0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
Sorry, there are at least 11 known phases of solid water (ice), so any extra phases would have to be #13 or so...See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_(data_page)#Phase_diagram
Pollack shows that there are 2 phases of water, H2O & H3O2 (EZ water). Or u can call the EZ water a gell if u like.
Quote from: mad aetherist on 14/02/2019 12:07:53Pollack shows that there are 2 phases of water, H2O & H3O2 (EZ water). Or u can call the EZ water a gell if u like.H3O2 is not water though is it? In the same way as H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide) is not water. The fact that it is promoted by Dr. Mercola should be a clue that it a scam...
Quote from: The Spoon on 14/02/2019 13:17:55Quote from: mad aetherist on 14/02/2019 12:07:53Pollack shows that there are 2 phases of water, H2O & H3O2 (EZ water). Or u can call the EZ water a gell if u like.H3O2 is not water though is it? In the same way as H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide) is not water. The fact that it is promoted by Dr. Mercola should be a clue that it a scam...Yes & no. There is no such thing as H3O2, the molecule is infinite, having a hexagonal planar lattice (see the pix with the youtube link above), with an identical molecule laying parallel & offset a half hexagon in the xx & in the yy. But apparently Pollack found some benefit in giving it that formula to differentiate it from H2O.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagonal_water' the scam takes advantage of the consumer's limited knowledge of chemistry, physics, and physiology' like the dihydrogen monoxide hoax..
There is no such thing as H3O2
Quote from: mad aetherist on 14/02/2019 13:32:48There is no such thing as H3O2So why claim it is a phase of water? An interesting discussion herehttps://chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/5925/ez-water-fraud-or-breakthroughGiving something a catchy sounding, marketing friendly name (EZ Water for example) instantly raises suspicions of a scam.
EZ water is so called because as it forms it pushes non-water out ahead leaving clean water behind
Nextly it shows only one phase of water, so it is krapp.
There might be a scam re health or something (i havnt read it), but that doesnt mean that a hexagonal planar lattice doesnt exist.
Nextly it only shows one phase of vapour, so it is krapp here too.
Quote from: mad aetherist on 14/02/2019 14:05:14EZ water is so called because as it forms it pushes non-water out ahead leaving clean water behindWhat does that even mean? Are you sure you looked at the link?
What a load of PollacksAnd https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pierre-Marie_Robitaille isn't any betterQuote from: mad aetherist on 14/02/2019 12:07:53Nextly it shows only one phase of water, so it is krapp. Learn to count.
Quote from: mad aetherist on 14/02/2019 13:42:09There might be a scam re health or something (i havnt read it), but that doesnt mean that a hexagonal planar lattice doesnt exist.You have that the wrong way round.Because there is no such thing as hexagonal water, we know it is a scam.
Quote from: mad aetherist on 14/02/2019 12:07:53Nextly it only shows one phase of vapor, so it is krapp here too.Unless you can actually show that there's more than 1 vapor phase, you are the one talking crap. So, go on...
Nextly it only shows one phase of vapor, so it is krapp here too.
Yes i should have said only one phase of liquid (& so it is krapp).
I suppose more than 2 phases if u start looking at exotic mixtures with a large range of non-water substances.
, based on the similarity to the known blackness we find with the hex carbon in graphite.
You can't seriously say "they both are black, so they must be the same" on a science page.
Quote from: mad aetherist on 14/02/2019 20:23:06 I suppose more than 2 phases if u start looking at exotic mixtures with a large range of non-water substances.And then it wouldn't be the phase diagram for water.
Quote from: mad aetherist on 14/02/2019 20:23:06, based on the similarity to the known blackness we find with the hex carbon in graphite.You can't seriously say "they both are black, so they must be the same" on a science page.
It is well known that liquid water does form a more highly ordered structure at interfaces with air and hydrophobic materials (this is the source of the hydrophobic effect) http://www1.lsbu.ac.uk/water/interfacial_water.html This ordering is very important for things like nucleation of ice crystals (which doesn't happen easily in pure bulk water), and is also essential to much of biochemistry (much of the interesting chemistry happens between organic molecules that are either solvated with water or sandwiched between water and other organic bits (and the structure of water in and around proteins is quite interesting).That said, anyone claiming that a phase of water can be represented as H3O2 is either ignorant or careless. No matter the arrangement, it must have the same empirical formula to be the same substance (I would be ok with H3O1.5, or H4O2, as long as there is good reason to specify the formula other than H2O)I haven't watched the video or followed any of the links, so I cannot comment on the rest.EDIT: There is a another option for the discrepancy--you haven't reported it properly! Dr. Pollack could be modeling EZ water as (H+)(H3O2–), which is reasonable.