Is geoengineering destroying life?

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Is geoengineering destroying life?
« on: 16/12/2015 20:53:40 »
Geoengineering is a covert operation to induce artificial climate changes and regulate the environment through emissions of coal fly-ash particles in the troposphere.

Moreover the possibility that theses classified nanoparticles affect human health is controversial, despite studies which demonstrated that such nanoparticles can have a impact on human physiology: http://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/12/8/9375/htm

Is therefore existing a dual-purpose to geoengineering in systematically altering Earth albedo ?

Could geoengineering modify the ecosystem and destroy life based on the imperatives of climate changes ?
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« Reply #1 on: 17/12/2015 08:36:09 »
Geoengineering is a covert operation to induce artificial climate changes

That's a pretty bold statement; what is your evidence to support this claim?
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« Reply #2 on: 17/12/2015 10:46:15 »
Geoengineering is a covert operation to induce artificial climate changes

That's a pretty bold statement; what is your evidence to support this claim?

I believe that the mass media cover up of geoengineering is an evidence that theses operations are done to systematically alter Earth albedo, thus inducing large-scale modifications of the climate and causing arbitrary damage to the ecosystems.
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« Reply #3 on: 18/12/2015 09:56:03 »
If this is a covert operation how come you know about it?

What is your evidence that the mass media are covering up these actions? You do realise that the mass media is not a single entity, with a single agenda? At what point did Putin and Obama agree to implement this program? If they did not agree, what motivates one not to "rat out" the other?
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« Reply #4 on: 18/12/2015 11:47:00 »
If this is a covert operation how come you know about it?
I have become aware of theses large-scale climate modifications by observing how cumulus clouds are artificially seeded by military aircrafts spraying (coal fly ash) aerosol particles in the atmosphere. The observed effect is a global dimming or reduction of the sun radiative energy and cooling on Earth surface.

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What is your evidence that the mass media are covering up these actions? You do realise that the mass media is not a single entity, with a single agenda? At what point did Putin and Obama agree to implement this program? If they did not agree, what motivates one not to "rat out" the other?

I believe that 9/11 is an important historical event in the geoengineering timeline. Mass medias (owned by global corporations) are likely to cooperate into Putin/Obama plans to globally orchestrate geoengineering through United Nations climate changes framework.
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« Reply #5 on: 19/12/2015 12:02:19 »
At this time, geoengineering is recognized as a temporary "hack" to reduce global temperature rise. But everyone realizes that it will have unforseeable consequences, there will be winners and losers, and there is always the fear that it could be turned into a weapon.

There are various international conventions that could be read as banning geoengineering (or they could also be read as requiring it!). So at this point in time, there is an unofficial moratorium on geoengineering projects.

The SPICE project in the UK designed techniques that could be used for geoengineering, but it was canceled before it could field test some of the equipment it had developed.

Meanwhile, in what could be considered a large-scale, uncontrolled, non-covert experiment in geoengineering, humans are pumping more CO2 into the atmosphere than we ever have before. There is also considerable SO2 from high sulphur fuels, which have largely been regulated for land use, but are still widely used to power container ships.

In a more controlled experiment, the Montreal Protocol is causing us to emit less CFCs into the atmosphere than we did 20 years ago. These are potent greenhouse gases, as well as destroying the ozone layer. 

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« Reply #6 on: 19/12/2015 12:12:30 »
One thing about particles in the atmosphere is rain will wash these particles from the sky. Water in clouds often uses micron sized particles as nucleation centers, onto which a water droplet will form. Rain can also extract CO2 and other gases like SO2, since these will react with water to form acids, which are now liquids at room temperature.

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« Reply #7 on: 19/12/2015 12:49:18 »
I believe the injection of solid aerosol in the troposphere may affect living organisms by
molecular delivery of nanoparticles;

I think solar geoengineering is more than a hack: Chemical terrorism is potentially a source of neurotoxicity
to humans.
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« Reply #8 on: 19/12/2015 14:35:09 »
If this is a covert operation how come you know about it?
I have become aware of theses large-scale climate modifications by observing how cumulus clouds are artificially seeded by military aircrafts spraying (synthetic) aerosol particles in the atmosphere. The observed effect is a global dimming or reduction of the sun radiative energy and cooling on Earth surface.

