waste [24]. Moreover, many of the most toxic elements are enriched in the PM2.5 component of coal fly ash [25]. Whether or not the coal fly ash used for geoengineering is selectively enriched in PM2.5 is not known, but enrichment in the small particle size fraction would be advantageous in yielding greater surface area for sunlight reflection.

CFA is cheap material. Dumping coal fly ash in the troposhere to offset global warming may have an impact on the environment and public health. I suggest you read up this paper to expand your knowledge on the risks and toxicity of geoengineering:

Evidence of Coal-Fly-Ash Toxic Chemical Geoengineering in the Troposphere: Consequences for Public Health: http://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/12/8/9375/htm

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Why are they poisoning themselves?

I guess you meant "Why are we poisoning ourselves" ?

I'd say human stupidity is infinite. However, it seems secret societies have subverted democratic governments to promote their silly ideology. Anyways, I think the truth on geoengineering should probably become more obvious as scientific research now puts forward strong evidences of the toxicity of geoengineering, whether you like it or not...


 

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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #42 on: 10/04/2016 14:01:54 »
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In the absence of viable other sources, the evidence is that the coal fly ash is likely the substance being placed in the atmosphere by tanker jets. That is consistent with the nature of the material, and its availability from existing production facilities. Yes, this needs to be proven conclusively. But it is a misrepresentation to state “is not clear what the source of these chemicals is”. Science involves the progressive replacing of less precise understanding with more precise understanding. Indeed, much of the current underlying understanding in the natural physical sciences is in a sense “preliminary” and subject to revision by subsequent more precise understanding, but that is no reason or basis to prevent publication of relevant evidence.

The retraction of Herndon paper provide evidences that a organization is committed to promote ignorance and deception about the toxicity of geoengineering.

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How many additional children will suffer from autism? What unknown birth defects will come to light? Why should those with compromised immune and respiratory systems suffer? How many premature cases of Alzheimer’s will result? How many elderly will die prematurely? Why do women, the traditional protectors of the young, keep their silence? Where is their humanity? Instead of calling for debate on a future hypothetical, in my view McNutt should be calling for a Nuremberg-like Tribunal to bring to trial those responsible for the on-going toxic spraying which, I allege, constitutes crimes against humanity and crimes against Earth’s biota.

The dumping of coal fly ash particles in the troposhere constitute a crime against humanity: The pseudoscience of climate change is a fraud to create ignorance and deceit about this criminal activity.

http://nuclearplanet.com/scimag.html
 

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« Reply #43 on: 10/04/2016 16:04:52 »
The retraction of Herndon paper provide evidences that a organization is committed to promote ignorance and deception about the toxicity of geoengineering.
Alternative explanation : his paper contained huge errors ... https://debunkingdenialism.com/2015/09/05/flawed-chemtrails-paper-by-herndon-retracted/
 

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« Reply #44 on: 10/04/2016 16:27:52 »
Alternative explanation : his paper contained huge errors ... https://debunkingdenialism.com/2015/09/05/flawed-chemtrails-paper-by-herndon-retracted/

The errors were corrected. Comments from the author about the retraction can be read here: http://nuclearplanet.com/public_rejection.pdf 
 

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« Reply #45 on: 10/04/2016 16:50:14 »
...  I suggest you read up this paper to expand your knowledge on the risks and toxicity of geoengineering:

Evidence of Coal-Fly-Ash Toxic Chemical Geoengineering in the Troposphere: Consequences for Public Health: http://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/12/8/9375/htm

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... a paper that is a monumental example of pseudo-science. The article’s author is J. Marvin Herndon ... Publishing a paper in an MDPI journal only means that one is able to afford the author fee. It does not mean the paper represents valid, vetted science."
https://scholarlyoa.com/2015/08/25/more-pseudo-science-from-swiss-chinese-publisher-mdpi/
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« Reply #46 on: 10/04/2016 17:34:24 »

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IJERPH is a member of the Committee on Publication Ethics (COPE). MDPI takes the responsibility to enforce a rigorous peer-review together with strict ethical policies and standards to ensure to add high quality scientific works to the field of scholarly publication. Unfortunately, cases of plagiarism, data falsification, inappropriate authorship credit, and the like, do arise. MDPI takes such publishing ethics issues very seriously and our editors are trained to proceed in such cases with a zero tolerance policy. To verify the originality of content submitted to our journals, we use CrossCheck (powered by iThenticate) to check submissions against previous publications. MDPI works with Publons to provide reviewers with credit for their work.

MDPI is a reputable peer-reviewed scientific journal and Dr. Marvin Herndon is a senior and internationally recognized scientist. See: http://www.nuclearplanet.com/advances.html

To deny that coal fly ash particles are toxic and to affirm that geoengineering is harmless is a blatant lie and an attempt to brainwash the public about typical geoengineering pseudoscience. Dr. Marvin Herndon papers and research on geoengineering is progression of the truth.

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« Reply #47 on: 10/04/2016 19:49:38 »

I guess you meant "Why are we poisoning ourselves" ?

What a silly thing to guess.
I meant why are they poisoning themselves.
The drink the same water, eat the same food and breathe the same air.
If we get poisoned, so do they.
 

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« Reply #48 on: 10/04/2016 19:53:57 »

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IJERPH is a member of the Committee on Publication Ethics (COPE). MDPI takes the responsibility to enforce a rigorous peer-review together with strict ethical policies and standards to ensure to add high quality scientific works to the field of scholarly publication. Unfortunately, cases of plagiarism, data falsification, inappropriate authorship credit, and the like, do arise. MDPI takes such publishing ethics issues very seriously and our editors are trained to proceed in such cases with a zero tolerance policy. To verify the originality of content submitted to our journals, we use CrossCheck (powered by iThenticate) to check submissions against previous publications. MDPI works with Publons to provide reviewers with credit for their work.

MDPI is a reputable peer-reviewed scientific journal and Dr. Marvin Herndon is a senior and internationally recognized scientist. See: http://www.nuclearplanet.com/advances.html

To deny that coal fly ash particles are toxic and to affirm that geoengineering is harmless is a blatant lie and an attempt to brainwash the public about typical geoengineering pseudoscience. Dr. Marvin Herndon papers and research on geoengineering is progression of the truth.


Nobody denies that the stuff is toxic.
But the only people who say it is being used for "geoengineering" in the way you suggest are frittloops.
There is no evidence to support that suggestion.
Re. "MDPI is a reputable peer-reviewed scientific journal "
No it is not. Not if they publish stuff like that.
 

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« Reply #49 on: 10/04/2016 20:27:20 »
Nobody denies that the stuff is toxic.
But the only people who say it is being used for "geoengineering" in the way you suggest are frittloops.
There is no evidence to support that suggestion.
Re. "MDPI is a reputable peer-reviewed scientific journal "
No it is not. Not if they publish stuff like that.

The true conspiracy theory is the non-sense idea that "contrails, or condensation trails, are "streaks of condensed water vapor created in the air by an airplane or rocket at high altitudes". The clandestine geoengineering hypothesis of Dr. Marvin Herndon at least provide an intelligent explanation to this phenomenon. Thus, I believe either you're being disinformed or you refuse to admit the toxicity of geoengineering, even when confronted to a peer-reviewed scientific study. How could you contribute to a scientific forum if you omit to examine the evidences?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory#Contrails_as_chemtrails
 

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