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Then there is the nuclear bomb.
Good deeds do not require supernatural justification. The only rational reason to spend time appealing to the supernatural is therefore to justify or excuse evil deeds.
QuoteThen there is the nuclear bomb. without which the Allied invasion of Japan and Japanese-held territories would have been a five-year bloodbath. Indeed that was Plan B if the physics turned out to be wrong. You choose: 150,000 dead and immediate surrender, or 50,000,000 dead and a generation wiped out on both sides?
What is one good example of justifying an evil deed by appealing the the supernatural?
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 02/09/2018 16:49:40What is one good example of justifying an evil deed by appealing the the supernatural?Did you not read the rest of the thread?Slavery, witchburning, the crusades, homophobia, the inquisitions, protecting priests who abuse children, and so on.Practically every evil act that can be done, has been done in the name of "God".
Quote from: Bored chemist on 02/09/2018 18:06:18Quote from: Europan Ocean on 02/09/2018 16:49:40What is one good example of justifying an evil deed by appealing the the supernatural?Did you not read the rest of the thread?Slavery, witchburning, the crusades, homophobia, the inquisitions, protecting priests who abuse children, and so on.Practically every evil act that can be done, has been done in the name of "God".Something seemingly inanimate cannot rebut a perverter of the course of justice. Today people come back at The Bible and Christianity with nothing short of the Christian cultural development, of a sense of justice. Some people are in a sense the grand children of Christians, but they have lost ownership of the light that near death accounts mention. They have lost ownership of the church and Jesus. Some poor representative had kind of double dipped the bread and sauce. I see it as being like two main party politics. And in party one there are some good ideas and some unpalatable, and the second some okay and some unacceptable, and we have to choose between the two. Lose lose, unless we are eclectic and devise our own party or outlook.The Greek orthodox church seems quieter than the Roman Catholic. The latter emerged from a powerful culture of cruelty and laws… The mains the NT was established in it, and the early church example was good. But eventually weaker by persecution, and desperate for it to end an emperor came who made it state religion, the conversion was only partial. Then came popes who reverted to cruel Roman punishments for some judged as false teachers. I call this dark austerity. Paul the apostle forewarned calling them, doctrines of demons.Not all Catholics were bad, some revived the love and grace found in Acts.After the tragic burning of Huss, which PJP2 apologised for, came Martin Luther and the protest to the loss of truth in the Catholic church. Although Martin’s example was still austere. Luther stood for free thought and the conscience. The pope stood for apostolic succession and ex cathedra, infallible teaching. And they disputed over being right by faith or good works.The situation was tense with aggression. Good works, the conscience, grace, money is not Lord, Christ is Lord and his compassionate character is mains, The place called Heaven, free thought came out of Christianity. And despite Christianity because they were infighting, hypocrites, ambitious, lovers of power and wealth, lustful, cold, mere humans. Genuine goodly people suffered. Some of them may have not been either religious or spiritual. Some may not have been able to stay faithful because of the blasphemous example of church leaders. They lost their connection with the light and ownership of the church. But their were saints and later revivalists in Catholicism and among Evangelicals.Later centred in Germany, nation of the conscientious protest came new values plus Nazism. The idea of eugenics and superior race, and removing the impure bred and sickly. If they won WW2 they may have made a form of Christianity that was violent and racist, and no one could get away with disagreeing… But they lost. Some posts in this forum accept Nazism was Christian, that Hitler was Christian and other consider communism succeeded. The new idea is big abortion.So we we can have Christianity or Christian culture. Or throw it away, the bath water, and start afresh without the Christ and his revision of the OT, without the NT, without conscience, love centrality, compassion, justice with mercy… It seems people who throw it away have the love of money and popularity. Sixty one million US abortions are argued to have saved money. I argue that there would be forty million more tax payers, to stoop to lower values.Justifying witch hunts, dislike of homosexuals… in the supernatural, is weak. Because the NT centred Bible, the conscience and conscientious philosophy, a focus and worship of goodness and not money, love as a measure, Christ’s character and the apostles’ and early church example limit the rottenness of human nature and attempted deception. And we have strategies and allies in secular people like Winston Churchill.Hitler and Stalin were not Christians. They could not go far using the Bible.Christians and others are enlightened. Pagan Europe I doubt could manage just with people like Socrates and Mithras to be Enlightened.