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What is your evidence that the mass media are covering up these actions? You do realise that the mass media is not a single entity, with a single agenda? At what point did Putin and Obama agree to implement this program? If they did not agree, what motivates one not to "rat out" the other?

I believe that 9/11 is an important historical event in the geoengineering timeline. Mass medias (owned by global corporations) are likely to cooperate into Putin/Obama plans to globally orchestrate geoengineering through United Nations climate changes framework.
So all you have are unfounded beliefs, foolish opinions and fanciful interpretations of world events. If you were serious in your concern you would be offering substantial evidence and reasoned arguments, not a tissue of nonsense.
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« Reply #9 on: 19/12/2015 15:03:04 »
So all you have are unfounded beliefs, foolish opinions and fanciful interpretations of world events. If you were serious in your concern you would be offering substantial evidence and reasoned arguments, not a tissue of nonsense.

Thanks, I appreciate your criticism; But i'm convinced that the war on terror and geoengineering may well be connected through evidences of state-sponsored chemical terrorism. Thus, the dual-purposes of geoengineering may lie in the systematic modification of biodiversity through chemical injections of engineered aerosols with probable effects on human physiology. The effects of theses solid aerosols on human neurocognitive functions and behavior probably explain the cover up of mass media using cognitive dissonance and disinformation to coerce the use of geoengineering for climate changes.
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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #10 on: 19/12/2015 21:19:20 »
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The effects of theses solid aerosols on human neurocognitive functions and behavior...
Are you sure that you are not confusing the neurocognitive impacts of inhaling:
  • low concentrations of solid aerosols dispersed from government aircraft with
  • high concentrations of self-administered volatilized aerosols?
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« Reply #11 on: 19/12/2015 21:40:40 »
Are you sure that you are not confusing the neurocognitive impacts of government-dispersed solid aerosols with the neurocognitive impacts self-administered volatilized aerosols?

I'm interested in engineered aerosols injections in the stratosphere: Could geoengineering be potentially harmful to humans? How may engineered aerosols delivers molecular compounds to the brain? What are long-term effects of aerosols exposure on cognitive functions?
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« Reply #12 on: 20/12/2015 04:53:48 »
... clouds are artificially seeded by military aircrafts spraying (synthetic) aerosol particles in the atmosphere ...

"chem-trails" conspiracy-theorists believe that too.
You've stated you're pro-legalization of marijuana, a drug that can cause paranoia.  [conspiracy theorist = paranoiac ].

I'm interested in engineered aerosols injections in the stratosphere: Could geoengineering be potentially harmful to humans? How may engineered aerosols delivers molecular compounds to the brain? What are long-term effects of aerosols exposure on cognitive functions?

Marijuana smokers are far more likely to have their cognition modified by that drug than by any hypothetical substance released from an aircraft which is miles away from them.
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« Reply #13 on: 20/12/2015 11:15:42 »
Marijuana smokers are far more likely to have their cognition modified by that drug than by any hypothetical substance released from an aircraft which is miles away from them.

Comparing geoengineering to marijuana smoking is not a rational argument to disapprove the probable effects of geoengineering on living organisms; It only remind me that Marijuana is a potential neuroprotective agent against chemically-induced adverse effects of solar geoengineering.

Is cognitive dissonance affecting your ability to understand how solar geoengineering is potentially a case of chemical terrorism over civilian populations?
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« Reply #14 on: 21/12/2015 18:09:30 »
Is cognitive dissonance affecting your ability to understand how solar geoengineering is potentially a case of chemical terrorism over civilian populations?
This rather seems to be the case of the pot calling the polar bear black. (Readers may form their own conclusions as to nature of the pot.)
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« Reply #15 on: 21/12/2015 19:01:11 »
I'm not sure I understand your metaphor completely, but the following explain well the fundamental issue
with geoengineering weaponization:


"Another form of unilateral action is military use of the technology. In fact, the weaponization of
geoengineering is not unprecedented; the United States artificially induced rain to cause flooding during
the Vietnam War [Robock,2008].
The issue of weaponization has since been addressed by the U.N.
Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification
Techniques which has 85 signatory nations [Robock, 2008].
Engineered nanoparticles would be desirable from a military standpoint since particle characteristics like atmospheric lifetime could be tailored to suit weapons applications.
Nanoscientists would be faced with the possibility that their work could be misappropriated for military use"

http://wiki.phy.queensu.ca/shughes/images/8/88/NANO_geoeng_report.pdf
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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #16 on: 24/12/2015 13:30:45 »
I wonder if militarization of science is the fundamental problem with geoengineering. How can military applications of geoengineering using engineered aerosols is a more profitable technology than medicinal applications of nanoparticles ?

