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Geoengineering is a covert operation to induce artificial climate changes
Quote from: tkadm30 on 16/12/2015 20:53:40Geoengineering is a covert operation to induce artificial climate changesThat's a pretty bold statement; what is your evidence to support this claim?
If this is a covert operation how come you know about it?
What is your evidence that the mass media are covering up these actions? You do realise that the mass media is not a single entity, with a single agenda? At what point did Putin and Obama agree to implement this program? If they did not agree, what motivates one not to "rat out" the other?
Quote from: Ophiolite on 18/12/2015 09:56:03If this is a covert operation how come you know about it? I have become aware of theses large-scale climate modifications by observing how cumulus clouds are artificially seeded by military aircrafts spraying (synthetic) aerosol particles in the atmosphere. The observed effect is a global dimming or reduction of the sun radiative energy and cooling on Earth surface.QuoteWhat is your evidence that the mass media are covering up these actions? You do realise that the mass media is not a single entity, with a single agenda? At what point did Putin and Obama agree to implement this program? If they did not agree, what motivates one not to "rat out" the other?I believe that 9/11 is an important historical event in the geoengineering timeline. Mass medias (owned by global corporations) are likely to cooperate into Putin/Obama plans to globally orchestrate geoengineering through United Nations climate changes framework.
So all you have are unfounded beliefs, foolish opinions and fanciful interpretations of world events. If you were serious in your concern you would be offering substantial evidence and reasoned arguments, not a tissue of nonsense.
The effects of theses solid aerosols on human neurocognitive functions and behavior...
Are you sure that you are not confusing the neurocognitive impacts of government-dispersed solid aerosols with the neurocognitive impacts self-administered volatilized aerosols?
... clouds are artificially seeded by military aircrafts spraying (synthetic) aerosol particles in the atmosphere ...
I'm interested in engineered aerosols injections in the stratosphere: Could geoengineering be potentially harmful to humans? How may engineered aerosols delivers molecular compounds to the brain? What are long-term effects of aerosols exposure on cognitive functions?
Marijuana smokers are far more likely to have their cognition modified by that drug than by any hypothetical substance released from an aircraft which is miles away from them.
Is cognitive dissonance affecting your ability to understand how solar geoengineering is potentially a case of chemical terrorism over civilian populations?
You're giving these people way too much credit. They simply smell money, and are going for it, and damn the consequences. And they're happy to bribe all the regulators to keep pretending global warming and mass die-offs are a "controversy", just like evolution. Just typical republicans.
would it be any worse than inhaling ash or fumes from burning organic material? probably not, but regardless this is why we need to invest heavily in health and medical technology so we can repair the people were inadvertently making sick, we also need to relentlessly stress physical fitness and nutrition so people's own biology/immune systems/brain have a fighting chance to counter this inevitable flood of pollution were creating
While academicians debate geoengineering as an activity that might potentially be needed in the future [2,3], evidence suggests that Western governments/militaries moved ahead with a full scale operational geoengineering program. But instead of mining and milling rock to produce artificial volcanic ash in sufficient volumes to cool the planet, they adopted a low-cost, pragmatic alternative, but one with consequences far more dire to life on Earth than global warming might ever be, and used coal combustion fly ash. To make matters worse, instead of placing the material high into the stratosphere, where there is minimal mixing and the substance might remain suspended for a year or more, they opted to spray coal fly ash into the lower atmosphere, the troposphere, which mixes with the air people breathe and gets rained down to ground.
The best indications are that the material used in the program is a white powder that comes dirt cheap to the government from the coal-burning utilities that produce millions of tons of coal fly ash every year. The official sun-enhancing and sun-altering pollution over Hamilton County is euphemistically called CCR, or combustion coal residual. It is toxic, and contains aluminum, arsenic and other pollutants, according to J. Marvin Herndon, a scientist in San Diego who does not rely on government funding for his research.The TVA coal-fired plant at Gallatin produces 130,000 tons of coal waste daily. It is in the news this week for bringing on line its last of four selective catalytic reduction devices to reduce nitrogen oxide emissions in Middle Tennessee. TVA has spent three years and F$730 million on the project. Earlier scrubber projects have taken care of reducing fly ash emissions. Nearly half of fly ash production is recycled, with some evidently being purchased by government agents for the current stratospheric aerosol geoengineering program I have covered here since April 2014.
