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Evidence. Three types. Scientific, legal and anecdotal. Let us take hydroxyquinone against Covid-19At the moment science says it does not know. Anecdotes say it seems to work.There is a book called "The Case for Christ" by Lee Stroebel which deals with the evidence for Christ as if it were a legal matter to prove. He says legally anyone would win a legal case based on the evidence considered admissible.
Jesus, help this doctor and her husband who are suffering. I pray they would look to you and find in you the glory and wonder of your love.
Quote from: CliveG on 07/04/2020 07:28:57Evidence. Three types. Scientific, legal and anecdotal. Let us take hydroxyquinone against Covid-19At the moment science says it does not know. Anecdotes say it seems to work.There is a book called "The Case for Christ" by Lee Stroebel which deals with the evidence for Christ as if it were a legal matter to prove. He says legally anyone would win a legal case based on the evidence considered admissible."duffyd You want everyone else to believe in something you were told was true. Without any evidence. Because the grown ups that taught you that were the ones you thought you could trust implicitly."
Quote from: CliveG on 07/04/2020 17:41:22"Inconsistent effects" is not "no effects".It means there are multiple mechanism at play. After all, we are dealing with tiny effects in a human body."inconsistent effects" is exactly what you get when there's no real effect."After all, we are dealing with tiny effects "Or none.Quote from: CliveG on 08/04/2020 08:16:59It cannot be faith in God.Well spotted.
"Inconsistent effects" is not "no effects".It means there are multiple mechanism at play. After all, we are dealing with tiny effects in a human body.
It cannot be faith in God.
Quote from: duffyd on 07/04/2020 13:18:08Bruce Metzger, considered the greatest textual critic of the 20th century said the most confirmed piece of ancient history is that the apostles were certain Christ rose from the dead. Pity we don't have any first-hand accounts of their discovery, then.I always assumed that if you can roll a stone in front of a tomb, someone else can roll it away again. That's how we physicists work with engineers. And in the slightly weird world of medical physics, we are quite used to moving dead bodies from A to B, for all sorts of reasons. Not that it matters much. J Arthur Findlay (The Rock of Truth) lists 13 other crucified saviour gods, born of virgins, who rose from the dead. I mentioned this to my excellent RE teacher, back in my schooldays. He replied "Indeed, but I'm only paid to teach you about one of them." Good bloke - used to conduct weddings on Saturday morning and referee rugby in the afternoon.
Bruce Metzger, considered the greatest textual critic of the 20th century said the most confirmed piece of ancient history is that the apostles were certain Christ rose from the dead.
As I've mentioned before, I would love to debate these matters with those who want a true, honest, fair debate and not a bunch of B.S.
Metzger wrote in no uncertain terms, "The evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ is overwhelming. Nothing in history is more certain than that the disciples believed that, after being crucified, dead, and buried, Christ rose again from the tomb on the third day, and that at intervals thereafter he met and conversed with them.”
Quote from: duffyd on 07/04/2020 13:18:08 considered the greatest textual critic of the 20th centuryBy whomQuote from: duffyd on 07/04/2020 13:18:08confirmed piece of ancient history is that the apostles were certain Christ rose from the dead.That seems unlikely.Is it, for example, as well confirmed as the fact that Nero was an emperor?To tick that box it would need to be stamped onto all the coins of the era.Is the Apostles' opinion really that well confirmed?Even if it was; so what?The question isn't about their belief, but about the fact.And even if (this is now piling three levels of "what if" on top of eachother) he lived on after the crucifixion, couldn't it just be that the Romans botched an execution?But seriously, did you actually believe the bit about " the most confirmed piece of ancient history "?Because if you did, it just shows a lack of clear thinking.
considered the greatest textual critic of the 20th century
confirmed piece of ancient history is that the apostles were certain Christ rose from the dead.
In Jewish law, it was punishable by death to get on somebody's nerves, correct?
Quote from: duffyd on 08/04/2020 04:12:26 In Jewish law, it was punishable by death to get on somebody's nerves, correct? No. No occupying power has ever ceded the death sentence to its subjects. Crucifixion was a Roman execution - the only permitted biblical method is stoning. You should study the bible.
Practically everything we need to know is wrapped up in this brilliant statement by Professor Metzger, Ehrman's reason for attending Princeton Theological Seminary. "The evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ is overwhelming. Nothing in history is more certain than that the disciples believed that, after being crucified, dead, and buried, Christ rose again from the tomb on the third day, and that at intervals thereafter he met and conversed with them.”