This is not a cannabis related topic... I don't understand why the logic to connect cannabis science to nanotechnology and geoengineering are correlated.

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« Reply #17 on: 19/02/2016 20:06:29 »
You're giving these people way too much credit. They simply smell money, and are going for it, and damn the consequences. And they're happy to bribe all the regulators to keep pretending global warming and mass die-offs are a "controversy", just like evolution. Just typical republicans.

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« Reply #18 on: 20/02/2016 11:04:11 »
You're giving these people way too much credit. They simply smell money, and are going for it, and damn the consequences. And they're happy to bribe all the regulators to keep pretending global warming and mass die-offs are a "controversy", just like evolution. Just typical republicans.

The aerial spraying of unidentified aerosol in the stratosphere may affect global ecosystems. Canada seems resolved in geoengineering the climate. Follow the money...
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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #19 on: 13/03/2016 22:40:29 »
I noticed that military planes sometimes release aerosols by doing a X-shape pattern in the sky. This always happens on clear and sunny days. Is there a logical explanation in doing a X-like motion to dissipate the aerosol
over urban areas? My hypothesis is that the X-like pattern usage is for geographically marking the area as a strategic target for artificial clouds formation.
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« Reply #20 on: 14/03/2016 00:45:13 »
would it be any worse than inhaling ash or fumes from burning organic material? probably not, but regardless this is why we need to invest heavily in health and medical technology so we can repair the people were inadvertently making sick, we also need to relentlessly stress physical fitness and nutrition so people's own biology/immune systems/brain have a fighting chance to counter this inevitable flood of pollution were creating

if the government views climate engineering to be a net benefit but with some obvious negative health effects, we should be pressuring government to be up front about it so we as individuals can atleast prepare our bodies for the abuse life throws at it, physiological health is very adaptable when properly trained just as psychological health is also very adaptable when properly educated, the mind and body are extraordinary resistance machines designed to be used and abused for our pleasure

i have a much bigger problem with the lazy big pharma industry scheming with the government to hold a monopoly on drugs via criminalization, if big pharma cannot create a superior product than nature then big pharma does not deserve our money, in reality the immensely talented opium farmers in afghanistan should be the ones paid the billions currently being extorted by the western pharmaceutical-law enforcement war machine

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« Reply #21 on: 14/03/2016 10:38:45 »
would it be any worse than inhaling ash or fumes from burning organic material? probably not, but regardless this is why we need to invest heavily in health and medical technology so we can repair the people were inadvertently making sick, we also need to relentlessly stress physical fitness and nutrition so people's own biology/immune systems/brain have a fighting chance to counter this inevitable flood of pollution were creating

Inhaling fumes from smoking is a choice, but breathing fresh air is mandatory for living organisms. I think governments should not jeopardize public health for political reasons like global warming.

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While academicians debate geoengineering as an activity that might potentially be needed in the future [2,3], evidence suggests that Western governments/militaries moved ahead with a full scale operational geoengineering program. But instead of mining and milling rock to produce artificial volcanic ash in sufficient volumes to cool the planet, they adopted a low-cost, pragmatic alternative, but one with consequences far more dire to life on Earth than global warming might ever be, and used coal combustion fly ash. To make matters worse, instead of placing the material high into the stratosphere, where there is minimal mixing and the substance might remain suspended for a year or more, they opted to spray coal fly ash into the lower atmosphere, the troposphere, which mixes with the air people breathe and gets rained down to ground.