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Arsenic toxicity is a worldwide health concern as several millions of people are exposed to this toxicant via drinking water, and exposure affects almost every organ system in the body including the brain. Recent studies have shown that even low concentrations of arsenic impair neurological function, particularly in children. This review will focus on the current epidemiological evidence of arsenic neurotoxicity in children and adults, with emphasis on cognitive dysfunction, including learning and memory deficits and mood disorders. We provide a cohesive synthesis of the animal studies that have focused on neural mechanisms of dysfunction after arsenic exposure including altered epigenetics; hippocampal function; glucocorticoid and hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal axis (HPA) pathway signaling; glutamatergic, cholinergic and monoaminergic signaling; adult neurogenesis; and increased Alzheimer’s-associated pathologies. Finally, we briefly discuss new studies focusing on therapeutic strategies to combat arsenic toxicity including the use of selenium and zinc.
Dimethyl sulfate is carcinogenic and mutagenic, highly poisonous, corrosive, environmentally hazardous and volatile (presenting an inhalation hazard). It is considered a potential chemical weapon
Yet more evidences of the toxicity of geoengineering.Dimethyl and monomethyl sulfate: presence in coal fly ash and airborne particulate matter.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7350652QuoteDimethyl sulfate is carcinogenic and mutagenic, highly poisonous, corrosive, environmentally hazardous and volatile (presenting an inhalation hazard). It is considered a potential chemical weaponhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyl_sulfate#Safety
I noticed that military planes sometimes release aerosols by doing a X-shape pattern in the sky. This always happens on clear and sunny days. Is there a logical explanation in doing a X-like motion to dissipate the aerosol
But that's not the real question; this is . If "They" are putting "poisons" in the air how come "They" are not being poisoned?Or are you saying that they are going to a lot or trouble to poison themselves?
... the elite's depopulation plans.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 02/04/2016 01:28:38But that's not the real question; this is . If "They" are putting "poisons" in the air how come "They" are not being poisoned?Or are you saying that they are going to a lot or trouble to poison themselves?This might be a case of suicidal ideation (lookup "democide"). By purposefully releasing toxic coal fly ash particles in the troposhere, the governments must be aware of the deleterious effects of such operations on public health.Notice also that dimethyl sulfate is mutagenic and carcinogenic. This could means the method used for soft-killing humanity is through cancer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcinogen I guess the real question should be why scientists and doctors are silent about the elite's depopulation plans.
Just for a start, dimethyl sulphate is not stable in the presence of water so it's not going to be a problem in rain.
What you seem to be saying is that the elite want to kill themselves- even though they are in a positions to enjoy themselves however they like.Have you thought that through?
Quote from: Bored chemist on 02/04/2016 14:39:21Just for a start, dimethyl sulphate is not stable in the presence of water so it's not going to be a problem in rain.Airborne particulates of dimethyl sulphate are a potential risk for the environment: Coal fly ash aerosols exposure may affect lung and brain function.Quote from: Bored chemistWhat you seem to be saying is that the elite want to kill themselves- even though they are in a positions to enjoy themselves however they like.Have you thought that through?One should probably not deny the weaponization of geoengineering: Coal fly ash particles are toxic for human health.
Indeed. Human intelligence perhaps created this nefarious activity. However, we have the right to breath non-toxic air since breathing is part of human nature. Anyone who attempt to poison us by inducing a slow death is a dangerous criminal. Likewise, water is essential to life. The poisoning of air/water interface with toxic chemical weapons is a threat to humanity.
"Airborne particulates of dimethyl sulphate are a potential risk for the environment:"No.Sulphate aerosols may well be a threat to the environment (ironically, they may be it's saviour- but let's not get into that here).Dimethyl sulphate isn't stable in water- nothing you post here will change that will it?So why not stop pretending?
Dimethyl sulfate and its hydrolysis product monomethyl sulfate have been found at concentrations as high as 830 parts per million in fly ash and in airborne particulate matter from coal combustion processes. This discovery poses a new environmental problem because of the mutagenic and carcinogenic properties of these compounds.
"One should probably not deny the weaponization of geoengineering"Why not?There is no actual evidence that it's happening, so why not deny it?
As I asked (and you ignored), how do "they" stop themselves getting poisoned too?
Yes, all very nice, but, ever since we discovered fire, we have been doing all those things.Do you really want to stop?
