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Quote from: mad aetherist on 18/10/2018 14:39:36Quote from: Paradigmer on 18/10/2018 14:15:00Quote from: mad aetherist on 18/10/2018 13:38:40Yes, much of that muon etc stuff is over my head, however there is no such thing as time dilation it is ticking dilation, & that is sufficient to affect the ticking of a muon, hencely might affect lifetime etc -- i daresay that this kind of TD effect is common to every kind of relativity out there not just Einsteinian relativity (not forgetting that in SR & GR nothing is real)(i mean TD LC etc)(all is a clever math-trick).It is indeed ticking dilation at play. You might like to check this out: "Time dilation reviewed with UVS".Thanx for that link, i will read it & the others when i have time. A quick look showed a couple of problems. (1) I notice it refers to the MMX being null. No.The MMX did returned null result. However, neither Albert Michelson nor Edward Morley had ever considered that their experiment had disproved the aether hypothesis; it merely had proven that the postulated static aether does not exist. It was a hatched job of the Einsteinians that have had obfuscated with the null hypothesis to claim that MMX had proven aether does not exist. Quote from: mad aetherist on 18/10/2018 14:39:36(2) It includes some wordage from wiki which as can be expected talks about time dilation instead of ticking dilation, wiki says..........."Those two cited Wiki articles were used as the discussion headers for elaborating with its standard terminologies on the fallacious propositions of the Einsteinian time dilations.Quote from: mad aetherist on 18/10/2018 14:39:36(3) The ticking dilation with altitude is not necessarily due to gravitational potential.IMO, it is due to centripetal acceleration that renders the gravitational potential; geodetic effect.Quote from: mad aetherist on 18/10/2018 14:39:36(4) The Hafele Keating experiment did not confirm gravitational time dilation nor did it confirm gravitational ticking dilation, there was no dilation of any sort, the numbers were cherry picked & fudged, i can give u links.Please provide the links. Tks.Quote from: mad aetherist on 18/10/2018 14:39:36(5) GPS time corrections are only partly gravitational at best, they are at least partly due to the aetherwind (ie the anisotropy of the speed of light), & are not accurately predicted by GR (contrary to Einsteinian claims).Any link to "GPS time corrections are not accurately predicted by GR"? This is contrary to what I believe.
Quote from: Paradigmer on 18/10/2018 14:15:00Quote from: mad aetherist on 18/10/2018 13:38:40Yes, much of that muon etc stuff is over my head, however there is no such thing as time dilation it is ticking dilation, & that is sufficient to affect the ticking of a muon, hencely might affect lifetime etc -- i daresay that this kind of TD effect is common to every kind of relativity out there not just Einsteinian relativity (not forgetting that in SR & GR nothing is real)(i mean TD LC etc)(all is a clever math-trick).It is indeed ticking dilation at play. You might like to check this out: "Time dilation reviewed with UVS".Thanx for that link, i will read it & the others when i have time. A quick look showed a couple of problems. (1) I notice it refers to the MMX being null. No.
Quote from: mad aetherist on 18/10/2018 13:38:40Yes, much of that muon etc stuff is over my head, however there is no such thing as time dilation it is ticking dilation, & that is sufficient to affect the ticking of a muon, hencely might affect lifetime etc -- i daresay that this kind of TD effect is common to every kind of relativity out there not just Einsteinian relativity (not forgetting that in SR & GR nothing is real)(i mean TD LC etc)(all is a clever math-trick).It is indeed ticking dilation at play. You might like to check this out: "Time dilation reviewed with UVS".
Yes, much of that muon etc stuff is over my head, however there is no such thing as time dilation it is ticking dilation, & that is sufficient to affect the ticking of a muon, hencely might affect lifetime etc -- i daresay that this kind of TD effect is common to every kind of relativity out there not just Einsteinian relativity (not forgetting that in SR & GR nothing is real)(i mean TD LC etc)(all is a clever math-trick).
(2) It includes some wordage from wiki which as can be expected talks about time dilation instead of ticking dilation, wiki says..........."
(3) The ticking dilation with altitude is not necessarily due to gravitational potential.
(4) The Hafele Keating experiment did not confirm gravitational time dilation nor did it confirm gravitational ticking dilation, there was no dilation of any sort, the numbers were cherry picked & fudged, i can give u links.
(5) GPS time corrections are only partly gravitational at best, they are at least partly due to the aetherwind (ie the anisotropy of the speed of light), & are not accurately predicted by GR (contrary to Einsteinian claims).
Yes u need to watch out for fake evidence.
Quote from: mad aetherist on 19/10/2018 00:09:30Yes u need to watch out for fake evidence.Such as?
Yousuf Godir asked the Naked Scientists: Do we understand that some scientific phenomenon became a religion dogma for scientist, and hence rationality fades away? For example, Big Bang, gravitation, and heliocentric seem to me not holding their feet on the ground, yet scientist consider it immune. Do you think these theories have strong base?What do you think?
LIGO gravitational waves (harmonics of the calibration signals)..Hafele Keating -- raw data shows was cherry picked & fudged.GPS -- trumpeted as confirming Einstein.Hammar X -- sfarti makes fake comments saying it destroys aether (no it didnt).Roberts -- hit job on Miller MMX.Shankland -- hit job on Miller MMX.BICEP2 -- CMB & gravity waves & bigbang rubbish.COBE & WMAP stuff -- blackbody radiation too good to be true.Shapiro Delay -- fudged.