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Evidence of Coal-Fly-Ash Toxic Chemical Geoengineering in the Troposphere: Consequences for Public Health http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4555286/

NB: This paper has been retracted, but it remains highly informative. I guess research on the toxicity of geoengineering is controversial because of the pervasive nature of such activity on public health. In addition, identification of coal combustion fly ash as the primary particulate being released in the troposphere is a major scientific discovery!
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« Reply #22 on: 23/03/2016 11:50:50 »
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The best indications are that the material used in the program is a white powder that comes dirt cheap to the government from the coal-burning utilities that produce millions of tons of coal fly ash every year. The official sun-enhancing and sun-altering pollution over Hamilton County is euphemistically called CCR, or combustion coal residual. It is toxic, and contains aluminum, arsenic and other pollutants, according to J. Marvin Herndon, a scientist in San Diego who does not rely on government funding for his research.

The TVA coal-fired plant at Gallatin produces 130,000 tons of coal waste daily. It is in the news this week for bringing on line its last of four selective catalytic reduction devices to reduce nitrogen oxide emissions in Middle Tennessee. TVA has spent three years and F$730 million on the project. Earlier scrubber projects have taken care of reducing fly ash emissions. Nearly half of fly ash production is recycled, with some evidently being purchased by government agents for the current stratospheric aerosol geoengineering program I have covered here since April 2014.

Notes:
- Barium titanate is produced from coal fly ash.
- Barium titanate appears to be a potassium channel blocker:

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Barium is a competitive potassium channel antagonist that blocks the passive efflux of intracellular potassium, resulting in a shift of potassium from extracellular to intracellular compartments. The intracellular translocation of potassium results in a decreased resting membrane potential, making the muscle fibers electrically unexcitable and causing paralysis. Some of these barium's effects may also be due to barium induced neuromuscular blockade and membrane depolarization.

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Geoengineering sky stripes threat to human health, study says - http://nooganomics.com/2016/02/geoengineering-sky-stripes-threat-to-human-health-study-says/

Assessing the direct occupational and public health impacts of solar radiation management with stratospheric aerosols - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4717532/

Barium titanate - http://www.t3db.ca/toxins/T3D1124
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« Reply #23 on: 27/03/2016 11:34:09 »
Coal fly ash (CFA) may contains traces of arsenic.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921344911000541

Arsenic is a compound commonly used in pesticides...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenic
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« Reply #24 on: 27/03/2016 12:28:10 »
Arsenic is a neurotoxicant. The biotoxicity of geoengineering is undeniable.

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Arsenic toxicity is a worldwide health concern as several millions of people are exposed to this toxicant via drinking water, and exposure affects almost every organ system in the body including the brain. Recent studies have shown that even low concentrations of arsenic impair neurological function, particularly in children. This review will focus on the current epidemiological evidence of arsenic neurotoxicity in children and adults, with emphasis on cognitive dysfunction, including learning and memory deficits and mood disorders. We provide a cohesive synthesis of the animal studies that have focused on neural mechanisms of dysfunction after arsenic exposure including altered epigenetics; hippocampal function; glucocorticoid and hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal axis (HPA) pathway signaling; glutamatergic, cholinergic and monoaminergic signaling; adult neurogenesis; and increased Alzheimer’s-associated pathologies. Finally, we briefly discuss new studies focusing on therapeutic strategies to combat arsenic toxicity including the use of selenium and zinc.

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« Reply #25 on: 27/03/2016 12:51:50 »
I know that it is good to be tolleratnt to those who need education. I am often in that catagory. But since this is a science forum should it be a platform for the mad to polute our collective mean space with utter drivel?

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« Reply #26 on: 27/03/2016 13:35:58 »
Maybe you're just annoyed and uncomfortable with truth? Anyways, please don't blame the messenger, unless you appreciate trolling on science forums to affirm your definite ignorance...
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« Reply #27 on: 01/04/2016 19:24:42 »
Yet more evidences of the toxicity of geoengineering.

Dimethyl and monomethyl sulfate: presence in coal fly ash and airborne particulate matter.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7350652

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Dimethyl sulfate is carcinogenic[7] and mutagenic, highly poisonous, corrosive, environmentally hazardous and volatile (presenting an inhalation hazard). It is considered a potential chemical weapon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyl_sulfate#Safety
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« Reply #28 on: 02/04/2016 01:28:38 »
Yet more evidences of the toxicity of geoengineering.

