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The "mental delusion" is thinking that time dilation is not real.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 27/09/2019 18:50:50The "mental delusion" is thinking that time dilation is not real.
Because I tell with arguments.
A clock cannot work faster and slower simultaneously.
Quote from: xersanozgen on 29/09/2019 11:40:05A clock cannot work faster and slower simultaneously.It can in different reference frames.
Quote from: xersanozgen on 29/09/2019 11:40:05Because I tell with arguments. You tell us, with badly framed arguments, that time dilation is not real.But we can measure it, so we know it is real.We do not need to study your arguments to find out exactly what mistake you have made.We know you are mistaken.Why would I even bother to look at the picture you cite?I know there's a mistake there somewhere (in the picture or in your understanding) because you say that it shows that time dilation is not real.Reality shows that it is.Reality does not make mistakes.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 29/09/2019 14:24:32Quote from: xersanozgen on 29/09/2019 11:40:05Because I tell with arguments. You tell us, with badly framed arguments, that time dilation is not real.But we can measure it, so we know it is real.We do not need to study your arguments to find out exactly what mistake you have made.We know you are mistaken.Why would I even bother to look at the picture you cite?I know there's a mistake there somewhere (in the picture or in your understanding) because you say that it shows that time dilation is not real.Reality shows that it is.Reality does not make mistakes.OK. Your interpretations; thanks. Nobody gets upset
No. Same train/ same frame.
Quote from: xersanozgen on 29/09/2019 16:11:16No. Same train/ same frame.Anyone on the train is in the same frame as the train, yes (assuming they are sitting down), so they won't observe any kind of time dilation from the train's movement. The only time that the train's time can be measured as dilated would be by someone in a different frame from the train (such as those people at the train station as the train goes by).
So, LCS concept does not conflict with this reality.
However, a person on reference frame will deal with two or very different (for other angles) tempos for the object K' again ; this result is contrary to causality.
Figure 4 :An eye (that is placed at the point P) will see the source (photo-flash) at the other tip of horizontal line not at the point S. When we look at the sky, we see the target object at its position and date of the photons (*) that they begin their travel (**).(*) they are the photons that has came to our eyes.(**) So, LCS concept does not conflict with this reality.
Quote from: xersanozgen on 29/09/2019 19:03:05 So, LCS concept does not conflict with this reality.It does if it doesn't make predictions consistent with the lithium ion experiment. I'm still waiting for you to show those calculations.which calculations?Quote from: xersanozgen on 29/09/2019 19:27:59However, a person on reference frame will deal with two or very different (for other angles) tempos for the object K' again ; this result is contrary to causality.How do you figure?
Yes you are right in accordance with SR mentality
My detailed explanation by that link (Figure 1)https://www.gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Research%20Papers-Relativity%20Theory/Download/6600
Quote from: xersanozgen on 30/09/2019 11:05:54My detailed explanation by that link (Figure 1)https://www.gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Research%20Papers-Relativity%20Theory/Download/66001- I don't understand your argument. Why do you assert that P3 must experience an accelerated rate of time? Actually, saying that its time is accelerated is insufficient. No observer will see their own local time as accelerated or dilated. Only a different observer can see their rate of time flow change. So who is it that is observing this change? Is it K'?2- If you claim there is some kind of causality violation for relativity's prediction, can you construct a thought experiment that can take advantage of that violation in order to create a paradox? For example, could you think of some kind of mechanism where the very light emitted by a source can be used to trigger a secondary mechanism that will prevent the light source from ever being switched on in the first place?
In my opinion is a paradox.
When I examine the theory SR according to LCS concept; I found many paradoxes.
One (A) of twin moves away by high speed from other (B); In accordans with SR mentality, when they meet again, A perceives B younger.
Now, please suppose that they are on a space shuttle. If B has the speed v according to A; Also A has the speed v according to B (reciprocity principle or Newton's action-reaction rule). So, when they meet again, the each one sees the other like same age.
b- Isaac Asimov's example (in his book: Science Guide)Two rockets have parallel ellips orbits; they go opposite directions and resultant speed is high. On every alignment, they will say to each other "your clock has losed two hours (four,six, eight, .... 2n hours). whereas both of clocks must show proper time.
Ignoring experimentally determined fact is not "more clever than Einstein".It's "less clever than a teenager".