Quote from: mad aetherist on 19/10/2018 08:30:37LIGO gravitational waves (harmonics of the calibration signals)..Hafele Keating -- raw data shows was cherry picked & fudged.GPS -- trumpeted as confirming Einstein.Hammar X -- sfarti makes fake comments saying it destroys aether (no it didnt).Roberts -- hit job on Miller MMX.Shankland -- hit job on Miller MMX.BICEP2 -- CMB & gravity waves & bigbang rubbish.COBE & WMAP stuff -- blackbody radiation too good to be true.Shapiro Delay -- fudged.How about providing some authoritative source clearly showing that any such data was faked or fudged.
You guys and gals need to think outside the square. We are limited as sentient beings with what we can perceive. If you assume consciousness is above and beyond space and time itself, why not believe in God?
But to some extent the authoritative source is me.
the article proved that neutrinos dont exist. It looked solid to me.
Quote from: mad aetherist on 20/10/2018 04:41:21But to some extent the authoritative source is me.I don't think so. I'm not going to believe one random guy on the Internet over what professional scientists have been publishing for many decades now. You're going to need much more solid evidence than that. My preference is for you to supply the original data from these studies and equipment and then explain why that data is incompatible with relativity or show where the data was faked or fudged.
By the way, please do take note that news articles are not an authoritative source. News articles are only as good as the person who writes them, and such an author who is not familiar with the material may misquote or misunderstand what was originally written.
Quote from: mad aetherist on 20/10/2018 04:41:21the article proved that neutrinos dont exist. It looked solid to me.I sure would like to see that, given that we've designed systems that use neutrinos as a communication medium: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1203.2847.pdf
I'm pretty sure God is not interested in being a politician As telling as my statement should be (and who responds to my posts anyway, right.,.,..too hard basket it seems) is science really needing to use advertising to get funding for the great questions of reality?
No i am a retired engineer, with very little science, & not much math. I like to have an intense interest for a few years & then move on to something new, & at present my main interest is aether (which requires that i try to understand the enemy (Einstein)).I am very impressed & awed with~by the intelligence of scientists, oldendays & modern, & wish that Einsteinism be quickly dumped so that science advances. My heroes are Cahill, Ranzan, Crothers, Demjanov, Michelson, Miller, Sagnac, Ives, Lorentz, Wallace, Builder, Dingle, Arp, VanFlandern, Allais, Esclangon, Munera, & about 20 others.
Quote from: mad aetherist on 16/10/2018 11:16:03No i am a retired engineer, with very little science, & not much math. I like to have an intense interest for a few years & then move on to something new, & at present my main interest is aether (which requires that i try to understand the enemy (Einstein)).I am very impressed & awed with~by the intelligence of scientists, oldendays & modern, & wish that Einsteinism be quickly dumped so that science advances. My heroes are Cahill, Ranzan, Crothers, Demjanov, Michelson, Miller, Sagnac, Ives, Lorentz, Wallace, Builder, Dingle, Arp, VanFlandern, Allais, Esclangon, Munera, & about 20 others.I think this youtube channel has some materials you might find interesting.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT87-DzFFbPkAIk2PRZuz2A
You guys and gals need to think outside the square.We are limited as sentient beings with what we can perceive. If you assume consciousness is above and beyond space and time itself, why not believe in God?
I don't think so. I'm not going to believe one random guy on the Internet over what professional scientists have been publishing for many decades now. You're going to need much more solid evidence than that.
Relativity and Clocks -- Carroll O Alley.Mentions Hafele & Keating & 4 or 5 similar experiments. Plus a number of hill-valley experiments.A NEW INTERPRETATION OF THE HAFELE-KEATING EXPERIMENT -- Domina Eberle Spencer.Hafele & Keating Tests; Did They Prove Anything? -- A. G. Kelly PhD*Critical Reflection on the Hafele and Keating Experiment -- Witold Nawrot
Succesful search for ether drift in a modified michelson morley experiment using the GPS -- Stephan J G Gift.The GPS and the constant velocity of light -- Paul Marmet.Light transmission and the sagnac effect on the rotating earth -- Stephan J G Gift.Another test of the light speed invariance postulate -- Stephan J G Gift.
Rebuttal of arguments published in "studies in history and philosophy of modern physics" claiming that special relativity is "symmetric, physical and consistent" -- J N Percival.
In search of an ether drift -- Ronald R Hatch.Relativity and GPS -- Ronald R Hatch.The global positioning system and the lorentz transformation -- Robert J Buenker.Does the GPS system rely upon Einstein's relativity? -- Barry Springer.
Ok i aint an authoritative source. But re believing me, surely u will look at the quality of what i say.
After all, what i (will) say will be re what professional scientists have been publishing for many decades -- hencely what u are saying is that u will not believe anything i say, but surely u will read what i say (& then if impressed believe, or not).
Re me needing much more solid evidence than that, i havent yet here given any evidence (solid or otherwise).Yes i will give links to articles & some of them will refer to the raw data etc, & in some cases i will have some thorts of my own.
Here is a link to the article i had in mind. I would like an opinion from an expert in this field. I did see where an Einsteinian said that Buechner & Van de Graaf were using the wrong sort of reaction, their reaction would not give neutrinos -- was he correct.http://www.autodynamics.org/calorimetric-experiment/
A 170 tonne detector for a range of 1 km suggests the need for a gazzilion tonne detector at 1000 km.
Am already convinced on sagnac effect that confirms the existence of the ether.
This post by TR Livesey elaborated the past difficulties for the solutions with aether base theory, which give much more complex and often only approximate solutions. Einstein did not denounced aether, he was merely using ToR to provide pragmatic solutions that are less complex and more accurate.