Dimethyl and monomethyl sulfate: presence in coal fly ash and airborne particulate matter.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7350652

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Dimethyl sulfate is carcinogenic[7] and mutagenic, highly poisonous, corrosive, environmentally hazardous and volatile (presenting an inhalation hazard). It is considered a potential chemical weapon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyl_sulfate#Safety
Ash and smoke always contained lots of nasty chemicals.
Do you think this was "geoengineering"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephenson%27s_Rocket

But that's not the real question; this is . If "They" are putting "poisons" in the air how come "They" are not being poisoned?
Or are you saying that they are going to a lot or trouble to poison themselves?

I don't think you have thought this through.
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« Reply #29 on: 02/04/2016 01:31:57 »
I noticed that military planes sometimes release aerosols by doing a X-shape pattern in the sky. This always happens on clear and sunny days. Is there a logical explanation in doing a X-like motion to dissipate the aerosol

No.
There is no logical explanation for " doing a X-like motion to dissipate the aerosol" so they must be doing it for some other reason.
You seem to be arguing against yourself.
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« Reply #30 on: 02/04/2016 11:32:14 »

But that's not the real question; this is . If "They" are putting "poisons" in the air how come "They" are not being poisoned?
Or are you saying that they are going to a lot or trouble to poison themselves?

This might be a case of suicidal ideation (lookup "democide"). By purposefully releasing toxic coal fly ash particles in the troposhere, the governments must be aware of the deleterious effects of such operations on public health.

Notice also that dimethyl sulfate is mutagenic and carcinogenic. This could means the method used for soft-killing humanity is through cancer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcinogen

I guess the real question should be why scientists and doctors are silent about the elite's depopulation plans.
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« Reply #31 on: 02/04/2016 13:56:28 »
... the elite's depopulation plans.

That " they are trying to kill us"  message was brought to you by the Paranoia Party, ( a subsidiary of the "Cannabis cures everything*" group ). 

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« Reply #32 on: 02/04/2016 14:39:21 »

But that's not the real question; this is . If "They" are putting "poisons" in the air how come "They" are not being poisoned?
Or are you saying that they are going to a lot or trouble to poison themselves?

This might be a case of suicidal ideation (lookup "democide"). By purposefully releasing toxic coal fly ash particles in the troposhere, the governments must be aware of the deleterious effects of such operations on public health.

Notice also that dimethyl sulfate is mutagenic and carcinogenic. This could means the method used for soft-killing humanity is through cancer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcinogen

I guess the real question should be why scientists and doctors are silent about the elite's depopulation plans.

Just for a start, dimethyl sulphate is not stable in the presence of water so it's not going to be a problem in rain.
"I guess the real question should be why scientists and doctors are silent about the elite's depopulation plans."

The real answer is that there are no such plans for doctors and scientists to say anything about.
(It's also just plain bloody stupid; without a population to exploit- they wouldn't stay "elite" for very long.)

What you seem to be saying is that the elite want to kill themselves- even though they are in a positions to enjoy themselves however they like.
Have you thought that through?
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« Reply #33 on: 05/04/2016 10:59:04 »
Just for a start, dimethyl sulphate is not stable in the presence of water so it's not going to be a problem in rain.

Airborne particulates of dimethyl sulphate are a potential risk for the environment: Coal fly ash aerosols exposure may affect lung and brain function.

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What you seem to be saying is that the elite want to kill themselves- even though they are in a positions to enjoy themselves however they like.
Have you thought that through?

One should probably not deny the weaponization of geoengineering: Coal fly ash particles are toxic for human health.
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« Reply #34 on: 05/04/2016 11:11:16 »
WE started to destroy the planet the very moment we started to extract oil, a thermal barrier removed .   For every mine we dig we create structural weakness in the planet,    for every fire we light we create change.


Is geo-engineering destroying life?   NO, life is destroying life by doing the geo-engineering.

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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #35 on: 05/04/2016 11:23:37 »
Indeed. Human intelligence perhaps created this nefarious activity. However, we have the right to breath non-toxic air since breathing is part of human nature. Anyone who attempt to poison us by inducing a slow death is a dangerous criminal. Likewise, water is essential to life. The poisoning of air/water interface with toxic chemical weapons is a threat to humanity.
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« Reply #36 on: 05/04/2016 20:48:40 »
Just for a start, dimethyl sulphate is not stable in the presence of water so it's not going to be a problem in rain.