Although seemingly unacknowledged in publicly accessible reports and in scientific literature as a potential material for geoengineering, coal fly ash is one major global waste product stream with the appropriate grain-size distribution for aerosolized tropospheric spraying that is readily available at extremely low cost and with existent processing and transport infrastructure. The author submits the following hypothesis: Coal fly ash is most likely the aerosolized particulate sprayed in the troposphere by tanker-jets for geoengineering, weather-modification and climate-modification purposesThe ultra-fine particles of aerosolized coal fly ash do not remain at tanker-jet operational altitudes: they mix with and pollute the air people breathe. Tropospheric aerosol coal fly ash can potentially endanger humans through two primary routes: (1) ingestion of rainwater-extract of coal fly ash toxins, directly or after concentration by evaporation and (2) particulate intake through inhalation or through contact with the eyes or skin . In the latter instance, harm to humans can arise from in situ body-fluid extraction of coal fly ash toxins  as well as from the consequences of tissue contact . Coal fly ash that is PM2.5 is readily entrained in terminal airways and alveoli and retained in the lungs for long periods of time; the small grain size enables it to penetrate and reach deep within the airways where it can cause inflammation and pulmonary injury .Coal fly ash contains a host of potentially leachable toxins, including aluminum, arsenic, barium, beryllium, boron, cadmium, chromium (III), chromium (IV), cobalt, lead, manganese, mercury, selenium, strontium, thallium, thorium, and uranium. Coal fly ash has been described as being more radioactive than nuclear waste . Moreover, many of the most toxic elements are enriched in the PM2.5 component of coal fly ash . Whether or not the coal fly ash used for geoengineering is selectively enriched in PM2.5 is not known, but enrichment in the small particle size fraction would be advantageous in yielding greater surface area for sunlight reflection.
Why are they poisoning themselves?
In the absence of viable other sources, the evidence is that the coal fly ash is likely the substance being placed in the atmosphere by tanker jets. That is consistent with the nature of the material, and its availability from existing production facilities. Yes, this needs to be proven conclusively. But it is a misrepresentation to state “is not clear what the source of these chemicals is”. Science involves the progressive replacing of less precise understanding with more precise understanding. Indeed, much of the current underlying understanding in the natural physical sciences is in a sense “preliminary” and subject to revision by subsequent more precise understanding, but that is no reason or basis to prevent publication of relevant evidence.
How many additional children will suffer from autism? What unknown birth defects will come to light? Why should those with compromised immune and respiratory systems suffer? How many premature cases of Alzheimer’s will result? How many elderly will die prematurely? Why do women, the traditional protectors of the young, keep their silence? Where is their humanity? Instead of calling for debate on a future hypothetical, in my view McNutt should be calling for a Nuremberg-like Tribunal to bring to trial those responsible for the on-going toxic spraying which, I allege, constitutes crimes against humanity and crimes against Earth’s biota.
The retraction of Herndon paper provide evidences that a organization is committed to promote ignorance and deception about the toxicity of geoengineering.
Alternative explanation : his paper contained huge errors ... https://debunkingdenialism.com/2015/09/05/flawed-chemtrails-paper-by-herndon-retracted/
... I suggest you read up this paper to expand your knowledge on the risks and toxicity of geoengineering:Evidence of Coal-Fly-Ash Toxic Chemical Geoengineering in the Troposphere: Consequences for Public Health: http://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/12/8/9375/htm
... a paper that is a monumental example of pseudo-science. The article’s author is J. Marvin Herndon ... Publishing a paper in an MDPI journal only means that one is able to afford the author fee. It does not mean the paper represents valid, vetted science."
IJERPH is a member of the Committee on Publication Ethics (COPE). MDPI takes the responsibility to enforce a rigorous peer-review together with strict ethical policies and standards to ensure to add high quality scientific works to the field of scholarly publication. Unfortunately, cases of plagiarism, data falsification, inappropriate authorship credit, and the like, do arise. MDPI takes such publishing ethics issues very seriously and our editors are trained to proceed in such cases with a zero tolerance policy. To verify the originality of content submitted to our journals, we use CrossCheck (powered by iThenticate) to check submissions against previous publications. MDPI works with Publons to provide reviewers with credit for their work.
I guess you meant "Why are we poisoning ourselves" ?
QuoteIJERPH is a member of the Committee on Publication Ethics (COPE). MDPI takes the responsibility to enforce a rigorous peer-review together with strict ethical policies and standards to ensure to add high quality scientific works to the field of scholarly publication. Unfortunately, cases of plagiarism, data falsification, inappropriate authorship credit, and the like, do arise. MDPI takes such publishing ethics issues very seriously and our editors are trained to proceed in such cases with a zero tolerance policy. To verify the originality of content submitted to our journals, we use CrossCheck (powered by iThenticate) to check submissions against previous publications. MDPI works with Publons to provide reviewers with credit for their work.MDPI is a reputable peer-reviewed scientific journal and Dr. Marvin Herndon is a senior and internationally recognized scientist. See: http://www.nuclearplanet.com/advances.htmlTo deny that coal fly ash particles are toxic and to affirm that geoengineering is harmless is a blatant lie and an attempt to brainwash the public about typical geoengineering pseudoscience. Dr. Marvin Herndon papers and research on geoengineering is progression of the truth.
Nobody denies that the stuff is toxic.But the only people who say it is being used for "geoengineering" in the way you suggest are frittloops.There is no evidence to support that suggestion.Re. "MDPI is a reputable peer-reviewed scientific journal "No it is not. Not if they publish stuff like that.