Satan is good and never was bad, Satan did not claim to created us for suffering, YOU created us to suffer you horrible being...........you not save naybody.....All times pray , no help ever, it is BS to keep masses quiet , rich mind tricks....keep slave robots,,,,,,,,,,,You dont need money, u have god, crock of sh1t to keep us quiet.......
Quote from: Thebox on 03/09/2018 14:22:27Satan is good and never was bad, Satan did not claim to created us for suffering, YOU created us to suffer you horrible being...........you not save naybody.....All times pray , no help ever, it is BS to keep masses quiet , rich mind tricks....keep slave robots,,,,,,,,,,,You dont need money, u have god, crock of sh1t to keep us quiet.......Money god and hating compassion so claiming Satan exists and is good. Satan promotes murder, adultery, offences, theft... by definition. Satan means adversary, and wants you to blame god for what he did.
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 03/09/2018 15:08:31Quote from: Thebox on 03/09/2018 14:22:27Satan is good and never was bad, Satan did not claim to created us for suffering, YOU created us to suffer you horrible being...........you not save naybody.....All times pray , no help ever, it is BS to keep masses quiet , rich mind tricks....keep slave robots,,,,,,,,,,,You dont need money, u have god, crock of sh1t to keep us quiet.......Money god and hating compassion so claiming Satan exists and is good. Satan promotes murder, adultery, offences, theft... by definition. Satan means adversary, and wants you to blame god for what he did. God created everything, this includes suffering and illness and death. What sort of God would create such a weak species of animal life that feels pain , experiences emotions, souls in torment worrying about others ? I tell you not , not a God who had any decent common sense for sure. Now Eve came first and man is a product of Eve, men are mutations of Eve. Eve is the hive queen ....Now you worried aren't you ? Now let us be honest , there is no white man, there is only wavelength observed as white. Racism is to divide and conquer.....not a real thing of scientific value. The world lies to itself, a higher power of the real holy ghost spirit is guiding my light to wisdom and truths, the truths that you lie ......God was never and religion is all fake and insane ...Added- All religions , either accept that God is infinite nothingness space, or I kill God for good....nothingness infinite space supersedes any thing...
Where did you get the idea from that God created death...? There is the angel of death, who wants people to think God works death, and promotes cynicism and anger to God. God is colour blind. Suffering comes to have a purpose. Sometimes we cannot have fullness of joy without suffering.
If I defend a zygote from abortion,
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 02/09/2018 16:49:40If I defend a zygote from abortion, ...you are condemning a woman to bear a child that she does not want, cannot care for, or possibly is incapable of carrying safely. The unwanted child will be tolerated as a burden at best, and may starve if not cared for by kind atheists like me. Evil in one of its worst forms: imposing your self-anointed and wholly irrational wishes on two people with better things to do. Your arrogance is disgusting. Fortunately your god made such poor job of designing the human body that at least 30% of blastocytes abort spontaneously anyway.
You can be prosecuted for not killing a sick dog, or keeping a laboratory rat alive for longer than absolutely necessary. Alas, due to the repellent arrogance of religious persons, it is illegal to kill a sick human by any humane means, however much he asks for help in this matter. Those who cannot express an opinion are routinely starved and dehydrated to death under the "Liverpool Pathway" or whatever euphemism your local health authority adopts and those who can express an opinion are given enough morphine to ensure that they fade quietly over a long period in total confusion and respiratory failure. Juat another example of sadism justified by reference to spiritual authority.