Airborne particulates of dimethyl sulphate are a potential risk for the environment: Coal fly ash aerosols exposure may affect lung and brain function.

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What you seem to be saying is that the elite want to kill themselves- even though they are in a positions to enjoy themselves however they like.
Have you thought that through?

One should probably not deny the weaponization of geoengineering: Coal fly ash particles are toxic for human health.

"Airborne particulates of dimethyl sulphate are a potential risk for the environment:"
No.
Sulphate aerosols may well be a threat to the environment (ironically, they may be it's saviour- but let's not get into that here).
Dimethyl sulphate isn't stable in water- nothing you post here will change that will it?
So why not stop pretending?

"One should probably not deny the weaponization of geoengineering"
Why not?
There is no actual evidence that it's happening, so  why not deny it?
" Coal fly ash particles are toxic for human health."
Well, how fortunate that they get largely scrubbed out at the point of production and used to make cement etc.
As I asked (and you ignored), how do "they" stop themselves getting poisoned too?

It simply does not make sense.


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« Reply #37 on: 05/04/2016 20:51:02 »
Indeed. Human intelligence perhaps created this nefarious activity. However, we have the right to breath non-toxic air since breathing is part of human nature. Anyone who attempt to poison us by inducing a slow death is a dangerous criminal. Likewise, water is essential to life. The poisoning of air/water interface with toxic chemical weapons is a threat to humanity.
Yes, all very nice, but, ever since we discovered fire, we have been doing all those things.
Do you really want to stop?
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« Reply #38 on: 06/04/2016 10:58:09 »
"Airborne particulates of dimethyl sulphate are a potential risk for the environment:"
No.
Sulphate aerosols may well be a threat to the environment (ironically, they may be it's saviour- but let's not get into that here).
Dimethyl sulphate isn't stable in water- nothing you post here will change that will it?
So why not stop pretending?

Are you pretending Lee study is wrong?

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Dimethyl sulfate and its hydrolysis product monomethyl sulfate have been found at concentrations as high as 830 parts per million in fly ash and in airborne particulate matter from coal combustion processes. This discovery poses a new environmental problem because of the mutagenic and carcinogenic properties of these compounds.

Coal fly ash is a neurotoxicant no matter the origins of the particulates...

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"One should probably not deny the weaponization of geoengineering"
Why not?
There is no actual evidence that it's happening, so  why not deny it?

The evidences are in the composition of CFA nanoparticles. Sulfate aerosols
releases toxic nanoparticles that may trigger diseases (Alzheimer) and cause harmful effects.

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As I asked (and you ignored), how do "they" stop themselves getting poisoned too?
Please don't ask silly questions. The governments obviously are aware of the toxicity and harmful effects of geoengineering.
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« Reply #39 on: 06/04/2016 11:10:08 »
Yes, all very nice, but, ever since we discovered fire, we have been doing all those things.
Do you really want to stop?

Scientific research should not be used against us... Otherwise what is the purpose of science
if it cannot protect us against tyranny?
 
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« Reply #40 on: 09/04/2016 21:02:12 »
Dimethyl sulphate falls apart in water with a half life of a few hours.
Any study that says otherwise is wrong.

"Coal fly ash is a neurotoxicant no matter the origins of the particulates"
well, like I said, how lucky we are that people keep good control over it (most of the time; there's bound to be the odd cock-up)

This
"Sulfate aerosols releases toxic nanoparticles that may trigger diseases "
just doesn't make sense

"The governments obviously are aware of the toxicity and harmful effects of geoengineering."
That's why it isn't a silly question.
Why are they poisoning themselves?
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« Reply #41 on: 09/04/2016 23:33:01 »
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Although seemingly unacknowledged in publicly accessible reports and in scientific literature as a potential material for geoengineering, coal fly ash is one major global waste product stream with the appropriate grain-size distribution for aerosolized tropospheric spraying that is readily available at extremely low cost and with existent processing and transport infrastructure. The author submits the following hypothesis: Coal fly ash is most likely the aerosolized particulate sprayed in the troposphere by tanker-jets for geoengineering, weather-modification and climate-modification purposes

The ultra-fine particles of aerosolized coal fly ash do not remain at tanker-jet operational altitudes: they mix with and pollute the air people breathe. Tropospheric aerosol coal fly ash can potentially endanger humans through two primary routes: (1) ingestion of rainwater-extract of coal fly ash toxins, directly or after concentration by evaporation and (2) particulate intake through inhalation or through contact with the eyes or skin [20]. In the latter instance, harm to humans can arise from in situ body-fluid extraction of coal fly ash toxins [21] as well as from the consequences of tissue contact [22]. Coal fly ash that is PM2.5 is readily entrained in terminal airways and alveoli and retained in the lungs for long periods of time; the small grain size enables it to penetrate and reach deep within the airways where it can cause inflammation and pulmonary injury [23].

Coal fly ash contains a host of potentially leachable toxins, including aluminum, arsenic, barium, beryllium, boron, cadmium, chromium (III), chromium (IV), cobalt, lead, manganese, mercury, selenium, strontium, thallium, thorium, and uranium. Coal fly ash has been described as being more radioactive than nuclear waste [24]. Moreover, many of the most toxic elements are enriched in the PM2.5 component of coal fly ash [25]. Whether or not the coal fly ash used for geoengineering is selectively enriched in PM2.5 is not known, but enrichment in the small particle size fraction would be advantageous in yielding greater surface area for sunlight reflection.

CFA is cheap material. Dumping coal fly ash in the troposhere to offset global warming may have an impact on the environment and public health. I suggest you read up this paper to expand your knowledge on the risks and toxicity of geoengineering:

Evidence of Coal-Fly-Ash Toxic Chemical Geoengineering in the Troposphere: Consequences for Public Health: http://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/12/8/9375/htm

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Why are they poisoning themselves?

I guess you meant "Why are we poisoning ourselves" ?

I'd say human stupidity is infinite. However, it seems secret societies have subverted democratic governments to promote their silly ideology. Anyways, I think the truth on geoengineering should probably become more obvious as scientific research now puts forward strong evidences of the toxicity of geoengineering, whether you like it or not...


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« Reply #42 on: 10/04/2016 14:01:54 »
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In the absence of viable other sources, the evidence is that the coal fly ash is likely the substance being placed in the atmosphere by tanker jets. That is consistent with the nature of the material, and its availability from existing production facilities. Yes, this needs to be proven conclusively. But it is a misrepresentation to state “is not clear what the source of these chemicals is”. Science involves the progressive replacing of less precise understanding with more precise understanding. Indeed, much of the current underlying understanding in the natural physical sciences is in a sense “preliminary” and subject to revision by subsequent more precise understanding, but that is no reason or basis to prevent publication of relevant evidence.

The retraction of Herndon paper provide evidences that a organization is committed to promote ignorance and deception about the toxicity of geoengineering.

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How many additional children will suffer from autism? What unknown birth defects will come to light? Why should those with compromised immune and respiratory systems suffer? How many premature cases of Alzheimer’s will result? How many elderly will die prematurely? Why do women, the traditional protectors of the young, keep their silence? Where is their humanity? Instead of calling for debate on a future hypothetical, in my view McNutt should be calling for a Nuremberg-like Tribunal to bring to trial those responsible for the on-going toxic spraying which, I allege, constitutes crimes against humanity and crimes against Earth’s biota.

The dumping of coal fly ash particles in the troposhere constitute a crime against humanity: The pseudoscience of climate change is a fraud to create ignorance and deceit about this criminal activity.

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« Reply #43 on: 10/04/2016 16:04:52 »
The retraction of Herndon paper provide evidences that a organization is committed to promote ignorance and deception about the toxicity of geoengineering.
Alternative explanation : his paper contained huge errors ... https://debunkingdenialism.com/2015/09/05/flawed-chemtrails-paper-by-herndon-retracted/

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« Reply #44 on: 10/04/2016 16:27:52 »
Alternative explanation : his paper contained huge errors ... https://debunkingdenialism.com/2015/09/05/flawed-chemtrails-paper-by-herndon-retracted/

The errors were corrected. Comments from the author about the retraction can be read here: http://nuclearplanet.com/public_rejection.pdf 
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« Reply #45 on: 10/04/2016 16:50:14 »
...  I suggest you read up this paper to expand your knowledge on the risks and toxicity of geoengineering:

Evidence of Coal-Fly-Ash Toxic Chemical Geoengineering in the Troposphere: Consequences for Public Health: http://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/12/8/9375/htm

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... a paper that is a monumental example of pseudo-science. The article’s author is J. Marvin Herndon ... Publishing a paper in an MDPI journal only means that one is able to afford the author fee. It does not mean the paper represents valid, vetted science."
https://scholarlyoa.com/2015/08/25/more-pseudo-science-from-swiss-chinese-publisher-mdpi/
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« Reply #46 on: 10/04/2016 17:34:24 »

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IJERPH is a member of the Committee on Publication Ethics (COPE). MDPI takes the responsibility to enforce a rigorous peer-review together with strict ethical policies and standards to ensure to add high quality scientific works to the field of scholarly publication. Unfortunately, cases of plagiarism, data falsification, inappropriate authorship credit, and the like, do arise. MDPI takes such publishing ethics issues very seriously and our editors are trained to proceed in such cases with a zero tolerance policy. To verify the originality of content submitted to our journals, we use CrossCheck (powered by iThenticate) to check submissions against previous publications. MDPI works with Publons to provide reviewers with credit for their work.

MDPI is a reputable peer-reviewed scientific journal and Dr. Marvin Herndon is a senior and internationally recognized scientist. See: http://www.nuclearplanet.com/advances.html

To deny that coal fly ash particles are toxic and to affirm that geoengineering is harmless is a blatant lie and an attempt to brainwash the public about typical geoengineering pseudoscience. Dr. Marvin Herndon papers and research on geoengineering is progression of the truth.

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« Reply #47 on: 10/04/2016 19:49:38 »

I guess you meant "Why are we poisoning ourselves" ?

What a silly thing to guess.
I meant why are they poisoning themselves.
The drink the same water, eat the same food and breathe the same air.
If we get poisoned, so do they.
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« Reply #48 on: 10/04/2016 19:53:57 »

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IJERPH is a member of the Committee on Publication Ethics (COPE). MDPI takes the responsibility to enforce a rigorous peer-review together with strict ethical policies and standards to ensure to add high quality scientific works to the field of scholarly publication. Unfortunately, cases of plagiarism, data falsification, inappropriate authorship credit, and the like, do arise. MDPI takes such publishing ethics issues very seriously and our editors are trained to proceed in such cases with a zero tolerance policy. To verify the originality of content submitted to our journals, we use CrossCheck (powered by iThenticate) to check submissions against previous publications. MDPI works with Publons to provide reviewers with credit for their work.

MDPI is a reputable peer-reviewed scientific journal and Dr. Marvin Herndon is a senior and internationally recognized scientist. See: http://www.nuclearplanet.com/advances.html

To deny that coal fly ash particles are toxic and to affirm that geoengineering is harmless is a blatant lie and an attempt to brainwash the public about typical geoengineering pseudoscience. Dr. Marvin Herndon papers and research on geoengineering is progression of the truth.


Nobody denies that the stuff is toxic.
But the only people who say it is being used for "geoengineering" in the way you suggest are frittloops.
There is no evidence to support that suggestion.
Re. "MDPI is a reputable peer-reviewed scientific journal "
No it is not. Not if they publish stuff like that.
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« Reply #49 on: 10/04/2016 20:27:20 »
Nobody denies that the stuff is toxic.
But the only people who say it is being used for "geoengineering" in the way you suggest are frittloops.
There is no evidence to support that suggestion.
Re. "MDPI is a reputable peer-reviewed scientific journal "
No it is not. Not if they publish stuff like that.

The true conspiracy theory is the non-sense idea that "contrails, or condensation trails, are "streaks of condensed water vapor created in the air by an airplane or rocket at high altitudes". The clandestine geoengineering hypothesis of Dr. Marvin Herndon at least provide an intelligent explanation to this phenomenon. Thus, I believe either you're being disinformed or you refuse to admit the toxicity of geoengineering, even when confronted to a peer-reviewed scientific study. How could you contribute to a scientific forum if you omit to examine the evidences?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory#Contrails_as_chemtrails
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